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View Poll Results: HS33 or Vee's?
Magures hs33 or echo hydro 134 57.76%
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Old 01-26-2010, 04:26 PM   #1
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Hydro or Vee's?

Im tired of screwin around with my echo hyro rear brakes, how are vee's? Wat vee setup should i look for?



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You should buy HS33's instead of the Echos.



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Ya ive heard echos suck more then magura, maybe i will, not sure. But i already have the echos

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On second thought... because you weight like 80 lbs and don't have a job maybe vee's would be a better choice...

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I would try vee brakes in a heartbeat if it weren't for the $30 adapters. If you decide on using vees, don't forget the slick honey.

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On second thought... because you weight like 80 lbs and don't have a job maybe vee's would be a better choice...
actually i weigh 110, and im gettin a job this summer cause im getting my permit this may or june, cause i gotta pay for my truck insurance
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I would try vee brakes in a heartbeat if it weren't for the $30 adapters. If you decide on using vees, don't forget the slick honey.
ok, do you know like what brand to look for? A good brand with good pads? if i got vees i'd probly get TNN pads
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My TNN's for maggies work great...

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+1 for vee's.

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on my mod i'm running maggies with alu-backing Rock blues, Echo SL booster with a light grind that needs to be reground - works quite well

stock i'll be running heatsink adapters with avid ultimate calipers... not too sure what cables/house, maybe Odyssey or XTR or Avid Flak jacket, alu-backed 44trials pads and a salsa CF booster with a medium grind - pretty excited to have this set up.

maybe bleed your brakes with water and it that still makes them suck, then get maggies

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K, thanks Alex, My friend in our trials club is a Magura dealer, so hes gonna get me a sirenge so i can bleed my brakes, but with mineral oil, i tried once and couldnt figure it out, but i had the bike shop do it and they didnt do it right, the bleed didnt last long

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magges FTW. never had an issue with then while riding that wasnt my fault.

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Well why not just use magura blood? Pretty sure it's identical to mineral oil, a 10 weight mineral oil. You live somewhere warm, just do the bleed it yourself using water. Although I'm not 100% sure which version of Dengura you're using, but sometimes the seals don't work with water... Try it

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I can't comment on Maggies since I don't own a set or used one for extended periods, but I've had no confidence issues with Vees as a beginner rider at ~175lbs.

I run,

  • Cheap Deore arms
  • SD7 levers
  • Some random (but quality) cable I had lying around
  • Heatsink red pads with CNC backings
  • Echo booster
  • Sharp grind
  • Some unbranded CNC adapters
Benefits,
  • Easy to maintain
  • Adjustable lever reach
  • Adjustable actuation tension
  • Good bite
  • Solid hold
  • Cheap! Pads were the most expensive bit, more expensive than an angle grinder...
  • Doesn't leak
Disadvantages,
  • Chunky looking with the adapters, arm and booster
  • On longer rides (2hrs+) forearm pump/fatigue might be noticeable, but so will your Popeye arms after a month or two
Setup is key with pad and grind being the most important aspects.
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For the front, I recommend the Magura Louise disk (2008/2009)

For the rear, I recommend the Magura HS33, with ROCK, or TNN pads for the ultimate braking!

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If you gotta go out and buy a set-up, you might as well get Maggies. Check out brycer1968's thread in the FS forum. The guy's legit and has some smokin deals. You can get a full set for under $100. Add in pads: 20-40 bucks and it shouldn't come to more than caliper, adapter, lever, housing, cable, and pads for a Vee set-up. Just my $.02, though.

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maguras are fantastic.

if you are running vees some avid black opps,heatsink adaptors,xtr levers odyssey linear slick cables with the tnn lgm v pads.

either work well,its the feel at the lever and the bite to hold ratio.its just preference.

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K thanks a bunch guys! I guess if i cant get my Echos bled again, I'll have to buy some HS33's

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I hate the sluggish response of maggies nearly enough to warrant trading them for a V brake system, but I guess I should focus more on learning how to use my bike as is.

Get the maggies so you can experience what everyone else is using, then decide to trade up later

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I run super cheapo MTX V-brakes (or whatever), Odessey slick cable, and Problem Solver travel agents. Great reliability from lever pull to lever pull as well as having a VERY snappy lever return- which is so nice.

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I would run whatever the frame is made for. No adapters and shit. So HS 33

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10 to 17... Geezz only a few people spoke highly of the Vees... I think people are just voting to vote...

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I would run whatever the frame is made for. No adapters and shit. So HS 33
I run HS33s. I am not really sure why. They came on my PX so thats all I really knew. When it came time to buy brakes for my new build I didnt even consider Vee's. A nice v set up can feel so money though.
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i'm with team V brake, i've had a fair few setups in 4 years, i used maguras for two years on various bikes, had some of the best setups going (coust-sinks, etc), used a read bb7 disc for 18 months too, last 6 months i've been using a V brake and OH MY GOD! it's the best thing i've ever had. EVAR! i'm not going back to anything else any time soon.
Practicality:
vee's are cheaper in the long run, and a far more practical brake if you don't live near a specialist bike shop that can deal with hydraulics; every bike shop will have vee brake spares... you'll learn than kicking a crossover hose usually means game over for a ride, even if you get a new hose + bleed sorted getting oil on your rims will piss on your parade.

Snapping cables is rare (touch wood hasn't happened to me in nearly 2 years of trials) and if you do snap one, inners don't cost alot, and there a bit easier to keep a few spare in your bag than a bleed kit.

Performance:
Vee's have a lot more backwards hold, so if you backwheel a wall a little bit to low, you can bounce your way up it and the wheel should stick-it, i've had my magura and disc let my wheel spin out on me a few times, where my vee has manned it out. even when you use the stock black pads the performance is fair, a far sight better than magura black pads. i'd advise some TNN or heatsink pads for a rear brake though.
to illustrate the power of my brake, i weigh 106kg and i haven't made my brake slip since i ran trials pads on a grind. i'm very happy with it!


if you adopt an avid setup, with SD7 levers you can really dial in lever feel, plus you can adjust the springe on the vee brake to make the brake as hard or soft as you like. you can really yank on the brake lever, pull it right into the bars and it'll take it, something you don't get with maguras.

and best of all:
NO ARM PUMP! or at least in my experience since going from hydraulic to cable brakes, (riding other peoples bikes with hydraulics makes my wrists cramp up prety fast) ti think it's cause vee's can flex where maguras can't. sounds bad but i've never found myself wanting a stiffer feel at the lever.

My setup:
shimano xtr outers
Onza 4-bolt to vee dapters
Avid SD 7 calipers
Avid SD 7 levers
One heatsink yellow pad and one TNN yellow pad

weighs about the same as a magura setup too! hope i've helped

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Another point, it'd be interesting to see how a stock setup would work, as a magura with black pads, no booster and a grind. versus a standard Vee brake, with black pads etc. cause theres usually a prejudice against vee's cause alot of peoples experience of them are on low end bikes, when you're used to a magura with all the trimmings.

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Thanks Ogre!!! Well the way you put it makes me want Vee's. I just want some bakes that dont slip, i know i needed new pads on my echos, so im gonna think about this



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