Rear wheel hop mechanics rolling vs. stopped

Discussion in 'Beginner's Area' started by DanGT86, May 16, 2020.

  1. DanGT86

    DanGT86 New Member

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    I've been trying off and on for years to learn trials basics from the internet. I haven't found any riders locally. I figured I would ask here about some very basic stuff regarding rear wheel moves and bunny hops to see if I'm on the right track. Hopefully I can explain my question clear enough. Basically what I want to know is:

    • Is it easier to hop vertically from a roll or from the rear wheel with a pedal kick?
    • Is balancing on the rear wheel first then hopping any different (better or worse) than pulling the front wheel up and hopping in one smooth motion (american bunny hop)?

    Being new to trials I was obsessed with doing everything from the rear wheel. It looks cool and to the untrained eye seems like the key to the entire thing. So I practiced to the point where I can balance on the rear wheel for a few successive hops enough to feel like its not just luck. I can leverage the drivetrain for a pedal kick and most of the time hop a lot higher from that position then just a normal bunny hop.

    I soon noticed that from a roll when there is no drivetrain to push on I had no hop. I was just muscling the bike up all clumsily with basically my arms. I felt like I was trying to jump off of thin air. I found myself slowing down or stopping in front of things just so I could punch the pedals to get up or over them. That seems wrong to me. As I got a little better at manuals I noticed that my vertical hop from a roll was getting higher. It makes sense to me that once on the rear wheel you can get the bike pretty high since you are already standing a few feet up. So now when I am rolling at speed faster than I can pedal I feel like I am getting into a manual and just jumping from there. My highest hops seem to be when I have a long manual before the hop.

    So now I am wondering if there is some advantage to pulling up to the rear wheel and jumping in one smooth motion or is it ok to break it into two distinct steps being rear wheel balance first then jump from there?

    Sorry if that description sucks. I wish I had other riders to watch up close or just give me some pointers in person.
     
  2. Swoofty

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    They are two different skills; a static pedal kick and a rolling pedal kick. Starting from the rear wheel is easier because you don't have to use extra energy to bring up the front end. On a static kick, you start with good foot forward. On a rolling kick you start bad foot forward and do a half crank turn to match/get up to speed before the kick. Rolling allows you to go higher and gap further. Check out trashzen or ryan leech's Art of Mastering trials.
     

  3. DanGT86

    DanGT86 New Member

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    Thanks

    Makes sense. It hadn't occurred to me to start with the other foot to get some pedal speed. I was kinda feeling like the issue was with rolling speed above my possible cadence. That may not be the case though with the extra rotation of the other foot forward.

    As for pulling the bars vs just jumping from a manual, I am guessing there is an advantage to levering the front end up and jumping all in one motion rather than just jumping up from the rear wheel. Is that correct? Seems like when people do big side hops or gaps they start on the rear then drop the front as low as possible and lever it all up at the same time. My balance isn't good enough to allow me to try a variety of different timing like that.

    Trashzen and AoMT were both helpful but its nice to have the question answer feedback from a forum.
     
  4. Swoofty

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    I can't manual so I can't help you there. Apparently i'm just incapable of doing them :-(
     
  5. DanGT86

    DanGT86 New Member

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    Dont feel too bad. I'm using the term manual pretty loosely here. What I'm trying to say is that my most successful bunnyhops definitely have a big delay between pulling the bars up and jumping off the ground. That delay is what I'm calling a manual in this case. Maybe its 1 sec or so but I have to totally balance on the rear wheel first then jump. It seems weird because most people appear to just pull up from the ground and jump all in one motion.

    My actual sustained manual is pretty weak too. I find this whole learning process fascinating. For instance I can ride an actual unicycle all day but I cant ride a wheelie on a bike worth a crap. I would have figured the bike would be way easier.
     
  6. Swoofty

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    Here's a great bunny tutorial. The 'ah ha' moment for me was at about 1:30. I've got a really good bunny (J hop or American bunny to be exact), but I'd never thought about it like he says.