Pics of the new Koxx frames!!!!

[DangerousDave]

http://www.koxx.fr/website/images/kxdays2004/album/images/3_jpg.jpg

http://www.koxx.fr/website/images/kxdays2004/album/images/4_jpg.jpg

http://koxx.fr/website/images/kxdays2004/album/images/6_jpg.jpg


I want Caissos bike!

[average mike]

It looks like vinco is running a mod fork or something. I like the look of that bike though.

[BrettM]

That fucker on the black bike is running a grip shift on the seat tube isn't he? Bastard.

[afrobot]

Thats why he is forced to use rim brakes :ugh2: .It's a stock fork with
reversed 4 bilt mounts

[willapaj]

wow... the BB on Vinco's bike is waaaaaay up there...
And I think that fork is hideous... reminds me of the DDG or Trailstar or whatever that stupid british fork is...
Top tube-seatstay junction on Caisso's bike looks like a zoo pirahna!
Weird how Vinco's bike uses a mod stem...

And yes, Brett, that looks like a grip shift on the seat tube like on your peyto.

[BrettM]

Here's another one.

http://www.kalcium.org/KoxxDay/Photos/XTP%20Hermance%2003.jpg

The Euro Style has finally shifted to Island Style. Thankfully it has nothing to do with actually riding a bike. I'm interested in how long till my disk tab idea gets ripped off too. Be cool if they had a beer bottle opener...I mean cork screw.

[Bloodhound]

I think I know why he's running a mod stem... cuz his BB is +80-90mm high. (I may be completely off, I just did a simple persentage measurement comparing the bb height to the fork height, assuming the fork is 400mm.)

[Elan]

divide that figure by 10 and you have the mm..... but yes. it is probably to offset the effects of a bb that is in your anus when you ride

[Bloodhound]

divide that figure by 10 and you have the mm..... but yes. it is probably to offset the effects of a bb that is in your anus when you ride

no no, 80-90mm
http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/6_jpg.jpg
5 / 24 = 0.2083 (the bb height is 20.83% of the fork height)
Lets say the fork is 400mm, 20.83% of that would be 83.3mm
If the fork is 390mm, bb height is 81.25mm

Its just a ball park figure, a bunch of things makes it inaccurate.
I think its safe to say that +75-90mm BB height is pretty insane. I'm curious to try one.

[Chris]

some more pics
1690g, 1065mm wheelbase, 390mm chainstay length, 650 euros
http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00000-3.jpg
http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00002-5.jpg
http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00004-4.jpg

Vinco: 1,8kg, 1115 mm wheelbase, 385mm chainstays, 899 euros
http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00009-3.jpg
http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00010-3.jpg
http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00011-2.jpg

Kenny frame: 1,8kg, 1080mm wheelbase, 380mm chainstays, 750 euros
http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00005-5.jpg

XTP 20" Benito Ros: 1590g, 1000 or 1030mm wheelbase, 362mm chainstays, 799 euros

http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00018-2.jpg
http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00020-2.jpg

[sebLG]

OMFG!!!! I WANT VINCO'S BLACK FRAME!!! i would pay good money for that i think its awsome idea, and check the integrated booster on the frame. also i think koxx are so damn smart to make all these different editions to their trials frame range by asking the actual riders what they want, and not just one rider but all of them. goddamnit i love vinco's frame. its the best advancement i have seen yet in trials bikes, the bb is so high you like wouldnt even need to ratchet your cranks in hooks!! and i think it will feel amazing, seeing how well he is riding it. hmm, so how much is 899 euro's in ozzie dollars?? LOL way too much, oh well start saving .... heheheheh i wonder what it would be like with a stock stem :p ... anyway all of those frames are amazingly awsome. koxx are smart.

[alexm]

i love the xtp mod, except for that headtube area thing, it hasnt grown on me yet.

the kenny sounds nice spec wise, i'll cruise nopogo in a sec for more pics cause that doesnt tell me enough.

vinco is way too crazy for me to comprehend right now. pushing extremes. and 899 Euros = 1428 Australian = fuck off, so i guess i dont have to comprehend it :)

Alex

[sebLG]

bahahahahaha :owned: , i want that frame bad. hey thats only a bit more than my scholarship, maybe ill scab from me olds :p NOT! bah, im still saving for one. :ugh2: anyway how could you not like the headtube junction thing!!! one word .. CNC!!

[DangerousDave]

Chris, thanks for posting those pics!!

is that caisso frame steel?

