Steering stem height for Simtra ST1

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DirtyEd

Discussion Starter · Jul 19, 2021

I ride a Simtra ST1 and when attempting to lift the front wheel feel there is too much effort to lift the front of the bike. Im not sure if this is due to bad technique or the handlebar being too low or being too high or too far forward. I am not sure what if anything needs to be adjusted. Your thoughts are appreciated. I don't know what the dimensions of the handlebar riser are but here is a photo.

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De_Nada

· #2 · Jul 19, 2021

Looks fine to me, pretty similar to my setup. You've got the Simtra 115/15 stem and those look like Trialtech high rise bars? I've run that stem before with the low rise Trialtech bar and felt great. Currently running a 110/10 with the high rise bar and that also feels great. Trials bikes are typically longer and lower than "regular" bikes so a short quick punch on the pedal can be helpful to lift the front wheel. Post a video clip of yourself lifting the front. There's still a few active members here.

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DirtyEd

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jul 20, 2021

Thanks. You are correct the handlebar is a trail tech high bend. I have seen a video on here of another ST1 rider using a setup that is lower than yours so I believe my setup is close enough to not be of concern. I too am a beginner with some previous trials riding experience. I will work on my technique. I can post a video but it will be awhile before I can get it done. This site used to have a lot of traffic. What happened?

DirtyEd

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jul 20, 2021

I went back and looked at the video again and noticed that you made the video that I watched. Your beginner is more advanced than my beginner. I don't to adjust anything I need to practice.

tda

· #5 · Jul 20, 2021

DirtyEd said:
Thanks. You are correct the handlebar is a trail tech high bend. I have seen a video on here of another ST1 rider using a setup that is lower than yours so I believe my setup is close enough to not be of concern. I too am a beginner with some previous trials riding experience. I will work on my technique. I can post a video but it will be awhile before I can get it done. This site used to have a lot of traffic. What happened?

the site went from our friends who started it because of the censorship on another forum, this was a free place for minds. Now it is owned by a weird conglomerate that shares nutjuice with turkey caling and it censors classic words like f a g g o t , turning itself into full ****** life. Unfortunately instagram and facebook probably make simple humans minds happier... “pretty pictures ! durrrrf”

But not to worry, that stem is fine... You can make it gonup easier w a 90x 30 deg stem- but it is always a trade off... later on a short and high stem will limit you on the amount of leverage you can generate for gaps- also makes hooks and moves where the front wheel is very high quite difficult...

trials has moved into a new world, watch jack carthy or charlie rolls- all the riding would be impossible on an old bike with old parts. The average human could never jump on their bikes and ride them around. Even trials riders find them odd... try putting a 160x17 on there !

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DirtyEd

Discussion Starter · #6 · Jul 20, 2021 (Edited)

Well that makes sense. Used to be the admins seemed to mostly have no concern for what was said or posted and there were a lot of posters kicking the crap outta each other or anybody that posted. Things have a way of changing. My account was closed long ago for not using it. Thanks for the trials bike info. That info is very helpful to understanding how my bike works. I was thinking higher and shorter might help. It is doubtful I will ever ride the way De Nada rides in his video. Smaller stuff maybe. I leave it alone and learn to ride it.

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De_Nada

· #7 · Jul 20, 2021

I've never posted video of myself. You must be thinking of the James Barton video I posted recently - Dirt Jumper VS Trials Bike. James is a beast who has been riding at the elite level for a couple decades. He mentioned that his Simtra is setup with Deity riser bar and 90*7 stem, much lower and shorter than ours. Goes to show the cockpit setup doesn't matter much for just getting onto the back wheel. For doing more advanced stuff it may matter but I'm not there yet.

Regarding the forum. A lot has happened. This place is a shell of its former self. It will never be what it used to be, but a small number are posting lately and trying to breathe a little life back.

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tda

· #8 · Jul 20, 2021

De_Nada said:
I've never posted video of myself. You must be thinking of the James Barton video I posted recently - Dirt Jumper VS Trials Bike. James is a beast who has been riding at the elite level for a couple decades. He mentioned that his Simtra is setup with Deity riser bar and 90*7 stem, much lower and shorter than ours. Goes to show the cockpit setup doesn't matter much for just getting onto the back wheel. For doing more advanced stuff it may matter but I'm not there yet.

Regarding the forum. A lot has happened. This place is a shell of its former self. It will never be what it used to be, but a small number are posting lately and trying to breathe a little life back.

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De_Nada

· #9 · Jul 20, 2021

I've got $20 on Rush's airfare.

tda

· #10 · Jul 21, 2021

De_Nada said:
I've got $20 on Rush's airfare.

I heard he needs some nudging on instagram to roll over to this bubbling cauldron of youth, power and trials.

De_Nada

· #11 · Oct 8, 2021

Rolled my bars forward a bit. Feels more stable on the back wheel with no noticeable downside. Still rolls up things like a bicycle. Still likes a little pedal punch to get the front up. I think I'm gapping just a little more than a wheelbase now.

How's it going @DirtyEd ? I've got a trialtech stem that I think is 150x35 if you feel like you need some extra cockpit height.

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tda

· #12 · Oct 9, 2021

that looks pretty fire comfortable for all around riding, the pogo boys have crazy shit goin on and street pulls it back. My knees hurt looking at that steerer !!!

De_Nada

· #13 · Oct 9, 2021

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De_Nada

· #14 · Dec 7, 2021

The setup above felt good to ride but was giving me some bad pain afterward. Shoulder blade and neck stuff.

The Thomson was 110*10 with 20mm spacers underneath.

Now I've got a Trialtech 120*17 with 5mm underneath. This gives me 6mm more reach and 3mm more height. I left 10mm of spacers on top in case I still need to dial it in.

So far I've only played around for about 5min and I know I want to roll the bars forward just slightly before I get on it again.

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De_Nada

· #15 · Dec 23, 2021

Rolled the bars forward a bit and rode today. Some upper back / shoulder blade pain again. I'll try putting another 2.5mm spacer under the stem before my next ride.

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tda

· #16 · Dec 26, 2021

def throw all spaces under stem... id pull your levers closer to parallel w ground but not quite, roll it back for comfort, roll it forward for leverage/larger static moves.

De_Nada

· #17 · Dec 26, 2021

Ended up tilting the bars forward a tiny bit and pushed the levers just slightly more vertical. stacked all the spacers on top of the stem. Rode for about an hour with zero pain anywhere so I think I've found the sweet spot. Couple more rides to be sure then time to remove that 15mm boner above the stem.

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