USA --> Canada Duties

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

While im trying to order a bike from the US (i live in toronto). So far, regarding duties, this is all ive been able to get

" There are no duties on the USA side. I am not sure what your duties are
there."

So does anyone know about Canadian duties, or even US ones (i could try for a Canadian counterpart).

Thanks

Noah

[RomanC]

There are duties for sure when sending from US to Canada. The simplest way to avoid them is to declare the value of the frame for as little as possible. But then if it does get damage you can't claim much insurance on it.

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

its a full bike, and its only $300. theres not much wiggle room for declaring it, i mean isint that fraud?

[Boo_Berry]

what bike are you getting from the states that u can't get from canada?? www.thetrialsinshop.com (http://www.thetrialsinshop.com) orders koxx, px, echo, and zoo, and desalvo now i think... then there's a shop in quebec (www.hbtrials.com (http://www.hbtrials.com)) that sells BT, echo, koxx, px, zoo... so what exactly are u worried about tarrifs and such for?

[RomanC]

If it is 300 only then, the duty should not be big. And yes, it is a fraud to cheat to the Canadian government of the money they rightfully deserve for having a product cross their borders.

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

to romanC, just making sure, but i dont think the shop will mislable it. im getting an xalp for sale from www.trialsin.com (http://www.trialsin.com) because i really dont want to wait till march for the bike show here. i might also get a mod from www.veritasbikes.com (http://www.veritas.com) . i dont know why i didnt check customs and revenue before now, i feel like an idiot.

[Genital Apparatus]

Please don't get the Veritas.

[kwilson]

See if you can make arrangements to pick it up at Tim's place, then we go for a ride, and when you cross back over the border, just tell them you were down for the day for a ride with a friend. I used to take bikes across the border all the time like that when I worked for a shop here in Buffalo. Send me a note and we'll hook up, do a ride here in Buffalo.



Kevin

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

is it actually in buffalo, the adress didnt register with me, youve just made my day, tahnks loads.

im not sure if youd want to ride with me though, i cant even really backhop.

[Ken]

Duty on a complete bike is 13%, parts are duty free, but not a complete bike. You"ll also pay gst, and if it's coming UPS you will pay approx $40-$50 for them to do the brokerage for you. If you do it yourself, as in pick it up and declare it (legally) you'd save the $40 brokerage fee.

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

thats what i call customer satisfaction, not only answered my email question, but found my post on a borad and answered it there!

thanks

EDIT: il probably try for pick up, take the wheels off and call it an asortment of bike parts, some of which hapen to be atached (you cant really call it a bike if it dosent have wheels)

Duty on a complete bike is 13%, parts are duty free, but not a complete bike. You"ll also pay gst, and if it's coming UPS you will pay approx $40-$50 for them to do the brokerage for you. If you do it yourself, as in pick it up and declare it (legally) you'd save the $40 brokerage fee.

[Hugo]

il probably try for pick up, take the wheels off and call it an asortment of bike parts, some of which hapen to be atached (you cant really call it a bike if it dosent have wheels)

Bike in parts or fully installed is still a bike for the Canada customs, so you may end up paying the whole duties plus GST and any provincial tax, but you can try, they don't really know bikes, they are paper work/office people so who know!

Hugo
hbtrials.com

[Tanner]

thats what i call customer satisfaction, not only answered my email question, but found my post on a borad and answered it there!


Customer satisfaction for what?! Ken is not selling you the bike, how are you satisfied? Was that Steven Maeder, who sells those godforsaken pile of shit veritas', telling you about the customs charges? I say support Ken and Hugo, and buy your bike from www.thetrialsinshop.com or www.hbtrials.com. No duties, no import bullshit, just straight up Canadian trials store goodness.

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

Ken
The Trialsin' Shop

hes not selling me the bike? funny how he seems to be afiliated

find me a bike for around $400 CAD from any canadian shop and il buy, other wise i take my buisness elsewhere where i can get a begginer bike.

Edit: oops, my bad forgot the whole 'the' there. my point about price still stands

[Tanner]

I hate myself and want to die.

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

godforsaken pile of shit veritas

I hate myself and want to die.



ok, now contrary to popular belief, i cannot read minds

care to explain why it is a forsaken pile of shit

and why do you want to die (i this point im starting not to care frankly)

[ridesoul]

Duty on a complete bike is 13%, parts are duty free, but not a complete bike. You"ll also pay gst, and if it's coming UPS you will pay approx $40-$50 for them to do the brokerage for you. If you do it yourself, as in pick it up and declare it (legally) you'd save the $40 brokerage fee.
only 13%? i heard 37% from chad at soul cycles when enquiring about getting my bike accross the border. maybe thats just for frames only? meh. 13% sounds better to me anyway!

