Does Anyone Have The Pictures of The Upcoming ZOO! 20"?

[Ruburn]

:) Hmmm... if anyone has it please post it here!!!
Thanks A MilliOn:bigthumb:

[RomanR]

http://www.zoobike.com/python.htm


scroll down these 2 pages:

http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=41816&page=124&pp=25

http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=41816&page=125&pp=25

[Ruburn]

Thanx RomanR! But i'm sorry, its not the python its something else!

[Totaltrials]

If your going to get a new frame get this one it is soooo nice and well designed, just wait till you see it man, awsome.
Phil.

[fjas]

I second that! Saw the pictures last night and i cant wait to ride one.

[average mike]

I second that! Saw the pictures last night and i cant wait to ride one.
Post them?

[cousinkenni]

6 more pictures on zoobike.com in better quality

[cousinkenni]

New Pitbull design also!

[AndyT]

people need to realize that absolutely NO ONE can see anything on zoobike, so please save it to your hard drives and upload on this site.

[cousinkenni]

Andrew, it wasn't working about 5 minutes ago, but it should work now.


Ken T.

[average mike]

http://www.zoobike.com/images/python/1.jpg

Goddamn. Actually looks pretty awesome. The seattube/seatstays thing kinda looks a little overkill though.

edit: go here for more pics:

http://www.zoobike.com/images/python/2.jpg
http://www.zoobike.com/images/python/3.jpg
http://www.zoobike.com/images/python/4.jpg
http://www.zoobike.com/images/python/5.jpg
http://www.zoobike.com/images/python/6.jpg

[cousinkenni]

How's this,


If it still doesn't work for you I will post the pictures in about fifteen minutes. I just gotta take care of some science stuff here at work first.

Ken T.

[RomanR]

All from the Zoo site:

Pitbull 2005 will be available on 1st October.


The geometry is design by Neil Tennicliffe [mispelled!!]. The most important improve is the one piece chainstay yoke, it give the bike a super short rear end. You can do the bunny hop easy on this 1080 wheel base bike.

The Huge side plates weld on the yoke directly, the BB section is very ridge. The CNC side plates support the seat stays uder the brake mounts, you get a powerful rear brake. Specail design CNC dropouts have lardge welding with tubes, the hangers has back support, also.



http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/newpitbull1.jpg

http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/newpitbull2.jpg

http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/newpitbull3.jpg

http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/newpitbull4.jpg

http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/newpitbull5.jpg

[BenR]

Wow that is the sweetest bike ive seen. is the geometry different from the last models?

[pete]

Oh dear christ.

That bike looks like it came straight off the drafting table of George Jetson.

Apparently Trials is experiencing a period where CNC'd parts are becoming a fetish.

Fortunately for consumers, this technology actually makes sense.

I'm afraid to know what they are going to charge for this.

[Bloodhound]

wow...

Zoo/Echo are advancing SO fast in the trials industry. Look how far the company has come in the last year or so. This is just another huge step, but I wont make assumptions, lets wait and find out.

[poutine]

nice bb stay yoke deng you faggot use your own shit!

your getting lame.

Wen i say the pics slowly i said wow sick stuff they actually not copy nothing estetically then i notice the yoke.

POOOOOKKKAAAAIII!!!!!!

[Rob.K]

Poutine almost all the posts I have seen you make are negative name calling shit. Please refrain from being an asshole.

This bike is just beutifull. Looks like a lot of effort was put into this and the outcome is awsome. Way to go Zoo, I just hope it rides as well as it looks.

[netto]

O
M
G
i must have that

[WhiteRavenKS]

wow, that actually doesnt look like diarhea. im must say, im impressed.

[poutine]

Poutine almost all the posts I have seen you make are negative name calling shit. Please refrain from being an asshole.

This bike is just beutifull. Looks like a lot of effort was put into this and the outcome is awsome. Way to go Zoo, I just hope it rides as well as it looks.
so does andrew ( well not always but known for same attitude)


wats your probleme im not allowed to say deng did a gay thing as using the exact same yoke of me bicycle!

