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I don't know if this is a fair assessment of all or some of what's popular in the UK since I can only see it via videos, and I know within the US, trail design varies regionally due to both land availability and geology, but if a person travels enough within the US, there's a variety of riding styles and bikes that tracks what works locally.
Outside of bike parks and trail centres, almost all the media you'll see of people riding in the UK are riding on "unauthorised trails". As an example, the area I live in is on the bottom edge of what's known as "The Valleys", and as you'd expect it means there's a lot of prime hillside to be digging in. This area also has a lot of forestry managed by Natural Resources Wales (NRW) who are effectively the stewards of the outdoors in Wales. Within a 20-30min ride from my front door I could get to 7-8 different spots (I believe the fashionable term is "zones"?), all created and and maintained by different groups, none of which has authorisation to be there. These vary from rut tracks through to bike park style runs that are arguably better than the actual bike parks near me. In the rest of the UK it does vary a lot simply because the geology of the UK is very different from one area to the next - we have short, steep, tight, tech rooty trails for the most part here, whereas if you went to the Lake District it's bigger mountains with longer trails that are all fairly rocky. There's everything in-between.

There is definitely tension between different user groups, but I think most long-lasting trails tend to be built with those in mind, and typically won't feature high speed crossing of walking paths, will usually be a bit more tucked away and so on. NRW only really seem to step in when people build actual wooden features on trails, which was something that became a lot more common in lockdown. I think there's generally an acceptance from NRW and their equivalent body in England to generally turn a blind eye to trails, but if things start getting obviously constructed/built then they step in as I think the concern about liability if someone fucks themselves on a shonky pallet ladder bridge goes up. I believe Scotland has a different setup as they have a totally different setup as far as land usage goes to the rest of Great Britain. Scotland has what's called the "Right to Roam" which means:
"Landowners are under an obligation to ensure that the public are able to exercise their right to roam over the land that they own and are prohibited from obstructing or discouraging others from exercising their right to access. They must use and manage their land in a responsible way, having regard to the rights of the public."

I think for that reason there tends to be more of a push for legal or authorised trails up there - it seems that way from down here, anyway, as they have more trail associations and more trail advocacy going on up there compared to down here. In my local area, felling work by NRW has threatened a lot of spots so a few of the local digging groups have become more 'official' to work with NRW and the logging companies to try and carry out works in a way that minimises damage to the trail networks. Tourism is still a pretty big thing down here, and they actively use mountain biking as an advertising tool, so I think it's in their interests to not totally fuck the trails. They even legalised an unauthorised trail network about 20mins from me that came to light when the main digger there crashed and died while riding them. Everyone thought they'd shut them down, but they ended up coming to an agreement with the dig group there and made it into an 'official' spot. It's in this video from about the mid-point onward when it gets a bit more bike parky. The trails before that are all unauthorised ones.


As for riding wet trails, that's just the reality here. We get rain on average just over 1 in every 3 days throughout the year, so if we waited for the trails to dry out we'd probably get about one 3 week window to ride per year. It means that more maintenance is required and overall there will be more erosion, but that's just the way it is. It's the same way footpaths and walking tracks tend to be a bit more manicured in most places here than I've found elsewhere on my travels, simply because use + shit weather = more work required.
 

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And we get much more rain than you do, you should see the people on facebook fighting about it- around here they beyond frown upon wet riding, going into rants about how they are destroying the trail.

Areas of pisgah get over 100 inches of rain a year, londons yearly average is 24 inches…


That freedom to roam thing is awesome. Some countries you cannot buy land on the ocean, its for everyone… then you go to socal and see what capitalism beleives.
 

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The riding in the wet thing has just as much to do with soil type as anything else. In my area we're lucky that we don't get a lot of rain because our soil wouldn't cope with just the rain, let alone people riding when it's wet. It's this horrible powdery loess that dissolves like an alka-seltzer. Had a bunch of people come over from Whistler to set up a bike park here, and they promised that the park would be open 365 days a year, it was supposed to be this big selling point and being from Whistler where the bike trails are under snow for half the year they were really excited about it. They were told it was a bad idea by every single local, but they were stubborn. Probably did over $100,000 of damage to their trail surfaces on the first day of rain and they had to deal with all of the angry tourists who had to drag their bikes with completely locked up wheels to the bottom of the trails.

Learned their lesson pretty quickly.

Drive inland to the foothills though and everything is amazing in the wet.
 

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'SHRED WAGON'!
yessss

and man was i fuckin jealous of those mfers w pankake cogs in the back… I was doin pretty well, finished near the end in about 5 hours- last few climbs took it out of me.. Watching new bikes w pankake gears fly up the hill, i couldnt press down for fear of quad locking up, 32x37 is my lightest gear… fucked there, and w few easy flat road/ slight downhill fireroad spots doofuses that i passed on the uphill would pass me- no low gear so i was spinning at 15 mph. Just medium range gears aint the way.