-RS

[Ken]

%13 for complete bikes.

Customs specifies for parts made in the US they're duty free, but as you look through the tariff codes it also refers to parts made everywhere else too... So there's no duty on frames, forks, tires, etc, etc...from anywhere. If you're paying it, you shouldn't be.

[Tanner]

godforsaken pile of shit veritas

I hate myself and want to die.



ok, now contrary to popular belief, i cannot read minds

care to explain why it is a forsaken pile of shit

and why do you want to die (i this point im starting not to care frankly)


I think the veritas is on the same level as any other wal*mart bike. the chainstays are longer than some cross country frame!

I hate myself because you don't seem to comprehend what EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS TELLING YOU

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

I think the veritas is on the same level as any other wal*mart bike. the chainstays are longer than some cross country frame!

I hate myself because you don't seem to comprehend what EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS TELLING YOU The mod has a chainstay of 15.5", which isint that long, i also dont see why its so terible to ask for a reason you are bashing a product, if i listend to every unsuported argument against something, i wouldnt own anything because i would think its all crap.

Now if you said something like... i duno

a) they do not produce anything at the higher end, b) they are not ridden by any pro riders,and c) they do not appear in competitions, in the form of sponsorship or actual riders' bikes
then you would have convinced me to go for the monty. How many reviews have you read before that were a big 2 page spread consisting of "DONT BUY THIS YOU IDIOT, ITS A SHITY PRODUCT"? Thats what i thought.

[BenR]

Get the X-Alp instead, that Veritas is a load of crap. For the same price you can get a monty x-alp with standard sizes and real triasl geo. If you break the bash on the Veritas you cannot get a new one, it also doesn't have a 19" rear wheel. The Veritas may seem like a good buy but trust me the X-alp is 10 times better.:Wavey:

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

i am getting the x alp, but you people need to get out and bike more, instead at getting pissed off at inquisitive people on a chartboard

[Tanner]

i am getting the x alp, but you people need to get out and bike more, instead at getting pissed off at inquisitive people on a chartboard


Maybe do some research on your own? I gave you an argument that was fully supported, as was GA's, and yet, your response is "Oh, thats not supported and if you typed something like 'i dont have a fucking clue what im talking about."

:luke:

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

Tanner said:

Maybe do some research on your own? I gave you an argument that was fully supported, as was GA's, and yet, your response is "Oh, thats not supported and if you typed something like 'i dont have a fucking clue what im talking about."

1) i have done research and veritas is a new company, so there isint much out there.

but!!!

2) You gave facts to back up your argument, yup and iraq had WMD's, but similarly, i cannot find them, lets go through your posts in this thread shall we?

a)
I say support Ken and Hugo, and buy your bike from www.thetrialsinshop.com (http://www.thetrialsinshop.com/) or www.hbtrials.com (http://www.hbtrials.com/). No duties, no import bullshit, just straight up Canadian trials store goodness.

Plug for other store (not an argument)

b)
I hate myself and want to die.

Fucked if i know (not an argument)

c)
I think the veritas is on the same level as any other wal*mart bike. the chainstays are longer than some cross country frame!

Im getting the mod not the stock you had no way of knowing, but still (not a legitimate argument) <---unless youd still like to defend that point, and il shoot you some measurments for good mod frames with longer stays

so ya, youve got a good argument there, now come invade my house ;)

[Bloodhound]

no duties on parts, Ken says 13% on completes.

Brokerage fees are big though, approx $100 CAD per frame.

[Tanner]

Tanner said:

Maybe do some research on your own? I gave you an argument that was fully supported, as was GA's, and yet, your response is "Oh, thats not supported and if you typed something like 'i dont have a fucking clue what im talking about."

1) i have done research and veritas is a new company, so there isint much out there.

but!!!

2) You gave facts to back up your argument, yup and iraq had WMD's, but similarly, i cannot find them, lets go through your posts in this thread shall we?

a)
I say support Ken and Hugo, and buy your bike from www.thetrialsinshop.com (http://www.thetrialsinshop.com/) or www.hbtrials.com (http://www.hbtrials.com/). No duties, no import bullshit, just straight up Canadian trials store goodness.

Plug for other store (not an argument)

b)
I hate myself and want to die.

Fucked if i know (not an argument)

c)
I think the veritas is on the same level as any other wal*mart bike. the chainstays are longer than some cross country frame!

Im getting the mod not the stock you had no way of knowing, but still (not a legitimate argument) <---unless youd still like to defend that point, and il shoot you some measurments for good mod frames with longer stays

so ya, youve got a good argument there, now come invade my house ;)


1. Veritas bikes are rebranded Tank bikes. Don't even fucking tell me there isn't enough info out there to say that Tanks/Veritas' are shit, because there is.

