I know youve all seen the java based motorcycle trials one and the other older motorcycle trials one that was really simple, but have you seen this: http://bike.toyspring.com/ BikeTrials for the PalmOS. It has to be based off the older motorcycle trials game you could download and install, cant remember the name of it, but it's in my setup files folder somwhere. Anyway, new to me, and for once a post about a trials game that isnt a dupe. Going to install it on my new Tungsten T in Sept and see how it runs. :Sonic: EDIT: I remember the name of the old trials game, Elasto Mania, that's what this game is based off of. You can watch the demo vid at the address above and see that the physics of it all is extremely similar to Elasto Mania, except with a bike for once.