Stoked that I basically got up off the couch and finished it, hoping to see if I can have a new mtb to see how it rolls next year…I don’t think anyone else had a bike older than 2 years, lots of teams w matching bikes- yeti and santa cruzes. I definitely did not see them after the start, those xc racer bodies… hunched over forever, giant calves and frail curved upper backs, I’m probably the worst shape of my life, but i would never want to look so specialized, mfers got to wrestle pigs and cows caint do that in a waif skin suit.
 

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Bruh no granny on the cranks??

Nice work finishing it. Even if you were out the arse, got it done, get fit and do it next year. See how many skinsuits you can beat.

Pretty sure that the enduro athletes have that strong upper body you're hoping to perv at though.
 

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Bruh no granny on the cranks??

Nice work finishing it. Even if you were out the arse, got it done, get fit and do it next year. See how many skinsuits you can beat.

Pretty sure that the enduro athletes have that strong upper body you're hoping to perv at though.

Cheers… A fat little woman that looked like a sweet potato passed me in the last couple miles, it is a slow uphill I couldnt do anything but push the bike on… so many passed there w their lil pankake cogs bustin up that hill mfers, definitely got a base line n I need to go to that enduro race in august see if i need a heavy big bike or a light puff xc bike…

The fast boys all had matching these bicycles

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Yeti makes pretty good stuff. Still don't see how they qualify those prices tho...

Edit: oh right, lifetime warranty.
is it samr yeti as makes them fancy coolers ? New bike frames all look like bizarre aids filled bike coolers, would make sense..

110mm dropper and wolf tooth lever flyin in, tracked down an xt big 3rd ring , tryna hit kitsuma this weekend (a trail everyone talks about…

Can anyone explain front shocks to me? I just try to keep everything locked out, this shock has two turns on each- one makes it go up and down and one is the rebound level… After 5 hrs my hands was at their limit and forget about ass pain, new seat has been ordered.. Stitching in this selle italia is coming off anyway.
 

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Eh, I wouldn't buy a Yeti if it was the price of a Merida. Too many people I know have broken them or had other problems that came from poor engineering of their linkages. Too cool to use pivots like a normal brand. the lifetime warranty isn't worth much if they come back and say you've been misusing your frame when the thing snaps for no obvious reason mid-corner. I swore off owning a Yeti when I helped a friend redesign the eccentric cam for his SB66, which from a design point of view is a fucking mess. Their new frames are no different and that switch infinity thing is a nightmare. Two different sponsored riders have described their SB150 to me as "a flexy piece of shit" or similar. I reckon the guys on the enduro factory team, Reed Boggs etc get custom layups. But that's just speculation.

Suspension:

If the rebound is set too fast then the bike will feel a little bouncy and uncontrolled when doing a jump or exiting a berm, will spit the handlebars back at you a bit too abruptly after a hit takes it into its deep travel, and will feel like you're not getting as much grip from the front tire as you should be over bumps, with the grip feeling slightly unpredictable.

If the rebound is set too slow then the fork will feel comfortable when it takes a single hit, but uncomfortable over repeated hits because it won't have time to extend enough between each hit. So the fork will stay low in its travel where the spring is really stiff, and it will feel like you don't have much suspension at all. The fork will be more predictable, but will feel like its sucking the energy out of your inputs - say if you pump a roller, it won't feel like you gain as much speed from it, and the bike won't spring out of corners with any pep.
 

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Haven't ridden anything in a couple weeks but I've been doing short runs in places with lots of trees. Toledo has some great metroparks / nature preserves. Just grab the right shoes and walk out the door. Simple.

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I've been looking very hard at this Rose 'the Bruce' DJ bike even though I've been down the DJ road before. I'm back in Germany now and stuck with my 12 year old Onza Zoot. Next trip over I gotta replace the Zoot and a DJ bike might just fit the bill as a 'one bike' solution. Over here I can get the Bruce new for $900. For now it's Zoot 4 life though!!
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I have had my eye on something similar (GT La Bomba Pro) for a while but just cant justify the purchase. The nearest really legit place for a DJ that I know of is Rays which is 2hrs away, and I can always rent a Trek Ticket when I go there.

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Damn those Trek Tickets!! I wanted one so badly (the 10x135, not the newer ones) but they're far and away THE most expensive DJ bike ever. Ironically there are a few on PB right now with down to earth prices, but I'm not in the market for a heavy trials bike substitute at the moment.
 

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TDA goalz


One of the local boys. Such a rad dude, gonna be at such a disadvantage coming in to each race with that level of fatigue though. He shreds, big sponsorships incoming I reckon. He hooked me up with the bling af Fox 38 on my trail bike when he moved to sram.

siiiiick

rode kitsuma w a dropper today, man this bike definitely shows its age /geo when that seat is down and bombing hills!! almost died a few times. need different bike for that trail, its what they race enduro on, roots/rocks more than trail and full send downhill… some crazy jumps i definitely didnt hit

half way down i had to stop, my fork is set all locked out- hands couldnt keep holding bar… turned the compression down 1/4 from max and the same w rebound- totally different bike!!! barely noticed the roots, definitely wished i had larger wheels …
 

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Such a talent. Last time i mentioned him on this forum I was told that what he does is inane and that true skill is only found in hopping around on a trials bike :whistle:
 
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