2. WMDs have FUCKALL to do with this thread, and just for that, I hope you die.

a) I'm not plugging anything, I've never bought a thing from them, and I don't plan on it. There's no argument in me telling you to buy Canadian to save yourself a shitload of trouble.

b) I've already explained this one. Maybe that should be your tagline.

c) the mod is basically a modified wal*mart BMX frame. If you want to break it down to that. NO standard parts.

To reiterate, you are a fucking moron and I hope I do invade your house and shoot some common sense into you.

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

wow, through all the bullshit in there, i think i saw some actual facts (accept for the rebranded tank comment, but il let that slide) if only all your posts were like that my urge to stab you in the face would be slightly less vigorous.

[ridesoul]

ok. i know you have already made your decision, but i figured id throw in some reasoning behind avoiding the veritas just so you dont feel like there werent any really supported arguements against it.

i did some research on the parts found on the bike and made some conclusions about it.

first off. lets start with the rims. they are made by a company called weinmanns. 90% of the reviews on rims made by this company (out of the several hundred that i read just for kicks and giggles) were poor reviews and either had comments about high weight or the fact that they come out or true very easilly and are in every way flimsy or as in most of the reviews, both.

the breaks, are typical department store issue v-brakes. they will not provide more that moderate stopping power and are most likely prone to failure due to excessive braking.

the bike comes with what looks like a non-cartridge style bb, which is a real pain to work on and maintain in comparison to the typical cartridge style ones used on mid to higher end bikes these days (the style shown are generally only reserved for department store specials these days).

the cranks have a bashguard on them, despite the fact that the frame has a bashplate. while there really isnt much wrong with this, it is a totally unneccessary precaution when you have a bashplate that is somewhat reliable. this just goes to show that they dont really know what they are doing when it comes to spec'ing a bike. same with the identical parts spec for the stock bike and its mod style stem (generally not a practiced thing on most stock bikes, although sometimes seen). it shows that they dont have any experience in the market.

finally. as mentioned for some of the above parts. pretty much every part on this bike is a no name, generic brand part or knockoff of another companies part so there is no way to really know the reliability of the components, other than that they just look flimsy.

there ya go. thats what i see when looking at a veritas mod bike.

-RS

[BenR]

wow, through all the bullshit in there, i think i saw some actual facts (accept for the rebranded tank comment, but il let that slide) if only all your posts were like that my urge to stab you in the face would be slightly less vigorous. :hsugh:

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

ok. i know you have already made your decision, but i figured id throw in some reasoning behind avoiding the veritas just so you dont feel like there werent any really supported arguements against it.

i did some research on the parts found on the bike and made some conclusions about it.

first off. lets start with the rims. they are made by a company called weinmanns. 90% of the reviews on rims made by this company (out of the several hundred that i read just for kicks and giggles) were poor reviews and either had comments about high weight or the fact that they come out or true very easilly and are in every way flimsy or as in most of the reviews, both.

the breaks, are typical department store issue v-brakes. they will not provide more that moderate stopping power and are most likely prone to failure due to excessive braking.

the bike comes with what looks like a non-cartridge style bb, which is a real pain to work on and maintain in comparison to the typical cartridge style ones used on mid to higher end bikes these days (the style shown are generally only reserved for department store specials these days).

the cranks have a bashguard on them, despite the fact that the frame has a bashplate. while there really isnt much wrong with this, it is a totally unneccessary precaution when you have a bashplate that is somewhat reliable. this just goes to show that they dont really know what they are doing when it comes to spec'ing a bike. same with the identical parts spec for the stock bike and its mod style stem (generally not a practiced thing on most stock bikes, although sometimes seen). it shows that they dont have any experience in the market.

finally. as mentioned for some of the above parts. pretty much every part on this bike is a no name, generic brand part or knockoff of another companies part so there is no way to really know the reliability of the components, other than that they just look flimsy.

there ya go. thats what i see when looking at a veritas mod bike.

