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Central Scrrrrrrrutinizer
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Graham (or anyone else) do we have the final word on the specs of the Coustellier frame yet? With all the chatter going on here and other places on the net, I'm curious as to who the manufacturer actually is...whether it's indeed welded by Pulo (as we are led to believe the Koxx, Zoo and Echo are made) or by another manufacturer of unknown origin. Do you care to share the manufacturing origin?

More importantly, do you have the specs for the
head angle
wheelbase
chainstay length
BB height
warrantee
weight

It's certainly a great looking bike. Determining whether or not it's worth the asking price is a bit hard to do without more information though.

Thanks a ton Graham.
 

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no word yet smudge. I spoke with the importer two weeks ago and he said he would give me the information as soon as it was available. I can tell you this though. It will be made at Pulo along with every other aluminum mass produced trials bike. It is going to be competitive with the Koxx LB as far as pricing goes and the final product will be a lot different than the zoo although with the same general look. Don't worry, once I know I'm going to let everyone else know what's up. Later.

Graham

PS Some speculative specs are

-1080mm wheelbase
-15 inch chainstays
-zero drop bottom bracket
-71 degree head tube angle
-4.5 pounds
-one year warranty
 

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After a few weeks test riding by Yao zhi, we are very satisfy with this new model.

The new Pitbull is super low stand over. And the triple seat tubes present a very rigid BB section. The feeling on this bike is totally different. Quickly response when speed up the bike.

The frame is 1,989grams, 4.375 pounds. Not extremly light, since the tubes are quite thick, for someone ride really hard.

With a 405mm Echo "URBAN" fork, the geometry of this Pitbull is: 71.5 degreeds head tube, 1060mm wheel base, 385mm chainstays, 10mm BB (higher than the wheel axle). 73mm BB shell. 110mm head tube length. Fit 26*2.5" tire.
Official word from Zoo makers in engrish(http://www.engrish.com/). Somewhat dissapointing that they didn't just copy the bike completely. If they were going to copy they should have copied completely. I wonder if this is their attempt to make themselves feel somewhat original.
 

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I was thinking about that actually. It seems that only the designer of the bike and the manufacturer actually know the specs and details on the Coustellier frame. It's not entirely surprising that Zoo didn't copy it exactly considering that they're more than likely not privy to such details. It seems that they're nothing more than opportunists, which I'm not claiming to be a bad thing. My opinion is that while unfortunate that someone's design is being ripped off (at least aesthetically) it's doing the public a greater good by offering a similar product at a reduced price.

I'm sure Graham isn't making a killing selling Koxx, Try-All and Coustellier but it's not really in the best interest of the market to have a monopoly (this is, of course, a huge generalization and not taking into account that Graham has helped the trials riding public by offering products that may not have otherwise been obtainable by other means). That said, I'd be just as happy if Zoo never copied another bike but we were offered other purchasing avenues than the few that are currently available. Coustellier might be able to pick up more revenue by allowing more than one outlet to sell their product, taking a smaller profit per unit and encouraging competition.
 

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oh well the Coustellier will never be anything more than a dream, not inlcuding the poeple who have the diniro for Koxx and such.

I like the sound of all of the specs gived for the Pitbull, but whats with the +10mm BB!!?? I have not otherwise heard of the bb above the axel height, wont this make it unstable or something...?
 

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As far as I know Graham will be the exclusive dist for USA. I've spent some time with Michel and he told me that they are concerned with only the best product they can possibly offer...performance is his only concern, who cares what it costs(it isn't meant for everyone) and I believe him and the principals of his company. I've spoken w/ them recently and they are unconcerned about Zoo...it isn't even close to the same bike(obviously I cannot pass along details as Zoo is probably monitoring us). That said, the zoo likes like a decent alternative to the higher-cost, higher performance Coos frames. We had a couple zoo's on the team last year and they performed well...of course we got smoked by the bro's, so please make your own determination w/o bashing either. Michel tells me that that the shipping can be anyones guess and Graham will have Coos frames by mid-Feb. He doesn't care about rushing a frame out , hes an engineer and wants only his finest effort offered, I gotta say, I like this guy! Anyway, Graham's the man if any of us want info.
 

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Using the word "distributor" implies that goods would be distributed to retail outlets for resale. That's not what's happening here so I would argue that the word is being misused. Tim @ trialsin is a distributor, Graham appears to be an exclusive retailer. Semantics...

Glad to hear that Michel is so confident about the frame, hopefully we'll actually see some groundbreaking design. I'm certainly eager to learn of the secret details of this frame and the benefits that come with that attention to detail.
 

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we'll see how that goes..i want one though, but im not happy to see that the zoo is only 1060..fuck that, ill keep my piranha. isnt coustellier 1080? that sound better
 

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Actually I think the coustellier is 1060 Elan, though I don't think it really matters. Whatever the Coustellier bros choose will be the best available, and hopefully I will have the money to throw down.

Bill
 

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Hey Graham...

WHERE'S MY FUCKING FRAME??????

oh yeah and the engrish.com site is awesome!!! i can't wait to show it to my sister-in-law (she's a *****)(with a sense of humor)
 

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So who's going to bite the bullet on the coustellier? Who will be the first? I did it for the koxx...don't make me do it again...



I've never seen this queer eye for the straight guy show before, but i think some of them might be gay :dunno:
 

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I've given serious consideration to getting one, but I think I'd rather make my own instead.
 

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you he said "Some speculative specs are"
Key word: speculative!
It might be 1080, might be 1060.
Personally I would like a 1065 or 1070, but the 1060 will be just fine with a 120 stem... (for me)

I think you guys are putting a little too much faith in these Coustellier guys... Its like asuming that whatever shoe Michal Jordan uses is the best in the world...
I bet you would buy it if it was made of spraypainted bark, wouldnt ya'
I'm sure the Coustellier frame will be amazing, its just the way you lot are drooling over it :drool: :drool:
 

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michael jordan doesnt make nikes though. nike makes nikes. i realize this company makes like koxx ecxho, zoo and all that , but these guys actually de3signed the frame... i just think it looks cool too.. and if it coems in 1080, i will buy it, but if it doesnt, its just another fucking piranha wanna be. :)
 

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I bought a koxx because I saw koxx riders riding them, and it was the best choice I have ever made for trials. I have faith in the coustelliers as well. A frame DETERMINES your style and what you can do.


ps. any one have any vids of vinco riding?
 
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