Motorama 2005.. What's the deelholio

[TrevorBodogh]

Just wondering who's planning on going, and about the following rules:

I have single speed
I have no seat

Wtf are the rules this year.. Are they going to turn me down from the comp after I drive 8 hours to that place and arrive lacking regulation 6 speed and seat?

Thanks..

[DanBowhers]

probably

[poutine]

Lame sause.

[AgrAde]

seat? dubya tee eff mate?

[digby]

The rules are pretty stupid.

but I think your bike would put you in the mod class not stock class. You shouldnt get disqualified or not be allowed to ride, thats retarded.

[DanBowhers]

digby; been to motorama? (honest question) i highly doubt they would allow that. Its a pretty lame event in my opinion, you spend so much and get so little back.

[dkoppric]

i wouldnt say its that lame, ive waited in lines at other competitions and the rules are the rules, and i think thats pretty much the only bad things you could rip on it for.

[TrevorBodogh]

Very good responses. Much help.

ANyhow, motorama is the lames piece of ass in history.. 8 hour drive, around $200 Canadian wasted, but there is going to be a high point this year.. Riding UCI, and making our own comp.. Well the three of us, Jon Chris and myself. So any of you fuckers wanna show up, the more the funn-er it will be.

[Mr_Penut]

Trevor, when are you leaving?

You could potentialy use my busted to fuck xt, somehow jurry rig it with my not used deore pod, and tape a seat to your bike?

[AndyT]

I would possibly waiting for an official response from whoever is putting it on this year.


But that's just me :hsugh:

[Matt]

You should probably direct your questions to the NATS forum located here (http://www.natrials.com/phpBB2/index.php). Not that it will do a damn bit of good.

[JK]

The only way I'll ride is with my mech zip-tied in place. Whoever invented the swtiching gears rule is a complete moron. I'm not going to risk a drivetrain slip when I'm fifteen feet up on a rock section coming down some death line.

I could probably be convinced to go to Motorama, but only because my brother lives in Phila and I want to visit him anyways. What the hell, I'll ride mod class, and no pedal dabs either, that's not even trials.

[digby]

dan - yup, made the trip out there twice now. I had a blast each time I went, if you think of it as just going to get points for nats then I guess it is kind of a lame comp, but going on group rides with people from everywhere, getting to meet everyone and partying at the radisson makes up for it. though its still a crapload of money to spend for a weekend of bike riding. I got raped on the airline bike box charge every single time too.


I'm not really sure what they'd say about the derailleur thing and riding in mod, but I'm guessing its pretty much the same as trying to ride a 24 inch bike. I remember reading the rules a long time ago and they are whack. A monty with 25 inch rear rim and no seat is considered fine for stock class, but singlespeeds arent. Stupid. Ive been running singlespeed for about 5 months now, best thing I ever did to the bike.

[WhiteRavenKS]

i want to ride a trike or a big wheels and see what class i get put in.

i guess i dont understand why the rules are hard to follow (there isnt one about seats). i also dont understand why the geared bike rule exists- its archaic and silly. who is going to fold, the riders or the promoters... maybe since the promoters are the ones doing the work to put on an event we should just follow their words for now?

[MikeTheBike]

Okay, I wondered when this would get brought up. Yes, Motorama 2004 sucked worse than ever before. Heck, I, myself, vowed way back in 2001 that I would never go back until the event was improved. Long story short, these two reasons are why I put in my bid to be Event Director for 2005.

Alright, so now you're asking yourself, "So, who the hell is Mike Friddell?" Right?! I don't want to toot my own horn but just to give you some background: I've been in trials since 1993. I've finished as high as fourth in Expert in NATS. I moved to Tennessee in 2002 and started organizing my own competitions. In 2003 and 2004, I solely ran the NATS event at the Trials Training Center in Sequatchie, TN, including several other events.

But, don't take my word for it. Ask around and/or search these forums -- my events are well run.

Anyway, I say all this to finally make a public announcement that I, Mike Friddell, have been working very hard for the past three weeks to be the Event Director of the best Motorama event yet. Don't get me wrong, this is not yet set in stone. As I say, I am working on it. At this point, I will not make any guarantees because there are still too many things up in the air.

Here are a few of the things I expect to achieve:

Reduced entry fees for both pre-registration and day-of
Sections with better quality and appearance
More stringent start and end times
Less waiting at each section
6 Pro/Expert sections by 2 loops; 4 Sport/Beg. sections by 3 loops
No motorcycles during bicycle competition
3-5 obstacles for practice
Cash purse for Pros; Trophies for 1-3 in every other class
Admittedly, there are a whole lot of caveats and effort underlying these intentions. In the end, if you trust my abilities, please attend Motorama in 2005. I pledge to you all that I will do my best.

Concerning the single-speed issue, NATS is planning to have a meeting in January to make this decision. My personal opinion is in favor of single-speed inclusion but the decision can only be formalized by committee.

[tomacropod]

yay !

do we need to bring our American passports to get NATS points ?

- Joel

[BenR]

I'll be there.

[B1105]

I may go if i hear enough people going, otherwise i would not go to harrisburg or whatever

[RyanMcVicker]

Is there an organized website with motorama info on it??

Where, when?

[RomanC]

Do a quick search on google. Motorama is huge event where trials is just a small part.

[DanBowhers]

best part of motorama is the company, worst part of motorama, well i am not sure where to begin. I didnt have fun at this event in the past, and wont be planning on heading back there...

[MegamoMidwest]

but dan, what if I go? will that make you change your mind?

[hopsalot]

About that derailer thing, there is a comp comming up soon (feb.) that won't require them.

