Upgrading, woth it?

Discussion in 'Beginner's Area' started by Hrob27, May 6, 2010.

  1. Hrob27

    Hrob27 New Member

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    Hey Thanks for the help starting me off still practicing balance:)

    right at the moment i have a stock onza t-rex, i have come across some australian bike trials wet sites, they have some pretty cheap frames with free postage, i'm really loving trials and i think i should be learning on a more trials specific geos, (this a good idea?)
    The frames i was looking at are at

    http://www.trialsden.com/index.php/products/frames/26-frames.html
    Any stand outs? Even worth doing? Or do i shoot up to a complete new build?
    (i know that most my parts wont transfer to a new frame)
     
  2. pav

    pav New Member

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    YES!!

    From what I know Onza's are ok to start on but something more specialised wout be alot better.

    Will at trialsden has some awesome stuff. I have ridden a complete Dob Nova and Neon Bow he has built up. Both felt good, the Neon was one of the best bikes I've ridden and only $450 on there at the moment!!

    Rockman Slate 2's are going to be unreal, but maybe not so good to learn on because they are really light and won't like dents too much though.

    Anyway, speak to Will at trialsden and he can discuss it with you, he's really good with things like this!

    Do you know what frames you like? Are you tall/short? Do you want to stick with stock (they're better so you know you want to)?

    I definately think to upgrade though. Bike geometry is the biggest factor in how good your bike is. If you put pro parts on shit geo, the bike would still be shit. But if you put crap parts on pro geo, it would still be aweosme.
     

  3. Ogre

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    the onza is a trials specific geo.... you could invest in some decent brake pads, an angle grinder and a hub/freewheel with better engagements
     
  4. 7185

    7185 Guest

    I agree with Ogre. You're still learning the basics, right now the main thing holding you back is your skill level. Save your money and ride your current bike. When the frame starts holding you back, you'll know.
     
  5. eaterofdog

    eaterofdog Two dollars... cash

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    my vote
     
  6. Blackstick

    Blackstick Well-Known Member

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    If you have the money there is no harm in upgrading.

    Just keep riding and you'll know when you need new stuff.
     
  7. NateE

    NateE wtflol

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    I know if I could afford it, I'd upgrade whenever I could, or be like netto and always have a new bike, hahaha.

    but like Rush said, if you can swing it, do it, but in all reality, you probably don't need it just yet.
     
  8. Skoze

    Skoze New Member

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    As has been said, the frame itself will do you fine for a very long time - upgrade the little things that make the biggest difference! Onza forks weigh an absolute tonne, swap them for something lighter and you'll notice a huge difference in the way the bike rides. Likewise, get a better bar and stem that suits you; make it your bike and it'll help you out no end.
     
  9. Hrob27

    Hrob27 New Member

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    [​IMG]Well this is my bike atm (getting another set on TNN pads for rear)

    22-18
    150mm rear hub spacing
    0 bb rise


    I have grinded my rims running better pads and i have some money burning holes in my pockets, where should i go from here upgrade wise? thinking a ddg hub wont be good enough when i get to dropping, and sugestions? King Because?
     
  10. Skoze

    Skoze New Member

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    That looks pretty awesome! You seem fairly set, really - change the hub to a Hope Pro2 Trials unless you've got the cash for a King. I loved my King to pieces, but the Hope's work just as well for a third of the price.
     
  11. pav

    pav New Member

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    Actually true, if bike not holding you back, don't upgrade. Your best things to upgrade would be things to change the feel a little, like bar and stem setup. If you wanted to go lighter, there would be no point with that geo because it would still ride heavy.

    I have a king for sale at the moment but if your frame spacing is 150mm then it won't work! It's 135 on the king, unless I read your post wrong?
     
  12. stpatr3k

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    I'd tweak the geo first to my riding, spending time on adjusting to find if it indeed suits (you) or there could be a better combination (free). IE bars sweep, stem angle (spacer) etc.

