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What kinda welder do i need to get to just put metals together... for example i have a gate that i want to put tighter 2x4” welded wire fencing onto, as right now it has giant hole the goats and pigs can skurt thru...

Mig ? tig ? wig ? nig ? big ? Whats the bomb... I’m not trying to make a bike frame just put together fences and fab metal shit on the farm... make some good burning man tin men dancing
 

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Cheapest, messiest, hardest to use is a stick welder. They're an excellent tool that can do magic if you know what you're doing. I hate them. You might struggle if you're welding wire to things. I find them hard to get started, hard to control where the weld pool is, and hard to control the heat, so welding a wire mesh to a gate with one would irritate the shit out of me and I'd do a pretty bad job of it.

Less cheap, less messy, easier to use is a mig with flux core. It's probably what I'd suggest. They work fine, very easy to use unless you're welding thin stuff. Get one with a good amount of grunt.

If you want to spend lots of money then mig with gas. At this point you're renting/buying gas bottles so you'd want to be using it a lot. They're cheating, very little skill required. Get the settings right and you can stick anything together.

If you want to buy the wrong welder then buy a tig. they're delicate, clean, slow, controlled, and harder to learn. Good for thin steel, areas where you need to manage heat, or if you need to spend hours getting the weld perfect. Not for farm gates or burning man sculptures. Like getting a calligrapher to make a cardboard sign for your garage sale.


Watch a few youtube videos on welding to get the basic idea down. It's easy to understand, balancing the power you throw at it and the material you throw at it. But there's a little bit to know to get good strong reliable welds. Then just fang it, it's obvious once you figure it out.

Welding fumes are horrible for you at the best of times, never do it in an enclosed space without ventilation or a respirator, but fumes from welding galvanised steel are by far the worst and if you're gonna be welding wire mesh to a gate then they'll both be galv. Don't forget to grind off galv from where you're welding, and have heaps of ventilation. That shit is bad for you. You can definitely weld galved stuff without prep but it's harder to get a decent arc going and you need to do it in open air with a strong fan blowing the smoke away from you and while wearing a respirator.

And buy an auto darkening welding helmet. So much easier.
 

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Cheapest, messiest, hardest to use is a stick welder. They're an excellent tool that can do magic if you know what you're doing. I hate them. You might struggle if you're welding wire to things. I find them hard to get started, hard to control where the weld pool is, and hard to control the heat, so welding a wire mesh to a gate with one would irritate the shit out of me and I'd do a pretty bad job of it.

Less cheap, less messy, easier to use is a mig with flux core. It's probably what I'd suggest. They work fine, very easy to use unless you're welding thin stuff. Get one with a good amount of grunt.

If you want to spend lots of money then mig with gas. At this point you're renting/buying gas bottles so you'd want to be using it a lot. They're cheating, very little skill required. Get the settings right and you can stick anything together.

If you want to buy the wrong welder then buy a tig. they're delicate, clean, slow, controlled, and harder to learn. Good for thin steel, areas where you need to manage heat, or if you need to spend hours getting the weld perfect. Not for farm gates or burning man sculptures. Like getting a calligrapher to make a cardboard sign for your garage sale.


Watch a few youtube videos on welding to get the basic idea down. It's easy to understand, balancing the power you throw at it and the material you throw at it. But there's a little bit to know to get good strong reliable welds. Then just fang it, it's obvious once you figure it out.

Welding fumes are horrible for you at the best of times, never do it in an enclosed space without ventilation or a respirator, but fumes from welding galvanised steel are by far the worst and if you're gonna be welding wire mesh to a gate then they'll both be galv. Don't forget to grind off galv from where you're welding, and have heaps of ventilation. That shit is bad for you. You can definitely weld galved stuff without prep but it's harder to get a decent arc going and you need to do it in open air with a strong fan blowing the smoke away from you and while wearing a respirator.

And buy an auto darkening welding helmet. So much easier.
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Something like this
Mig/tig/stick and will run flux core
Get an angle grinder with flapper wheels, cutting disc and grinding rocks
Then burn rods and wire until you get it
Mig when you can do things clean, or tig
Stick can be used about anywhere if running 6010
7018 if cleaned

Definitely Agee with auto darkening helmet
Also need some real leather gloves and some leather sleeves
Welding is awesome
 

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Yep
fuck stick though :whistle:

Cheapest angle grinder does the trick. my shitty little 100mm ozito one is over a decade old at this point and still goes mint. Still use it for when I need to fit it into spots that the big boy can't reach. I have made SO many things just with random bits of metal and a grinder. Best tool.

Get some thicc gloves to handle that big mig energy because you keep forgetting things were white hot 15 seconds ago. If you can use your fingers they're not thick enough. Then buy an extra set of thin ones cos you need to use your hands for things. And then compromise by wearing one thick one and one thin one. Lol.

I have never ever used sleeves but tbh I'd probably change my tune if you made me use a stick more than twice.
 

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I don’t mind stick at all depending on the application. No gas bottles needed, and can make good beads with 7018.
I use sleeves for convenience, don’t feel like wearing a full jacket

Andy, post up some photos
I’d love to see some amateur welds again
That shit makes me laugh! I laid out some turds when I started
Just like anything it takes practice
 

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steel trusses I built for a house
A ladder for storm shelter
Made that from 1/4 thick angle and channel. I think it’s was a bit overkill. Probably weighed 100 lbs or more.
And cut the back off a Chevy truck, sheet metal action on open side. Turned it into a headboard for a kids bed. Cab light was wired in to still work as a night light.
 

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Definitely will.. dealin w a 200 year old barn foundation repair and north side /roof fix … gettin 55 pigs turned into $$. just sold all the cows, sellin giats, raisin baby birds, buildin new bird land, tearin olf bird land in, buildin hoop house, buildin smoke house, finishing shed siding, putting doors on 4 gardens, finishing perimeter fence, got 6 gates to put up… u kno the gammmmme

just me. anyone wanna help i can feed n tent u up

thanks for all the advices…maybe i csn rent one there is a tool library an hr away n do some youtube University, build myself a new mtb
 

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Might be spending 8 months driving around Canadia/USA in a bit over a year. So, maybe lol

Don't rent one. You'll try queue everything up, fail, and then wish you had it later on after you returned it. And then whenever you need to stick two pieces of steel together after that you'll be all mad about how you don't have a welder. If you don't want to splash out then buy a second hand one.
 

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Might be spending 8 months driving around Canadia/USA in a bit over a year. So, maybe lol

Don't rent one. You'll try queue everything up, fail, and then wish you had it later on after you returned it. And then whenever you need to stick two pieces of steel together after that you'll be all mad about how you don't have a welder. If you don't want to splash out then buy a second hand one.

main thing id like to build is outdoor cooking situations/ big grates like they cook in south america with. I’ve roasted a small whole pig, i have a 24x24” iron grate that works when they are halved- but i want to roast a big mamma for 12 hours and feast

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