Echo Control

[cousinkenni]

Yo,

Check out it built up. I think it looks pretty sweet. Especially since it will probably only cost $550-600 frame only and like $1300 for a complete bike.

*prices based on other echo and zoo products.

Ken T.

[cousinkenni]

Forgot to add the link, Oh hell just go to Echobike.com!

[Rob.K]

for those who are too lazy to look there.

The booster is cool and the frame also comes in a 1065mm wheelbase if 1085mm is too much for ya.

http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/TN-control-sideview.jpg
http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/TN-control-booster.jpg
http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/TN-control-backview.jpg

[B1105]

To me, that frame seeems exactly like a Koxx LB just from looks, and their about the same price.

[tzimon]

Much lower standover, cnc plates at BB, and cnc dropouts. Is there a new Level Boss out with this stuff now? I've been a little off track lately.

..oh yeah. I like it. It's a damn fine lookin bike.

[Rob.K]

Much lower standover, cnc plates at BB, and cnc dropouts. Is there a new Level Boss out with this stuff now? I've been a little off track lately......higher BB, thicker tubes at the headtube...

I would say it does not look like a Levelboss.

[tzimon]

.....higher BB, thicker tubes at the headtube...

I would say it does not look like a Levelboss.
Forgot those parts too..

A level boss it is definitely not.

[WhiteRavenKS]

that shoter wheelbase option just made this model ten times more awesome than it was before.

edit- if there were a vee version like they have with the pures i would probably wet my bed.

[B1105]

my bad about calling it a levelboss

a v brake version would be sweet

[hophopsnap]

God, those tires are ugly, but whatever.
I might look into one down the road..instead of a Koxx..

And I'm guessing v-brakes are the latest and greatest?

[Rob.K]

And I'm guessing v-brakes are the latest and greatest?
No! it's just a great option to have. Not everyone wants Maggies for obvious reasons.

[hophopsnap]

I should try some v-brakes sometime..can you lock them up as easy with the same pull?

[Rob.K]

I should try some v-brakes sometime..can you lock them up as easy with the same pull?
A well set up V with a grind and good pads has arguably a better lockup than a mag. But I love my maggie, the fealing just outbeats any cable brake. Give them a try HOPHOP you may like that really stiff fealing. But that's the thing. Everybody likes their brake to feal a different way and that is why a V brake option is a great idea.

[WhiteRavenKS]

i like my brakes to work. which is why i like vees but lets not get into that discussion. it would be awesome if they made this frame in not only two sizes but vee/maggie mounts as well. i would love to see that. i woudl love to see that from more frames.

[Elan]

noice... if i didnt want a koxx so bad, this bike would be awesome.

[hophopsnap]

Well I do try to set-up my hs33 with almost no pull...but yeah it looks real nice..I should look into it in a few years when I outgrow this 1060 pure.

^_^ my bike is a "classic" now bwaahaha

[DanBowhers]

HOLY CRAP! HOW DOES ECHO KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES AND KEEP THEIR PAINT JOBS SO INNOVATIVE?

[WhiteRavenKS]

by reading intelectual discusions on the internet. thats how.

[sebLG]

the one on that phil guy's site looks way better ;) like here and stuff (http://www.le-trial.com/le_bikes_folder/philsbike.htm) i like the echo control. but i like my bt betterer. and thats a frame that comes in mag or vee :p

http://www.le-trial.com/le_bikes_folder/phil/echocontrol/controlbike1_lge.jpg

[hophopsnap]

he needs brighter grips, and red skewers, and red front rim..

[sebLG]

he sure ... dosnt.

[fjas]

that shoter wheelbase option just made this model ten times more awesome than it was before.
edit- if there were a vee version like they have with the pures i would probably wet my bed.

Hey kev, there is a slight chance that you need to wear incontinense dipers to bed. I`m not 100% sure, but i`ll find out.

[AndyT]

Anyone have insight in how that +20mm bb would feel :hs:

[Rob.K]

Anyone have insight in how that +20mm bb would feel :hs:
I'm having doubts!! considering how good the low bb on the T-Pro feals to me. I don't know how I could ride a bike being so far away from the ground. Although the clearance would be nice!!

[WhiteRavenKS]

they have a high bb partly because of that rediculous pure fork. my bike rode like crap with that fork- as soon as i put something else on it instantly got better. i would think with the urban or any other lower stacked fork it would be down to 0-10mm rise bb.

anyone have an idea how a 3 inch bb rise feels.... vinco?

[digby]

anyone have an idea how a 3 inch bb rise feels.... vinco?
put a shock on it and flip your stem over.

[Rob.K]

they have a high bb partly because of that rediculous pure fork. my bike rode like crap with that fork- as soon as i put something else on it instantly got better. i would think with the urban or any other lower stacked fork it would be down to 0-10mm rise bb.

anyone have an idea how a 3 inch bb rise feels.... vinco?
That's a good point!!

I remember with the BT Ravens the same thing happened because the geo was based around the "Pure" fork and it had a bb hight of 10mm. But I beleive it was RomanC who calculated it with a regular 400mm fork and the bb was slightly below zero.

Anyway it would be interesting to ride one. They look nicer than the Pure IMO.

[AndyT]

What kind of bb rise do those pures i keep borrowing have? 1080 w/pure fork?

[Rob.K]

What kind of bb rise do those pures i keep borrowing have? 1080 w/pure fork?
Even!
I rode one with a pure fork.

The new Pure 1085mm is supposed to have 10+ with a Pure fork.

[WhiteRavenKS]

put a shock on it and flip your stem over.
my 'dh race' bike doesnt have a bb as high as the vinco frame.

[uownme]

Anyone ridden it yet? Wondering if it really is as stiff as it supposed to be..

edit: What is the medium geo with urban (~400mm) fork?