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i have heard many good things about bt ravens. they're not too long, and will probably suit you. what kind of riding do you want to do? They'd be better suited to urban than natural (i think)
 

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evileye, first and formost you should state if you are talking about the Pure (stock) or Team (mod).

Depends on your ridding style. long for more UCI comp style. Short for more casual street style.

I thought the raven4.0 was like 1095! of course that depends on the fork but I'm quite sure its between 1080-1095mm
 

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sorry m8 im taking about the pure and i normally ride street.If i got the raven i would be putting on my orange forks on .Still cant decide which one echo raven echo raven haaaaaaaaaaaaa
sorry for my little outburst :joshers:
 

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I'll help you out... Echo.
You cant get a BTraven right now, I beleive the expected wait is over two monthes, but that might be outdated infomation

EDIT: a month and a half til RomanC gets em
 

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I am 6'3" and I currently ride a Monty 221 Xlite mod!!! lol, thats why I am looking for an echo team long or Koxx LB 20 long. But when I get a stock it will be a Pure 1080, i should get a LB 1100 probobly, but i want a seat on a stock bike.

BTW, how can someone from usa get a bt raven, ive heard little of them, never seen them for sale anywhere.

Oh yeah, I just realized that at www.thetrialsinshop.com all of their prices are in Canadian dollars. I feel stupid, i always thought they were just pricey or somthing, lol.
 

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lol!! i would get a echo short, im 5 10 and have a 1060 wheelbase, 2 cm isnt going to make a HUGE difference IMO
The extra length will be better for him, if he is riding UCI style.

The BT is like $375 + shipping when it hits USA. I would wait for that, that is a KILLER KILLER deal. I believe the WB is 1085?
 

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Oh yeah, I just realized that at www.thetrialsinshop.com all of their prices are in Canadian dollars. I feel stupid, i always thought they were just pricey or somthing, lol.

I don't suppose the GIANT maple leaf clued you in, did it?
 

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I know this has been asked before, but I can't find it anywhere. What is different about uci style anyways?? All i know is longer bikes are better for uci, why? what is uci?

BTW, If I get an Echo team long will the 2mm difference between the koxx lb long make ANY difference? (im 6'3", so i thought i would want the koxx, which is the longest mod,.... but team is cheaper and only 2mm shorter)
 

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lets put it this way, between your grips, bar,stem,frame,fork, hub, rim, tire, you will get far more than 2mm flex. heck, the tire&tube alone could give you over 10mm.

Even if the two bikes had all the exact same components on them you couldnt tell the diff because of small things like PSI, headset spacers, bar angle.

No, the 2mm will not make a valid difference at all.
 

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Ok, so the length of the team is no different than lb 20. What about the rest of the geometry? The chainstays on the team are a little longer than lb20. (team:363mm--lb20:350mm) Will that 13mm difference in chainstays make one feel/ride better?

has anyone ridden both of them?
 
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