[afrobot]

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ROOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OMFG !! someone graduated finally in design school and the french are now one step behind.

I'm gonna get ZOO tatoo'd on my scrotum..Really!!

[BenR]

There is two different grometry to choose with the python now.

One that Craig lee Scott designed has a 1045 mm wheelbase and 375mm chainstays that weighs 1.8 kg.

And another that Yao Zhi designed that has 1005 mm wheelbase and 362 mm chainstays and weighs only 1.6 kg.

The only thing I don't really like about it is that it doesn't have a bashguard, they could've at least put mounts on for it for people who want it.

At least they make a smaller version of it now for smaller people.

[poutine]

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ROOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OMFG !! someone graduated finally in design school and the french are now one step behind.

I'm gonna get ZOO tatoo'd on my scrotum..Really!!

also using the cnc mill :rofl:


imagine wat the french well have for us next year.......

[AndyT]

Thank god Roman, zoo is inaccessible.


Poutine is hilarious, member of the month imo.

[trialskid14]

they better not runin it by putting those lime green stickers

[BenR]

I liked the lime green stickers. Made it look unique.

[Elan]

who cars, take off stickers. stickers come off. stickers arent permanent. o m g.

[Matt]

I think it looks amazing. I'll be looking into them shortly. :bigthumb:

[AndyT]

I think it looks great as well, how functional are those huge things though :dunno:

[justin]

wow thats sooooooooooo nice !!!

[Peace]

please god/deng may there be an option for Vee mounts! otherwise fuck off!
it looks fuckin awesome though! definitely beats the Ruthless!
Peace

[poutine]

i dunno if thats a good thing or a bad thing there adrew.

[AndyT]

poutine- have you heard of the exploits of PING PONG and her sister CHING CHANG?

[poutine]

:gaybar: :gaybar: :gaybar: :gaybar: :gaybar: :gaybar: :gaybar:

[fjas]

I think it looks great as well, how functional are those huge things though :dunno:

On the python they are mostly for looks, on the 26" they give a stiffer rear triangle than the old design with tubes.

You can expect a lot of CNC stuff from Deng now, he makes all the CNC suff himself w/ his new fancy machine and in co. with a new engenieer (how do you spell that?)

[fjas]

Picture that show the internals of the prototype hub, the production version will have 250 eng.points. This is high friction-stuff!

http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/hub1.jpg
Internals are all steel, and will be heavy. But who cares about that :dunno:

[fjas]

Some shoots of the new python:
http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/20-bb-jietou.jpg
http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/20pyth.jpg
http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/20dropout.jpg

[bwagner]

It's nice to see some slightly more original designs from them. I'm a big fan of the olders models, but mainly becuase they were nice bikes and at nice prices. I'm willing to bet these will be fair priced also, just the nature of the company I think. I hope it proves that just because the frame uses cn technology, the bike doesn't have to cost as much as a damn CNC machine! I'm looking forward to people bashing them(figuratively)less than in the past. I hope to see more from them soon, that hub also looks to be nice and simple. Good work

[fjas]

The prices will be slightly higher, but still far away from the koxx and coustellier level.

[AndyT]

coordination or cooperation fjas?


Looking good, no longer a copy....maybe all my stirring up made him man up and get some nice shit out.

[WhiteRavenKS]

i hope the production hub has spoke holes! just kidding.

so a mod with no bashplate eh? interesting. i guess that gives you some motivation to never try to go to bash right? i assume they are just having it run with stock cranks with a tiny itty bitty useless bashring.

also, the reason people were baggin on zoo before is because they were completely unoriginal crap. they did fill a big void in the market though which is why they took off. now that they are starting to understand how people were seeing them they are coming out with more innovative stuff. i am glad to see it because this will do more for the sports technology than simply offering a discounted look-a-like.

[Ruburn]

woOOOoooOOoo... getting the python end of this month! its so darn sweet, i have to try it! ZOO!RuleZz..

