I just se sooooo many topics about vee brakes, disc brakes, maggies, rim finishes, grinds, tar/toothpaste/coke use, levers, etc. I've kept all my comments and feelings bottled up inside until now where I thought I'd gather my thoughts on the subject by writting them down. So why not post it on the internet and see if people agree? So any comments positive and negative are suspensefully awaited. I refuse to use tar, and I dont grind, although I cannot deney the great bennifit of either. I simply cant see why people dont just get brakes that work. Its not rocket science and its rarely a financial issue. Get good V-brakes, teflon cables, good levers, take your sweet time setting it all up and using tons of lube, and most importantly - get good pads = brakes you never have to worry about. Many different pads work well, but the Plazmatic's are a no-brainer, some people think they are good, some think they are the best. Rims are also a small issue, you can do your own research on that. I'f your thinking of the ever popular hs33, I strongly suggest you take the few minutes to learn the very basics of fluid dynamics and hydromechanics. You'd be suprised on how much it helps your understanding of how to get your brakes good. Same as the vee's, take the flippin time to LEARN what is needed for good brakes. There are plenty of forum threads and websites around the world with the info & tips on maggies. If you really want to be the bees knees of you local trials community (whcih may or may not involve people besides yourself), find a way to make hydro disc brakes work. They definately can be safe, you just gotta get your lazy ass to the computer and/or phone and take the time to figure it out. There are also different reasons (rotor warping, sound, etc.) for not wanting discs but I dont care about that right now. I dont know shit about mech discs so I wont go there. I myself follow my own advice to a degree, but then again I dont complain about my brakes. I run halfass vees right now with spanish fly pads. Next season (or the season after that) I'll be the coolest guy in town sportin a rear hydro disc brake, and maybe a front if for some unimaginable reason I decide its worth it. (Even though there is at least one other guy with dual disc, and he's 20 million times better than me) Steffen' btw, does anyone have a pic of broken frames/calipers caused by unappropiate rear disc use? thanks.. oh yeah, one last thing - clean clean clean, keep everything cleeeaaan, I cant be bothered to write about it just keep things clean!!!