[Ed Gildea]

its not happining. those moto guys fucked shit up last year.

[DanBowhers]

Paul if you go, I will go too and ride my street bike in sport class

[MegamoMidwest]

sick, ill bring my XC, itll be a riot.

[DanBowhers]

actually i am just gonna lawn mower race

[mikemad23]

how much is it to ride? do i nead a nats membership?

[MikeTheBike]

its not happining. those moto guys fucked shit up last year.
Um, Ed, please explain what you are talking about. If you're trying to say that Motorama 2005 is not happening, I must assume you are speculating because I am the final say in that matter. Also, you might want to qualify your statements that the 2004 Motorama didn't go well because of something the MotoTrials guys did. I have personally spoken with all but three or four of the people involved with the event this past Feb. and have concluded that the shortcomings were most definitely not the fault of the MotoTrials people. I can empathize that if you were there then you might have gotten that impression but you must consider that you probably were not made aware of all of the underlying details.

I do not mean this as a personal attack on you, Ed. I merely want to offer some clarity to anyone that might be confused.

[MikeTheBike]

how much is it to ride? do i nead a nats membership?
The value has not yet been finalized. However, I can assure you that I will be doing everything I can to make sure you do not have to pay an entry fee for the BikeTrial in addition to an entry fee to the Farm Show Complex. Also, just as in years past, keep in mind that it will be much cheaper to pre-register.

They are still working on it but the Motorama Association's website is http://www.motoramaassoc.com/ . I have no idea how long before it is completed.

There is no such thing as a NATS membership. The primary purpose of NATS is to provide points tallies for the championship. If you go to enough events, you qualify for the championship. See http://www.natrials.com/ for more info.

[trialsbug]

Um, Ed, please explain what you are talking about. If you're trying to say that Motorama 2005 is not happening, I must assume you are speculating because I am the final say in that matter. Also, you might want to qualify your statements that the 2004 Motorama didn't go well because of something the MotoTrials guys did. I have personally spoken with all but three or four of the people involved with the event this past Feb. and have concluded that the shortcomings were most definitely not the fault of the MotoTrials people. I can empathize that if you were there then you might have gotten that impression but you must consider that you probably were not made aware of all of the underlying details.

I do not mean this as a personal attack on you, Ed. I merely want to offer some clarity to anyone that might be confused.
I think Ed's comment is about the end of the event last year. The moto guys started riding before we were done. Also we were forced to give out awards in a crowded hallway because the moto guys had taken over the arena. I don't think this was the fault of the motoguys. If the event had been better organized then we would have been finished long before the moto guys came to ride.

Speaking of organization, I have been to 4 of Mike's events. He takes these events very seriously and he is well prepared when its time for the comp to start. His sections are well thought out and the events have run very smoothly.

I am looking forward to Motorama '05. I think Motorama '04 was a low point for the NATS community due to various problems and I am sure that Mike will do whatever it takes to make this event much better then last year. He may still run into unforseen problems, but he will be prepared to handle them.

[MikeTheBike]

Thanx a bunch, Chuck. I will do everything I can.

Concerning the issue with the end of the 2004 event, as I have heard from several horse's mouths, Chuck's assessment is quite correct. Since the bicycles started 2 hours late, the end of the event ran over 2 hours late. The Moto guys had already paid for a clinic that was supposed to start 1 hour after the scheduled end of the bicycles. It was the bicycles whom were infringing on the motorcycles by not adhering to their schedule, not the other way around.

You all have to understand that the Motorama event has a lot of things going on at the same time and, in order for it all to work, everyone needs to abide by their stated intentions. For my 2005 event, there will be a very strict set of guidelines and schedule for both the riders and the organizers (i.e. me).

[Darren]

Mike you seem like a great guy and it sounds like this years motorama will be awesome if everything goes according to plan, so I might start planning to make the drive down from Ottawa On. I hope everything goes smoothly, good luck with your planning, and thanks for making the effort you are.

[MikeTheBike]

Thanx, Darren. I look forward to meeting you.

[RomanR]

I second what Darren said. I look forward to reading the final details Mike, and I'll plan heading down there too.

[think]

Mike,

If you run Motorama, I might reconsider the oath I swore last year to never ride Motorama again.

Will you have a class for single speed stocks?

elgin S imple
deep S mart
skcot S afe

[MikeTheBike]

Mike,

If you run Motorama, I might reconsider the oath I swore last year to never ride Motorama again.

Will you have a class for single speed stocks?

elgin S imple
deep S mart
skcot S afe

You should. I, myself, once made an oath to never go back to Motorama until it improved. So, now I'm going to make it better.

As for the single speed issue, I do have to abide by the NATS rules since this is NATS points event. However, there is a lot of discussion about this and several other issues amongst the NATS officials. It is quite possible, in fact, very likely, that single speeds will be allowed. I expect we will make a formal announcement of the 2005 NATS Rules in January.

[eeBER]

The Moto guys had already paid for a clinic that was supposed to start 1 hour after the scheduled end of the bicycles. It was the bicycles whom were infringing on the motorcycles by not adhering to their schedule, not the other way around.not for nothin but i been to just about every motorama and the moto guys always start up towards the end.. usually they've stoped for a few minutes while we do our awards.. but they're always there.. mmmmmm 2 stroke

[mikeschiavone]

ill be at the mo show.

if your in it for the people/friendships, its a great event.

if your in it for the riding, mr friddell has promised good riding.

if your in it for the cars, its MOTOR-fucking-RAMA.

oh yea, wonderbread skinsuit. nuff said.