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I'm asking you what should be the best frame design...If you were designer or if you could get a custom frame...
What will it be looking like, what will be the geo, where you gonna put some gussets, what will be the wheels dimensions...

My ideal frame is gonna get the geo of a koxx levelboss short,1040wb,385mm chainstays, -5mm bb drop,same headtube angles.... with 24 wheels to get the best feeling...
I want a seattube and the color should be black or red.
 

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oh wait a minute, if i dont clear it up, i will get called a bad name.

depends on what you are doing. i like to think of myself as a UCI-style rider... so the XTP i think is the epitome of that flava...or the new desalvo if you are of a V-persuasion.

if you like urban or whatever, and you like seats... i guess its just a matter of your style of riding.

one more fucking thing, the "coustellier" or wtfever is supposed to be nice too... :rofl:
 

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I wish 24" wheels could be given more consideration.
I know a few people have built their own or had it done custom just because, and of course the Ed Tongue thing but I dont see it going mainstream.

Why not, rules I guess. Like 6 gears, who needs that many?

Mod+XTP= funky 24", long wb, UCI style superbike. Or a total mess, I dont know but Id like to try it.

Elan, look at that Cous, how could you want an XTP over that? :slap:
 

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Alright, here is the best realistic ride ever!

1085 WB, 380mm CS, 72 deg HA, +5mm BB, 73mm BB shell
Ultra burly disc mounts for hardcore rear disc use
26" wheels, ultra low standover height (like the cous), no seat, no need for brake booster at all!
Special crossover protector so you can actually sit for a little rest
Super duper integrated headset - completely rebuildable and replacable
Super duper integrated BB, completely rebuildable with easily replacable spindle (different types & sizes)
All-in-all 5.0 pounds with CNC'd BB/Chainstay yoke, seatstay yoke, headtube, dropouts.
Not sure about the material, but probably some really fancy steel varient...
A faded metallic blue color, $300 so we can all aford one :bigthumb:

now that I've said it, sounds a lot like a cross between the long XTP and a Pitbull. I think the only thing unrealistic about it is the Price, but the rest can be done with the right material!

I'm still trying to think of some crazy brake system that would rock every trials riders world! but until then 4-bolt maggie mounts will do.

I think thats it, what do you think?
 

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Ultra burly disc mounts for hardcore rear disc use- gay


Super duper integrated headset - why? what is wrong with a king?
Super duper integrated BB- sounds like a lot of weight and a higher retail.


... fancy steel varient... - i like aluminum just fine.
$300 - yea fucking right.

can be done with the right material- legos?

but until then 4-bolt maggie mounts will do. - whats wrong with maguras as of now?

I think thats it, what do you think? - i think its stupid
 

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Bloodhound said:
Alright, here is the best realistic ride ever!
Super duper integrated headset - completely rebuildable and replacable
Super duper integrated BB, completely rebuildable with easily replacable
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Why would you want integrated anything? Integrated is gay. One more thing to screw up and ruin your frame. :p


This is the perfect ride (probably won't work):
 

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Bloodhound said:
whats wrong with you guys, its not normal shitty integrated, super duper high end and everything is completely rebuildable and replacable, why not!?
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oh yes, as andrew said. just ride your gay, seatless bikes. it doesnt really matter. i am about to buy a coustellier or an XTP, and i fucking suck. i should probably deserve to have my ass kicked when i get one also.

ok, i have to edit this, so i dont get Gayitis. i am not getting anything for at least 4 months, and i doubt it will cost over $600 when i do. but the point is still valid.
 

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Bloodhound said:
whats wrong with you guys, its not normal shitty integrated, super duper high end and everything is completely rebuildable and replacable, why not!?

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With that being said, WHY in the HELL would you want anything integrated? If you break that one thing you have to replace the entire frame. Don't say "but it's all rebuildable", because the fact of the matter is that those integrated parts are held there by the frame, and if you put too much force on those parts sitting in the frame you're going to screw up the frame that holds them in place. If you "oblong" out the headtube with those integrated parts, those replaceable parts won't even fix the problem. If you take the stress and put it on a headset that doesn't sit inside the headtube, if you overstress this headset you just replace the $15 headset, not the entire frame. Of course, you could spend $100 and get a king and never worry about it again. I don't see the "advantages" of integrated anything coming anywhere close to outweighing the disadvantages. If people keep asking for integrated shit, shit companies will keep giving it to us. Thanks Megamo!

Bill
 
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