-RS
NB: i am getting the monty, im just pointing this out

1. rims, i would have gotten there eventually

2. brakes, that listed them as generic, so did the ones on the monty, but since its comming from monty you have to asume they are a decent quality

3. Bashring+ bashplate, i was wondering about that, but i thougth there must be a decent reason i couldnt see

and whats that...facts, i didnt know you could find them mesage boards

p.s. sorry about this thread, but you people are just too much fun to fuck with :D

[ridesoul]

To reiterate, you are a fucking moron and I hope I do invade your house and shoot some common sense into you.easy there tanner. you may think hes an idiot, but hes my fellow Torontonian idiot! give him some slack man! although he may not be the smoothest at getting opinions or reviews about stuff, at least he is trying which, last time i checked, is better than just going out and buying shit and learning later if it sucks or not. its also not like you all have been very supportive of him from the get go! almost every post i have seen in response to any of his questions has been a flame or a "your an idiot" style response. to be honest. it makes the maturity level of these forums look a lot lower than i hope it is!

so in closing. if you want to answer his questions that he still has the courage to post, try to be helpful and leave it at that (not my place to be telling anyone what to do here and not implying just you). if you think hes an idiot. post that you dissagree with him, but dont shove it down his throat man! those are the kinda things that are best off thought about and not posted about.

ill tell you. if i were him, i would not want to get into trials purely based on the fact that it seems so damned impossible to find many trials riders who are actually mature enough to help a new guy out without acting like total assholes!

ok. im done my raving! i also appologize if i offended everyone here, but it just pisses me off that so many people dont give a rats ass about getting more people into the sport and about acting like mature people!

oh and my.ark. dont egg em on either. its not helping your case!

-RS

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

thanks for that ridesoul :blush: no matter how many idiots there are in trials, that wouldnt stop me, for the record. and ya, il lay off, sorry, withdrawl symptons from lack of a working bike, when i get bored i have to do something :p

il do my half, and give an apology to anyone ive offended.

[Tanner]

i think i saw some actual facts (accept for the rebranded tank comment, but il let that slide)

from the biketrials.com review site

Tank Mod Bike (2003)
Overall rating:
Reviewed by 24 BikeTrials.com users - Write a review
Note: This model has been discontinued by the manufacturer. It has been replaced by this bike. (link sends you to the veritas 20" bike)

FUCK ME

[Tanner]

if you think hes an idiot. post that you dissagree with him, but dont shove it down his throat man!
-RS



I HIGHLY doubt he'd get it through his skull any other way.

[ridesoul]

oh come on. he gets it just fine and he agreed to play nice now and stop yanking peoples chains about stuff like that. why cant you do the same? oh for the lost days when people were actually curteous to each other! besides, why does it matter that you make sure he knows you think hes an idiot? do you get some sort of perverse pleasure from that? i mean seriously, in the grand scheme of things, that knowledge means about as much as the pile of shit your dog left on the sidewalk!

im sure we all have better things to do than flame each other! if its important that you get your daily flaming content in. i suggest that you maybe set yourself on fire or sit on a lit bbq or something (i hear it beats shaving your ass hairs and its a lot quicker!)!

-RS

[Elan]

who teh hell argues all the way throughout an entire page? sissies

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

ridesoul, dont fight my battles, i apretiate good word youve put in, but youve got better things to do than try and civilize these guys.

[ridesoul]

oh dont worry. i think there is still plenty of room for you to fight your own battles! knowing you. youll always be creating more battles to fight lol! as for me. in general, it bugs me to see such immaturity sometimes in forums. its not just this topic, i am talking in general.

im just having a stressing day and i couldnt take the flames anymore! maybe in need to get out of the kitchen....er....i mean forum LOL! im sure most of you people are rather mature and helpful when it comes to posting, i just wasnt seeing it today so im sorry if ive been a bit pissy, but what can i say!

-RS

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

i'm really a good boy until someone starts to push my butons, honestimages/smilie/rolleyes.gif

[Genital Apparatus]

im sure most of you people are rather mature and helpful when it comes to posting
Thanks dad. ;)

[ridesoul]

your welcome son! now your grounded!.....oh and im confiscating your tibo! ya...er...cuz its not good for you.....its really suited for father figures such as myself!

-RS

[chronic]

Wow, on this entire second page I think I read a couple lines about duty fee's on top of the other three hundred lines of malicious verbal attacks on one another. For that, I say good job. Or maybe...Ride your bike?

[Tanner]

Wow, on this entire second page I think I read a couple lines about duty fee's on top of the other three hundred lines of malicious verbal attacks on one another. For that, I say good job. Or maybe...Ride your bike?


Well, we wouldn't have that problem if people could comprehend things.

[my.ark.4@gmail.com]

lay off man, you were being vauge and uninformative and i was being sarcastic about it, let it go.

[RomanR]

One more post not about shipping duties and this is getting closed.


my.ark, glad to hear you didn't get the veritas. took some coaxing, but you came through. like everyone has said, that bike would have given you more grief than anything. there's an excellent post in the Buy and Sell section, warning beginners about buying crap under the pretense that it's a good deal. Tank/Veritas are more than famous for being very sub par bikes, you're gonna be much happier with the x-alp.