Fuckin im over having fuck all real choice in trials frames without goin custom! EVERYTHING is long! Ok so here goes the shit options Echo/Zoo, the only decent short frame out of these is a Boa, i dont really like the pures, but still i would rather a slacker head angle on the boa but with the same wheel base. Koxx - overrated and over priced shit thats made in a factory next door to echo/zoo. fuck that. BT - One model, the best long frame ive ridden may i add, but still, long... PX - sure they make a short frame, but PX the company suck big diseased COCK and should be executed milkman style! Brisa - Brisa.... Coustellier - One model, overpriced, looks too much like my Pitbull, Long. Basically alll im after is a 1055-1065 frame with a 71-72 degree head angle.... At the moment the only option for that is to go Koxx or custom. id rather go custom... Yes im having a bitch, but im 5'10" and just dont feel comfy on my pitbull..... sure i can ride it, but just dont enjoy it as much as a shorter bike. Main reason this has come up is because a freind of mine Adam Kelly Fucking kicks ass and i would say is in the top 5 of Aussie riders, rides a Zoo Boa with pretty shit vees, hope hub, riser bars and still rides unbelievably well and IS THE SMOOTHEST rider in OZ, no one who has seen him ride will argue against that. So basically this has shown me that im kidding myself if i think my longer frame is going to help me become a better rider when really i need a frame that suits ME best to get the best out of me... Ive had a few beers and just wanna see if theres anyone else out there with the same frustration as me. I know and totally believe its the rider not that frame, but it does help to have a frame better suited to YOU. Sorry for the long post. Peace p.s. may i also add, i dont like koxx because they started this bullshit long frames uci fashion bullshit.