i hate people that don't speak english. assholes
Frame copying
Damn....
Talk amongst yourselves.
This is from a frame painter in the Pulo factory in China...Talk about the "COPY":
XTP from ZOO! Piranha, none of you notice?, HA!They just make it luxe. The Piranha in 2002 winter, the XTP in 2003 summer. Dual CNC yoke. "ZOO! is copy of KOXX"?The XTP's gusset at the head setion is from ECHO URBAN, right?
The Monty Urban has chainstay and down tube gussets such like the ES3.
The new Zoo! Pitbull and coustellier frame is from Justic and Pashly, right? Design = copy from 1 frame+copy from another frame?
The Atomz is from Megamo, exactly the same bike!
the Woodman is from Koxx LB, small tubes, in black.
the Brisa -- Crescent -- Echo ?
PlantX is from Megamo but different color,
And the Monty no seat Xlite(1999) is from EWR(a small company from USA in 1997-8. The new Monty 2004 xlite has a gusset on the brake mounts, is from ZOO! Lynx, and the intergrative headset is first on Megamo. Monty forks is from EWR CRMO forks too! Anyone here know EWR(Easten Wood Researh, Not sure) ?
The NORCO EVOLVE/RACELIN Rinho/ONZA is the same bike.
The KOXX LB20/ECHO TEAM/ONZA 2004 T-PRO, how do you think?
Is there problem?COPY is everywhere in the industry. Every factory is doing this!!!Most BMX we have painted has same design.
Talk amongst yourselves.
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Yeah, I know EWR. It was Jay DeJesus' company. He started with some east coast style MTB frame designs while he was going to Penn State. Grove Innovations, a local framebuilder made Jay's frames EWR.Pancho said:
The MTB frame geometry which Grove had been playing with since the early 90's got sorted with the EWR prototypes and short production runs. Ultra ultra short chainstays, high bottom brackets, and steeeeep head angles. The only other bike that came close in geometry was the C'dale Beast of the East, but it was slacker and longer.
For further confusion, both Grove and EWR produced frames known as the "Woods Bike", but they were different. Both companies made some really innovative frames that worked.
Another popular frame was the EWR frame was the E-motion, which was more of a x-country bike. The EWR Woods Bike was a burly stock trials / dirt jumper.
Jay sold EWR frames mostly to technical mountain bikers (this was before "free riding" was known), and Grove stayed afloat by diversifying into wheelchair-ski thingies. In 2000 Grove got sued out of existence (no fault of their own.. they were a cool company too). Even before then, though, EWR was getting very minimal. Jay probably had a stash of frames that lasted for when people would call up to buy one, plus the design wasn't exactly changing from year to year. I dunno what Jay is up to these days.
Anyway, the 90's were the heyday of Pennsylvania biking. The local scene was great. Dirt Rag was still just a black-n-white zine from Pittsburgh with a staple in the corner. Jay DeJesus wrote guest columns for Dirt Rag. Gunnar Shogren was a local legend. People didn't specialize so much.. you'd see the same freaks at cyclocrosses and trials events.
Another weird coincidence -- Grove Innovations sponsored a cross country team and one of the members was named Ryan Leech. No, not the trials Ryan, but a totally different guy with the same name.
Exactly. Who cares if somebody else makes a clone of an existing frame?Bloodhound said:
Unless you're a huge company with a pack of rabid lawyers there's nothin' you can do. Hell, I'd be flattered if some Taiwanese factory made a knockoff of something I designed.
Your bicycle is not a beautiful and unique snowflake.
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