Dave

[Chris]

no it's aluminium

[Andreas]

drooolllll droooooooooooooooooooooool
the xtp mod will be in my hands..........as soon as some distributers ccan get them!

[Gurra]

The cassio frame look awsome. perfect lenght and price :ugh2:

[onza_tpro]

i love it i want the xtp mod frame.
marc cassio has a MOD stem on what the fook

[Chris]

you mean Vinco :)

[niouf]

These pics comes from www.nopogo.org

[DangerousDave]

Hey Niouf, can you please explain the rear end of Caissos bike?

[TRIALS4LIFE]

Will Try-America be carring the Marc Vinco frame?

[Matt]

These pics comes from www.nopogo.org

And they're beautiful pictures, thanks niouf!

Matt

[RideManuals]

did vinco drill out his helmet? but yes these frames are crazy.
Vinco is the sweetest looking mmmm.
I was wondering when the koxx design would get dramatically different.
I hope Zoo! doesn't come out with a Dobermen that looks like vinco's frame!

[sebLG]

i love it i want the xtp mod frame.
marc cassio has a MOD stem on what the fook

its marc vinco and its to make up for the super high bottom bracket.

[Elan]

divide that figure by 10 and you have the mm..... but yes. it is probably to offset the effects of a bb that is in your anus when you ride

no no, 80-90mm
http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/6_jpg.jpg
5 / 24 = 0.2083 (the bb height is 20.83% of the fork height)
Lets say the fork is 400mm, 20.83% of that would be 83.3mm
If the fork is 390mm, bb height is 81.25mm

Its just a ball park figure, a bunch of things makes it inaccurate.
I think its safe to say that +75-90mm BB height is pretty insane. I'm curious to try one.

ok, i am so lost. i thought yo ualways measure bb from axle to axle parralell line.... :?

[Bloodhound]

you measure bb height from axel height. The red line represents the axel height, the green line is the distance from the axel height to the conter of the bb. To be accurate, that green line should be perpendicular to the axel line.

[Chris]

there's a better pic

http://www.koxx.fr/website/images/kxdays2004/album/images/23_jpg.jpg

[BrettM]

For the bb height thing. The Megamo Dave Herr is on and the Tibo frame that is coming out are both 14.75 bbs I believe. So almost 2 inches higher than the axles.

[Elan]

there is no way that hte BB is higher than 20mm from the axle to axle line

[durkie]

does vinco have a hooters chainstay guard?

[Gardenfan]

Tibo is a plus 20mm, so just under 1 inch higher.

Daves bike is a phreak, but not as phreaky as that vinco.

[DangerousDave]

i think the tibo is around 13.8"bb
my equip is 14.25
that vinco must be what? 15-16" bb height. haha

[Chris]

it IS about 80mm+. Just compare it to the length of the steerer tube or the stem - clamp height, which is about 4-5cm.
http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/23_jpg.jpg

Tibo Veuillet rode with Vinco, and he knows it for sure that the bb is 8cm+. And posted that on a french trials forum. Believe it or not.[/img]

[Elan]

80-90 mm from BB to top of steerer head? what..im not posting anymore, i feel retarded

[Bloodhound]

there is no way that hte BB is higher than 20mm from the axle to axle line

haha!
I bet that geometry allows him to do some crazy moves

So are these like regular Koxx frames in the sence that all Koxx carriers will be getting them?

[Chris]

80-90 mm from BB to top of steerer head? what..im not posting anymore, i feel retarded

sorry I mixed some things up..... look at the head tube on the pic for example, which is about 100-120, then compare it with the short vertical yellow line. It's more than half as long as the head tube. So a 80mm+ bb is pretty realistic, although it sounds crazy.

[Elan]

ah. i just figured somthing out...the BB height you guys are measuring is perpendicular from axle-axle to CENTER of BB (right?)

i was looking at woodman and some other frame companie's drawings, and they measure to bottom of bb...so like measureing for clearance really, instead of actual ride height.... it doesnt really matter i guess.... i think i am correct, perhaps not.

[Chris]

maybe you're also right... but I always thought it was from axle-axle to centre of bb.

Here's a drawing of the xtp frame, there it's also measured to the centre
http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/XTP-1085-geometrie.jpg

[Cole]

Jesus Christ! That Marc Vinco frame is insane. I wonder whether the next step will be just making a frame with out a top tube, seat tube, or seat stays? You could make it consist of merely a headtube, a fat monocoque tube, and super beefy chain stays.

