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they just released their "Re-designed" frame kit... I am curious for it's price and hope your opinions will shed lights!
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That chainstay length can't be right. 345 won't fit a 2.4 holy roller. The other numbers are pretty middle of the road. The BB is too low for my liking. Have you ever seen a SAW bike in person?
 

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Didn't see the wheelbase earlier; is it a 24 or a 20? The chainstay would make more sense on a 20.
 

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haven't seen this actual steel frame. It say's on the specs as 24 inch bike. i was just curious since most of the new frames now were getting into more bmx. Extention bikes have 972mm to 965mm wheelbases.
 

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Thinking about getting this, it might suite my height at 167cm. But worried if it snapped in just few weeks or months. I snapped my 2015 story frame lately with 972mm wheelbase.
 

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i was offered with reasonable price by another frame builder....which is i think waaaayyyy better than sawbike
wheelbase 970
head tube 74
bb height 15
rear fork 362 (shortest 355-368 adjustable)
weight frame 2.36
front fork 1.25
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I'm definitely sold on steel frames - reweldable (IFF it should ever crack). Maintains stiffness (better than Alum - cyclical loading is near unlimited). A "slight increase in weight as the payoff for durability and longevity. Weight is the insurance you pay to continue riding! It's minimal...

Suggestion when YOU DO the Build: Buy an aersol can of "Framesaver" (or similar product) and follow the directions on the can! You'll spray it "inside" of the tubing before you build-up the bike. A necessity for building a steel bike! (Cheap insuranc to keep the frame from rusting from the inside). IMO, a must with a steel frame!

Have fun! Keep riding!
 

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I never really understood steel. I had an Arcade and it was ok and I loved my Ozonys Iron, but once I got another aluminum bike, they just felt heavy for no gain at all. All the time I've spent with BMX bikes, you should never pay more than $400 for a steel frame, ever. Anything more is a ripoff. Steel forks are honestly the worst. They feel heavy and dead.
 

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I never really understood steel. I had an Arcade and it was ok and I loved my Ozonys Iron, but once I got another aluminum bike, they just felt heavy for no gain at all. All the time I've spent with BMX bikes, you should never pay more than $400 for a steel frame, ever. Anything more is a ripoff. Steel forks are honestly the worst. They feel heavy and dead.
how did the arcade and iron weighs?
my broken aluminum frame setup was about 10.68kg
and if ever i switched to steel frameset, it would be around 11.6 - 12kg
 

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I never really understood steel. I had an Arcade and it was ok and I loved my Ozonys Iron, but once I got another aluminum bike, they just felt heavy for no gain at all. All the time I've spent with BMX bikes, you should never pay more than $400 for a steel frame, ever. Anything more is a ripoff. Steel forks are honestly the worst. They feel heavy and dead.
Agree on the fork feeling - anything heavy on the front end will feel dead for sure if your constantly pulling up on the front end. From a price perspective, to each his own ... a mass produced BMX frame, I'll continue to agree. Where I'll totally disagree, a bespoke steel frame (or any material) your paying for a one-off labor-intensive engineering-artisan hand-crafted frame to your specs and no one else's ... Insert willing price tag .... regardless of material.
I feel the same way you do to steel, about aluminum frames. ..$400 Max ... for mass produced stuff. I no graceful rider +200lbs and quite rough on stuff. I've bent most everyone of my aluminum frames in my lifetime.
Every material has an application its best suited for, yet each can be used for just about any of them. Ride what feels best to you and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Mark ... don't forget that "Frame Saver" if you pickup either of those frames!
 

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Agree on the fork feeling - anything heavy on the front end will feel dead for sure if your constantly pulling up on the front end. From a price perspective, to each his own ... a mass produced BMX frame, I'll continue to agree. Where I'll totally disagree, a bespoke steel frame (or any material) your paying for a one-off labor-intensive engineering-artisan hand-crafted frame to your specs and no one else's ... Insert willing price tag .... regardless of material.
I feel the same way you do to steel, about aluminum frames. ..$400 Max ... for mass produced stuff. I no graceful rider +200lbs and quite rough on stuff. I've bent most everyone of my aluminum frames in my lifetime.
Every material has an application its best suited for, yet each can be used for just about any of them. Ride what feels best to you and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Mark ... don't forget that "Frame Saver" if you pickup either of those frames!
Thanks man, I will find that frame save you said. In my case since i am on a limited budget and the offer for that steel frame just fits perfectly. I was also thinking about aluminum yet he price is above the point and though there are some aluminum frames at range, I don't want any cracking frames again. I am not smooth but i usually throw out the bike just to save my self.
I came from bmx when I was young and never have cracked frames, the STORY (2015) maybe just it's end-of-life...
 

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how did the arcade and iron weighs?
my broken aluminum frame setup was about 10.68kg
and if ever i switched to steel frameset, it would be around 11.6 - 12kg
I don't remember their weights anymore, but it was more down to feel. I think on the scale alu vs steel was within a pound of each other, but the steel just didn't feel as positive. Granted I've been riding alu bikes since 1991 so I could be biased on the feel of alu vs steel. I also don't hang on to bikes very long, trails bikes especially. I held on to my Iron for 5 years, but most of them are on a 2 year cycle.
 

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I don’t know what a steel frame would feel like for trials riding. I think the love of steel frames is for how they feel going through a windy road at extremely high speeds- all the steel greatness comes from riding at speeds.

I do have an arcade fork on the front end of my hex.. it is way way heavier than what I’ve normally run, and I’m only now thinking of it. Alu fork w QR is way lighter than this hunk of steel w “bolt thru” axel. Perhaps I’ll put the fork on the FTW and resurrect it w discs... 20+ years of riding and that ftw was easily the greatest frame for me, felt so good at high speeds ;)
 

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Thanks tda... that's the word in the roadie community - "Steel is Real" ... and that windy road situation sums it up well. Steel has a lower stiffness than - what we want is super light weight and super high stiffness in Trials.

I'm with you all the way on QR axles!!! They haven't failed yet.... I ain't changing them either!
 

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Thanks tda... that's the word in the roadie community - "Steel is Real" ... and that windy road situation sums it up well. Steel has a lower stiffness than - what we want is super light weight and super high stiffness in Trials.

I'm with you all the way on QR axles!!! They haven't failed yet.... I ain't changing them either!

as if i need another project... the idea of putting a brand new fourplay fork which ive never used and my old wheel on the hex might have to happen. The FTW resurrected w arcade fork and dual disc... ut ohhhh... thats a farm bike right therr . Embrace the snappy aluminum hex pogo life, put 5 speeds on the ftw..
 
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