Vertical Leap on Bike

[Bryan]

How high all of you can get your rear wheel without tucking at all (Handlebars on hips)?

In other words, using any method, excluding a tap or a kicker, how high is your vertical leap on the bike?

[DRUM]

you mean like a hop using the square pull up method? about a foot and a hlaf tho think, never tried hard.

[hydroboy]

That makes no sense to me. I can wheelswitch about 3 feet? Up with out a tap about 3 ft? But i suppose i "tuck" when i do that.

[jmkimmel]

he means like if you wanted to measure your vertical jump, you jump and reach as high as you can....doesn't take into account tucking your legs up. I don't know exactly how you'd measure vertical on a bike, though.

[xxxfr]

well atleast one person understands.....

[Bryan]

Imagine you are doing a sidehop, but instead of leaping to the side and tucking to get on the wall, you go straight up and don't tuck...just jump as hard as you can.

How high does the bottom of your rear wheel go?

[ridesoul]

depending what bike, about a foot and a half on my xc bike and two feet on a trials bike.

-RS

[MegamoMidwest]

why in the hell would that matter at all?

[digby]

Hes trying to figure out what seperates pro level ups from beginnner/sport level ups. How much of it is good technique and how much of it is physical ability(vertical leap). If you watch shit in slow motion and you watch where someones hips are. watching guys like belay or vincent, the most you see there hips go up is usually about the height of a wheel. the rest of it is usually tuck and good technique.

[hydroboy]

How is this supposed to be measured? Seems abit retarded to me as there is even technique in the jumping up part.

[Simonk]

if you really needed to measure it (which you dont) I would say look at how high up the head moves, since this doesnt really move much compared to your centre of mass. I have a feeling that big ups aren't only big because of good body position - i dont think vincents bike would go a foot and a half further up his arse than mine does.

[Bryan]

Hes trying to figure out what seperates pro level ups from beginnner/sport level ups. How much of it is good technique and how much of it is physical ability(vertical leap). If you watch shit in slow motion and you watch where someones hips are. watching guys like belay or vincent, the most you see there hips go up is usually about the height of a wheel. the rest of it is usually tuck and good technique.
Almost. I know in physical ability I am above most of the people on this board, but I also know that most of the people on this board have ups on bike that are considerably higher than mine. What I wanted to know is, what part of the techniques are I having most trouble with, the jumping phase or the tucking phase?

Ridesoul was most helpful... his rear tire goes about two feet off the ground before he tucks. This proves to me that I need to focus a lot more on the jump when I am upping, maybe even to the extent of practicing the jump separately. At the moment I can only get the rear to go about a foot before I tuck.

It is hard to tell distances in videos, and even harder to see where people are in mid air because of all that is involved in tucking for the up, that is why I asked!

[aki]

I'm getting a headache -_-;;

[Tanner]

I know in physical ability I am above most of the people on this board

Don't pull a muscle patting yourself on the back. T'would be a shame.

[Bryan]

Don't pull a muscle patting yourself on the back. T'would be a shame. Don't be a dick. I'm explaining a point, not bragging. He said I was asking if it was physical ability. I'm not. I want to know if it's the tuck or jump that I am lacking, that's all!

I can barely pedal up two feet, why the fuck would I pat myself on the back?

[WhiteRavenKS]

dont anyone strain your eMuscles fighting on a forum, that might hinder the eRiding we all cherrish so much.

[ridesoul]

lol. im not a skilled rider by any means, but i do jump like a kangaroo. it still confuses genital apparatus (a guy from the forums that i ride with). that is of course assuming i understood you right when you were talking about no "tucking". but ya, most of my height comes from my ability to haul myself vertically into the air if thats what your wondering. of course, that could just be because im not good enough for my "tuck" to get me more height than my ability to throw myself vertically into the air. again, assuming i know what you mean by "tucking".

does someone wanna give me a straight, simple definition and or example of tucking so i dont go spouting too much about something and being completely wrong! :? :)

-RS

[Bryan]

hey ridesoul do you have any vids of your riding? I want to study your technique...

Tucking just means retracting your legs from full extension :p (in trials most people throw the bike up with their arms and their legs come with.)

[Burn]

http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/image.php?u=793&type=profile&dateline=1100820589

Sidehop 90 count? :ugh2:

[bwagner]

:werd: why in the hell would that matter at all?

[ridesoul]

hey ridesoul do you have any vids of your riding? I want to study your technique...

Tucking just means retracting your legs from full extension :p (in trials most people throw the bike up with their arms and their legs come with.)
ok. i was talking about going from a standstill and just jumping straight up and sucking the bike straight up under me with both wheels at the same time. this is whithout the pulling handlebars to hips, then flinging the bike up farther with your arms technique that most people do (again now assuming that the second half of described manouver is the "tucking" part). not sure how hi i would go doing that, without the tuck at the end. never really checked. combining my ability to jump with the handlebars to hips technique, minus the tuck at the end would most likely result in slightly lower numbers of around one foot or so on my xc rig and a foot and a half on a trials rig. i couldnt honestly tell you unless i went out and tried it that way lol.

and my technique looks something like a crazy man beating a pine tree to death! i have no technique, just grunt and reach for the sky LOL!