:eek:

[Little Android Man]

like that big blue banana giant prototyped.

[Elan]

it has been posted a million times, but here is the stupid fucking ass dumpling "blue banana"



http://www.pinkbike.com/m/disk01/pinkbike/photo/pbpic107206.jpg

GAY

[cck]

does anyone know what happened with the frame? like what happend in testing? did it snap in half

[Elan]

i hope so

[Cole]

i hope so
Ha Ha, I'd bet you'd buy it if the cousts rode it. :joshers:
Seriously though, if the down tube was straight and had more feature to it, the bike would look cool. Marc Vinco's bike has like a 4 inch long seat tube. What's the use? Barely increases stiffness, nothing one solid monocoque couldn't do. The giant is lame because it is just lame elliptical shaped tubes.

[Elan]

yea..if you rode natural for 5 seconds on that POS you shoot yourself in the face before you ever rode it again

[Faction Bike]

Will Try-America be carring the Marc Vinco frame? yeah man, I just got the pricelists today........I'm still waiting to find out the availability date of all these frames. Stay tuned.

[Andreas]

excellent. PM or something if you find out info on the koxx mod XTP. thanks!

[Ken]

"The Caisso frames and bikes, the Vinco frames and bikes will be available in 45 days. The Kenny frames and bikes in 75 days."

This was a few days ago, didn't mention the XTP mod.

[DMArnt]

I hope Zoo! doesn't come out with a Dobermen that looks like vinco's frame!

No they will go one better. A redesign of the pitbull with the BB lowered 80 - 90mm+ and call it the dashhound.


Hey Koxx, got a Mod prototype of this?
http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00008-5.jpg
http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00006-3.jpg

What is he doing?
http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00007-3.jpg[/img]

[Elan]

a face grind, due to the lack of a visor and the fat that he is pure hardcore

[DMArnt]

a face grind, due to the lack of a visor and the fat that he is pure hardcore

I want to see some footage of that. :werd:

[sebLG]

Jesus Christ! That Marc Vinco frame is insane. I wonder whether the next step will be just making a frame with out a top tube, seat tube, or seat stays? You could make it consist of merely a headtube, a fat monocoque tube, and super beefy chain stays.

:eek:

NO WAY. i hate that idea. why chage it if the traditional trialngles are very stiff and very strong? and a single tube would be hard to make it look good and i dont think it would be strong.

[afrobot]

This is where the traditionalism of UCI type thinking can FUCK OFF!!!

Who cares if its ugly .If thats the bike you must use to zap up an 8 ft wall
without a motor .....so beit.

Evolution ain't alway pretty.......Look at ya mamma...She's ugly....


but she's betta lookin than ya favorite ape! :dunno:

[Bloodhound]

http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00009-4.jpg
cool
http://www.nopogo.org/IMG/jpg/img00031-2.jpg
how tall is this guy? the idea of a 1115mm WB scared me...

[AgrAde]

the wheelbase is to offset the fuckedness of a +8cm bb and a mod stem. i mean, the chainstays are pointing at the front brake....

he's higher on the bike, he would have more leverage on the bike, and have to move less to get his balance going the way he wants.... or something like that.

[Elan]

i never noticed that koxx....looks like coustelliers are copied again??? its not the exact same, no..but what gives

[DMArnt]

Thinking about it.

Would having a higher BB then normal actually help with the appications used to leap higher, gap further, extra leverage etc. Or is it just so there is more clearance and less chance of catching ur BB during a comp and scoring a dab?

And another one ..
Would that frame have a more of a flex facter vertically that a normal hight BB, letting the rider to use the xtra flex like a spring crating more lift etc?

I have another thought, but i'm going to stop before I hurt myself.

[Elan]

i would say that the spring idea was legit..but they ise the I-bean shape for the tubes in the vinco, totally invalidting that idea. IMO.

i wonder really how flexy it is though, and if they used that shape of tube as a precaution/reaction to how much it flexes because it is such a small trialngle.

[Matt]

My guess is in the last picture he either just kissed his front wheel or just reached forward to spin it.

[cck]

he kissed it... it's vinco's signature.

[Bloodhound]

i never noticed that koxx....looks like coustelliers are copied again??? its not the exact same, no..but what gives

I believe that's a Caisso frame in Koxx colors. Looks sweet, definately a comp frame given its weight.