[hophopsnap]

Looks good, but I think some wicked stickers would add to the cnc craftsmanships. Maybe black old english letters...duno

[Cryo-Cube]

I dont know, yeah its something new but i doubt its worth it.
Most of the current available frames are strong enough to last years and the stiffness never was a problem (like it would hold someone back from going big or progressing).

So the only thing justifying the cnc parts & all the welding is "the feeling" of a stiffer frame and the looks.

[Ebon Dragon]

koxx is so screwed if those bikes costs less, are stronger, and are accually quality. zoo seems to be getting better... wonder if anything will happen with echo?

[Peace]

they are the same quality, the factorys are like next door to each other! Koxx just thinks they are a "premium" brand.
That hub looks like its gonna be mean! and we dont really care about rolling resistance, we already run huge sticky tires at 10-15psi hehe. Looks like it would make a nice sound!
Peace

[Lil RomEo]

Looks better than the old ones. The new echos look good to. Why did they keep making the pure with no CNC?

[ben@slctrials.com]

Looks better than the old ones. The new echos look good to. Why did they keep making the pure with no CNC?
cause the new pures are not out yet.....

[Elan]

i could never bring myself to buy a zoo....

[uownme]

Gotta keep up the fad of riding a koxx, Elan?

Just busting ya balls...

[AgrAde]

i'm actually sad that there is no longer an echo/zoo importer for NZ anymore?

but fuck that hub, i don't trust echo/zoo with anything but frames and bars.

[uownme]

i'm actually sad that there is no longer an echo/zoo importer for NZ anymore?

but fuck that hub, i don't trust echo/zoo with anything but frames and bars.

There sure is alot of close minded people on this forum..

[[BMF] Chris]

i didnt read any of this thread, but it looks like that thing has a freaking motor mount, so its the first biketrials/mototrials bike yet, go zoo!!!!!!!

[echoteam13]

anyone know the geo for the stock? (my pitbull1090 is beginning to feel quite inferior now)

[Matt]

anyone know the geo for the stock? (my pitbull1090 is beginning to feel quite inferior now)
So far I think the only information is that it will have a 1080mm wheelbase and 375mm chainstays.

[AgrAde]

There sure is alot of close minded people on this forum..

their reputation isn't exactly good is it? especially not in new zealand. every single fixed hub echo brought into this country died. most of the echo cranks did (i think i have one of the only stock pairs still going - yaay) all of the BBs that deng sent were too short, the next batch fell apart like they were made of maltezers and dried pasta. the headsets were no different.
deng doesn't give a shit AT ALL, my mate has now ditched echo/zoo and is getting his own parts with 'speed race' frames. the frames don't look half bad, so i'm not really complaining.

i forgot, i'd trust their forks and stems too. but apparently nothing with moving parts.

i wouldn't touch that hub with a 10 foot pole unless it had been out for a year and was holding up.

[netto]

my echo stuff is still working fine
:P
my echo cranks have no problem.....my hubs run pretty smooth

[Totaltrials]

their reputation isn't exactly good is it? especially not in new zealand. every single fixed hub echo brought into this country died. most of the echo cranks did (i think i have one of the only stock pairs still going - yaay) all of the BBs that deng sent were too short, the next batch fell apart like they were made of maltezers and dried pasta. the headsets were no different.
deng doesn't give a shit AT ALL, my mate has now ditched echo/zoo and is getting his own parts with 'speed race' frames. the frames don't look half bad, so i'm not really complaining.

i forgot, i'd trust their forks and stems too. but apparently nothing with moving parts.

i wouldn't touch that hub with a 10 foot pole unless it had been out for a year and was holding up.
well the fact that the bb's echo use are made by VP same with the headsets, the cranks are fine for a lot of other people, maybe you cannot tighten them properly.
And this new hub has been made well, they have changed the fixed rear hub now because they understand there where problems so it got changed asap, he does care, you just know jack shit.

The new zoos are awsome, the cranks look nice too.

Phil.

[trials-online]

why did i have to go and buy the first gen python , oh well it rides sweet , and i bet the new one is sex

[AgrAde]

well the fact that the bb's echo use are made by VP same with the headsets, the cranks are fine for a lot of other people, maybe you cannot tighten them properly.
And this new hub has been made well, they have changed the fixed rear hub now because they understand there where problems so it got changed asap, he does care, you just know jack shit.