-RS

[Bryan]

why in the hell would that matter at all? As far as I know, and please please correct me if I am wrong, there are 2 stages to getting height. One is the jump, that gets you a certain height, and after that is the tuck. You can't just tuck to get on top of a wall it doesn't work. What I was trying to figure out from this was whether I should concentrate more on tucking or more on jumping. In other words, what am I doing wrong, not jumping enough or not tucking enough?

If everyone responds that they can get a considerable distance in the air before they tuck, that tells me I need to work on the jump phase to get better.
If, on the other hand, people respond that no, they can't get very high in the air, that it's all about pulling the bike up, then I'll work on that instead...

Please don't misunderstand me like tanner did and think I am trying to turn this into some lame competition, I have never ridden with anyone else, my only source of info other than trial and error are the forums and the videos... I thought this was be a fairly simple question with a fairly simple answer!

[WhiteRavenKS]

its a lot technique. almost all technique. i can get up stuff much higher on my bike than i can on my feet. when vincent was out here him and graham were both dead even on their feet. on the bike though it was obviously no contest (and graham dont suck if you know what im talking about). the physical jumping is only a part of trials. obviously it helps if you can jump higher. but if you want to ride better, jump on your bike not on your feet. technique, then strength.

[Bryan]

its a lot technique. almost all technique. i can get up stuff much higher on my bike than i can on my feet. when vincent was out here him and graham were both dead even on their feet. on the bike though it was obviously no contest (and graham dont suck if you know what im talking about). the physical jumping is only a part of trials. obviously it helps if you can jump higher. but if you want to ride better, jump on your bike not on your feet. technique, then strength.
Thank you!!!

[ridesoul]

i guess, now that i understand the problem in its fullness, all i can say is that there is only so much you can tuck before your arms will come off and your rear brake booster will be deposited on your chin! to get any more height on top of that, you would need more vertical height to start with. if you feel pretty proficient at tucking (you feel that the ratio of vertical jump to tuck height that you are getting is greatly in favour of your tucking), then i would work on the superman leaping skillz, possibly by doing it seperately and then combining the two. thats just my thoughts though.

-RS

[Tanner]

Don't be a dick. I'm explaining a point, not bragging. He said I was asking if it was physical ability. I'm not. I want to know if it's the tuck or jump that I am lacking, that's all!

I can barely pedal up two feet, why the fuck would I pat myself on the back?


/sarcasm

[digby]

If it helps any, for a sidehop maybe about stem high from the rear wheel, sometimes it feels like i'm not even jumping, just straightening my body for a bit, then tucking up. my sidehop technique sucks, but I can still get a few inches over bar to both wheels. with better technique I'd probably get 6 inches higher, but I spend too much time on the couch.

[pav]

Thorshammer3 you should download the TRAengland2 video, I think it can be found on this site, it has a few clips of TRA sidehopping very high over a bar with some pretty good technique, hes a powerful rider so you can study jump and he does use some very good tucking technique too so chekc it out.

pav

[stocktrials]

http://marina.fortunecity.com/bowcreek/73/bike/pics/rikijump.jpg

[oicdn]

I think it's all technique, physical conditioning second (that arguement on nothing beats time on the saddle, regardless of muscle specific weight training)...I mean, going by the adage "white men can't jump" is more or less proof it's technique. I bet TRA can't dunk a regulation hoop (and that man has some ups) but could prolly up a ledge on his bike most black men can't even jump to on thier feet.....

**edit** damn that's high, why is it I only see pics of huge ups on a mod, hardly ever any on a stock?

[WhiteRavenKS]

holy leaping asian! wtf... thats pretty up there. dang. i wish i could go that high.

[digby]

that is such a ridiculous picture :wtf:

i'm guessing thats riki

[rush]

He kinda makes you feel ill watching him ride, can drink a beer too.

Seriously how high do you think his feet are off the ground at that point? 4 or 5 foot? Imagine telling someone you could get your feet 5 feet into the air just jumping, they would probably slap you. :slap:

[felix]

:eek3: looks more like 6 feet.

[Simonk]

its actually a midget riding the new prototype brisa stock - he's sidehopping onto the fence

[digby]

I think its shiramizu with a rocket in his ass.

[mikeschiavone]

I think its shiramizu with a rocket in his ass.

:werd:

[Bryan]

holy shit
lol that is the best picture ever

[WhiteRavenKS]

i would need nasa up my ass to get that high.

[AndyT]

80% of going high is the tuck, which is learned through technique.


Short riders (insert favorite lazy french guy or azn player) prove that you don't have to be 6' tall to do anything in the elite/pro level... If you have the technique and you think your height is hindering you, get in the gym or a time machine.

[stocktrials]

"exaaaactly... hehehe. D'oh!"

some of you may remember which episode that is from

[oicdn]

He kinda makes you feel ill watching him ride, can drink a beer too.

Seriously how high do you think his feet are off the ground at that point? 4 or 5 foot? Imagine telling someone you could get your feet 5 feet into the air just jumping, they would probably slap you. :slap:
:rofl: Best post evar!!!!!!!!!!!