    After that I'd first go to get more reliable parts IE better drive train then go to move on by making it a lighter setup IE smaller ratio (threaded cranks saves a lot of weight for example) then change the frame depends on how much its burning

    I'd doubt thats 150 mm spacing :dunno:
     
  13. Hrob27

    Hrob27 New Member

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    thanks st patrick i decided to go measure it myself instead of reading off some guys post and it is infact 135, opening up quite a few more options for parts.

    pretty set on getting a new hub 32 hole hope or king one and a new set of forks nerver realised mine weigh 1.35kgs!
     
  14. mtnbikerfred

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    I've kinda been going down this path myself. I got a good bike. It didn't come with good brakes, so I put HS33's on it that I got for free. Changed the rear tire (it came with it an extra RQ). I changed the bars (for ones I had in my shed). The first time I rode rocks, I bent the shit out of the tensioner, so I bought a Yess for durability and performance. I ordered some old school Maggie Mounts from brycer1968 (cheap) that don't use the spherical bushings, and an Adamant 4 bolt booster. Most of the changes were are out of necessity. Anything else has to bring a measured improvement to MY ability, like CNC'd backing plates for the brake pads. The next thing might be a slighty blingy lighter front wheel and lighter front tire. I'm trying not to get into the $100 at a time habit of upgraditus....
     
  15. will4eva7k

    will4eva7k TrialsDEN.com

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    Hey Hrob

    Upgrades are always really awesome! However, at the same time, they may also be unnecessary at that point in time.

    The Onza frame is quite a nice frame to start riding on. It's much better than most frames and bikes of us riders had when we first started back in the day.

    The T-Rex should suit you well as your level of riding increases. You can always upgrade a frame anytime. But if the piggy bank doesnt like being touched, as others mentioned above, when the time for a frame change comes, or if you're tall and the frame makes you feel cramped.- you will know it.

    Playing around with your bike setup is the best way to change the overall feel and how it rides - it doesn't cost anything other than a few minutes with a hex key in your hand :drool:

    What mtnbikerfred said it very true indeed. Small upgrades can do so much to the bike. You'd be amazed how much of a difference can be made with simple minor upgrades such as
    - brakes or brake pads
    - bar/stem
    - tyres
    - freewheel/rear hub - if you're considering a king - definitely talk to pav. i also have a king i may sell

    Hope you may find some value in this post.

    There are still lots of items that are yet to put added to our product catalogue on www.trialsden.com.

    If you do require anything from TrialsDEN, or have any queries, you know where to find me :bigthumb:.

    - Will
     
    Last edited: May 12, 2010
  16. Hrob27

    Hrob27 New Member

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    Seems a good idea to play around with headsets bars and spacers, etc but they cut the top of my fork really short, so ill have to wait for that new mist fork:drool:.
    Grinded rims (x)
    New pads alloy packings (x)
    Higher headset (x)
    brake booster(x)
    new hub ( )
    and i know my tires and wheels weigh a tonne, so looks like a comple wheel build, yeah be saving for a nice hope II trails:)
     
  17. will4eva7k

    will4eva7k TrialsDEN.com

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    The MIST forks are arriving soon, very soon :)

    The Hope 2 trials is a good hub, but consider saving up a little bit more and going front freewheel.

    Most of the modern frames are designed to work with an 18t front freewheel/cog.

    So later down the track, if you upgrade your frame, you'll already have everything you need to build up the new frame.
     
  18. Hrob27

    Hrob27 New Member

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    Front Freewheel eh? just out of interest how much mould it cost to do that, cause checked my hub and its screweeeed.

    lets see i would need
    rim 26" 32hole
    Singlespeed rear hub
    new bb
    spokes
    new cranks
    bashguard
    sproket and cogs....

    Sounds pricey
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2010
  19. niwlen

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    It might seem pricey BUT these 'up to date' parts can be transfered over to any recent / common trials frame. :) I would go for the echo 108 freewheel if i were u, good investment.
     
  20. Hrob27

    Hrob27 New Member

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    point but to buy inavidually probably would cost as much as a new setup?