The new zoos are awsome, the cranks look nice too.

Phil.

if the VP bb's are too short for the frame, and all of them die very quickly for trials use it shows that you should not use them for a trials bike, right? has he changed anything? no.
the cranks died at the freewheel threading, and seeing that nearly all but mine died in this country, i highly doubt that it was the rider's fault - its definitely not mine anyway.
how do you know that the hub is made well? i doubt you do. but going on their previous reputation of sending out loads of seemingly untested parts, i would never trust this hub until it had been used by the public for a while and recieved a good reputation.

i know more than jack shit, i know the importer that ditched echo because of their incredibly shoddy business practice (deng being a fag), low quality of parts and the fact that they don't even work together (hub, cassette, brake mounts, bb, headset)

when this guy got up deng's arse about the problems with the bikes he basically said "so? i'm still selling lots of shit, not my problem" and stopped responding after that.

i'm not trusting parts from a company like that until they are proven to be good.

(is this off topic? - sorry if it is)

[AndyT]

Nah its not off topic- I heard Ping Pong turned some good tricks this month and deng could afford a new CNC machine.



GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ping PONG

[Totaltrials]

if the VP bb's are too short for the frame, and all of them die very quickly for trials use it shows that you should not use them for a trials bike, right? has he changed anything? no.
the cranks died at the freewheel threading, and seeing that nearly all but mine died in this country, i highly doubt that it was the rider's fault - its definitely not mine anyway.
how do you know that the hub is made well? i doubt you do. but going on their previous reputation of sending out loads of seemingly untested parts, i would never trust this hub until it had been used by the public for a while and recieved a good reputation.

i know more than jack shit, i know the importer that ditched echo because of their incredibly shoddy business practice (deng being a fag), low quality of parts and the fact that they don't even work together (hub, cassette, brake mounts, bb, headset)

when this guy got up deng's arse about the problems with the bikes he basically said "so? i'm still selling lots of shit, not my problem" and stopped responding after that.

i'm not trusting parts from a company like that until they are proven to be good.

(is this off topic? - sorry if it is)
Well you know jack all, because the VP BB's come in 127.5 length, so your importer obvioulsy fucked up with his order. I have used the vp bb and headset on my mod and they are dam good, no problems, also the cranks are good too.

I do actually know the hub is made well because i've been kept up to date by deng himself all through the production of the hub, we have had numerous of chats about how it's made and all the testing and practices he has gone through to make it a good hub.

I'm not sure about the cranks and the thread then, there are many of them which are fine, and all the cinese riders use them without all these problems, so you must be gammy or something or just unlucky.

So I don't think anything you have said is really true, i think you just have a big grudge because of your importer having problems which I have no idea what he's on about, because Ive been talking to Deng for 2.5 years now and he has never said a bad word and has always been helpfull with me, he's a great guy, and won't make "shoddy parts" mainly for the reason he is a rider along with the people he nkows and he wants everything to be the best.

Phil.

[AndyT]

Phil, you have to agreet that the original echo cranks were total piss....

[Totaltrials]

Nah its not off topic- I heard Ping Pong turned some good tricks this month and deng could afford a new CNC machine.



GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ping PONG
Haha, lol, Deng uses shed loads of CNC machines and hed loads of highly skilled engineers, deng is actually a highly skilled engineer himself and has been for many years, so he knows what he's doing anyway.

Phil.

[AgrAde]

Nah its not off topic- I heard Ping Pong turned some good tricks this month and deng could afford a new CNC machine.



GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ping PONG

:rofl:

totaltrials, its good to see you're pleased with your echo parts. it just sucks that noone here is. :ugh2:

[Totaltrials]

Phil, you have to agreet that the original echo cranks were total piss....
To be honest I havn't hard of any problems with them, and mine are sound, I know that them black echo cranks with a bit of machining down the middle had some problems so they just jibbed them off and made some other ones just silver, which are sound.

I do know that if echo make something which doesn't work out they will just stop them straight away and change them, they don't make stuff intentially to fuck people about.

I just hate narrow mindedness and people only hearing one side of a story.

Phil.

[AndyT]

I'm talking about the very very first ones, the wierd shaped ones (which were only sold for a VERY short time- front freewheel only).

I have said nothing bad about their practices, if those last comments were towards me.



Do you have any pics of PING PONG?

[Elan]

Gotta keep up the fad of riding a koxx, Elan?

Just busting ya balls...
by then it wont be a fad....

the reason is, i am at odds with zoo's business ethics, i will never rock the zoo logo unless its free. they will never get $1 from me.... echo might though..at least i wont feel guilty.

[Totaltrials]

I'm talking about the very very first ones, the wierd shaped ones (which were only sold for a VERY short time- front freewheel only).

I have said nothing bad about their practices, if those last comments were towards me.



Do you have any pics of PING PONG?
Alrite, erm, I dunno what cranks you mean then, I thought the black ones with a bit of machining where the first ones out, dunno, echo's stuff is very reliable today tho.

the comments where aimed at agrage narrow mindedness etc etc, no hard feelings tho.

I'll get a picture if you desire :hsugh:

phil

[AndyT]

yes! I'll put her in my av :naughty:

and phil, note i wrote:

Phil, you have to agreet that the original echo cranks were total piss....

and elan- YOU OWNED A ZOO REMMEMBERS

[Elan]

yes, the first zoo product ever made.... which was way before the pitbul .. thank you very much

[Totaltrials]

http://www.trials-nation.com/large.php?file=j048177jlhn9ndp5k8hckp0cg.jpg


There they are on a group ride, Guess who Deng is.

that kinda shows his great intention for trials as a sport to progress while he still has his fun lifestyle with trials evn in his busy life.

Phil.

[Totaltrials]

yes! I'll put her in my av :naughty:

and phil, note i wrote:



and elan- YOU OWNED A ZOO REMMEMBERS
Ok, ive lost you now "i'll put her in my av" forget it lol, i thought you where talking about old deng, but you have the lot there.

Phil.

[Elan]

deng is one of the Azns...?

[crescentrider]

i think the frame is ugly and impractical..

and hey, lets make our trials bikes look even wierder!

[AgrAde]

agrage narrow mindedness
i don't think it's narrow mindedness, i go from my personal experiences. and if i see a bunch of poop parts break then someone on the internet telling me they're good isn't going to change my mind. and if someone is an asshole to me or someone i know (read: the whole new zealand trials community), then someone on the internet isn't going to change the fact that i think they're an asshole is it.

i love my pure, echo bars/stem, zoo forks and echo rim though - i'm not saying they're entirely shit :momaru:

[Totaltrials]

i don't think it's narrow mindedness, i go from my personal experiences. and if i see a bunch of poop parts break then someone on the internet telling me they're good isn't going to change my mind. and if someone is an asshole to me or someone i know (read: the whole new zealand trials community), then someone on the internet isn't going to change the fact that i think they're an asshole is it.

i love my pure, echo bars/stem, zoo forks and echo rim though - i'm not saying they're entirely shit :momaru:
Ok, fair enough, I take that comment back, It was a bit harsh I suppose, soz mate.

Phil.

[AgrAde]

no problem, thats what the internet is made for. or something.

can't help but want that python :(

[Matt]

To be honest I havn't hard of any problems with them, and mine are sound, I know that them black echo cranks with a bit of machining down the middle had some problems so they just jibbed them off and made some other ones just silver, which are sound.

I do know that if echo make something which doesn't work out they will just stop them straight away and change them, they don't make stuff intentially to fuck people about.

I just hate narrow mindedness and people only hearing one side of a story.

Phil.
I agree with you on this, and to be honest - this is the reason Echo and ZOO! are both floating around in my head as an option for my next bike. Echo may not have started out on the right foot with a lot of their parts and a lot of their original stuff broke pretty frequently. What has really impressed me was that as soon as reports of broken parts started floating around, their next components were right around the corner and they were reinforced where the old ones broke and redesigned to be better. I know I haven't been a big proponent of ZOO! and Echo parts in the past, but as the times change, so must my opinion. Echo stuff is always getting better... to the point that in my opinion, they're as reliable as Koxx - and they're cheaper, lighter, and I think the pure rides better! As long as things don't change too much, when the time comes for my next frame, I'm going to get what I think rides the best. I don't see any differences between Koxx and ZOO! or echo in build quality anymore. The pure seems to be unbreakable, that has impressed me a ton.

[AndyT]

I wonder if I will ride better on my pure than my XTP :momaru:


find out tomorrow :o

[nidoss]

Gonna place a order for a echo team here in a day or two =)

[Greg]

"The pure seems to be unbreakable, that has impressed me a ton"
Sorry to disagree with you Matt but I have actually seen one that has broken.
Tried to get a change for it from Deng but the reply was that he couldn't help me with this problem.
Maybe because this was a first generation Pure?! dunno.
But I import the Echo and ZOO stuff here in hungary and there hasn't benn ANY problem with them here!
We are satisfied with their products and their prices.
Keep up the good work ZOO and Echo!!

[Matt]

"The pure seems to be unbreakable, that has impressed me a ton"
Sorry to disagree with you Matt but I have actually seen one that has broken.
Tried to get a change for it from Deng but the reply was that he couldn't help me with this problem.
Maybe because this was a first generation Pure?! dunno.
But I import the Echo and ZOO stuff here in hungary and there hasn't benn ANY problem with them here!
We are satisfied with their products and their prices.
Keep up the good work ZOO and Echo!!
Seeing as how you're from Hungary, I'll just assume you misunderstood me. When I said it seems to be unbreakable I meant that it seems the likelihood of breaking one if you own one slim to none. I'm sure a few have broken, but I haven't seen any or heard of any breaking until just now. You also said that you haven't had any problems with them in Hungary, and you're the importer.

[Greg]

Seeing as how you're from Hungary, I'll just assume you misunderstood me. When I said it seems to be unbreakable I meant that it seems the likelihood of breaking one if you own one slim to none. I'm sure a few have broken, but I haven't seen any or heard of any breaking until just now. You also said that you haven't had any problems with them in Hungary, and you're the importer. Lets just say that it was toooo late when I posted my thing and that's why I misunderstood! :D
Yep absolutely no problem with them until now,execpt this little thing...
But hey things brake...
So all you koxx and other buyiers don't pull down a good brand just because their ideas are not original!!!
This excludes you Mat and everybody else who didn't say a bad word about them.
Ohh and my reply to that "VP stuff is not relyable" is that check out their prices and then you will find out why they are not exactly the thoughest stuff on the market.

[AgrAde]

Ohh and my reply to that "VP stuff is not relyable" is that check out their prices and then you will find out why they are not exactly the thoughest stuff on the market.

would you sell a downhill bike with plastic pedals? i mean, they're cheaper right?

[Rob.K]

I agree with you on this, and to be honest - this is the reason Echo and ZOO! are both floating around in my head as an option for my next bike. Echo may not have started out on the right foot with a lot of their parts and a lot of their original stuff broke pretty frequently. What has really impressed me was that as soon as reports of broken parts started floating around, their next components were right around the corner and they were reinforced where the old ones broke and redesigned to be better. I know I haven't been a big proponent of ZOO! and Echo parts in the past, but as the times change, so must my opinion. Echo stuff is always getting better... to the point that in my opinion, they're as reliable as Koxx - and they're cheaper, lighter, and I think the pure rides better! As long as things don't change too much, when the time comes for my next frame, I'm going to get what I think rides the best. I don't see any differences between Koxx and ZOO! or echo in build quality anymore. The pure seems to be unbreakable, that has impressed me a ton.:werd: My opinion has changed in the exact same way as yours. THe pure may be a next bike for me as I am so impressed with its quality and geo. Not to mention echos parts which I only have a few of but am extremely impressed with the finish and quality. Echo seems to be at the top of the list in the trials world and there are many good reasons for that.