Outside Wedges.

[hydroboy]

http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/outsidewedge.GIF

ok i have this bit pretty dialed, i can balance for a fair while, but once the object gets small i cant go to rear from this position, i can do it when i only have a slight wedge but when it starts getting big i have no idea, it just doesnt work. if anyone can do this like the cous bros and found anythign that realy helped quickly let me know :Wavey: [/img]

[Elan]

you go to rear like ontop on the box, or d oyou go over the box from that position?

[AgrAde]

he means go to rear on top of the box

nice bike by the way :bigthumb:

[Cole]

... when it starts getting big i have no idea, it just doesnt work.

Do you mean when the object becomes very small in width it just doesn't work? If so, what width are you having problems with? It seems to me the only way to do them is to jump straight up from both wheels and throw your rear wheel to the center of the object. Check at 1:30 in the coustellier video.

[hydroboy]

which cous vid? ill check them out. i can do them from picnic tables and stuff but when it gets smaller... hard shit. i konw thats how you do them, but i just cant get all the timing right etc.

[Coramoor]

It would be like a lunge wouldn't it? Well. A technique that's helped me(though I'm still not very good at it).
Bend forwards. Putting your chest as close to the handlebars as you can. Also bend your legs a little. Then throw your upper body up(and maybe a little bit backwards.) and shoot your hips towards the handlebars. Then just throw the bike up there(with all your might. It's heavy and difficult). Try to do it so that if you didn't have a bike you would land on your back.

[cck]

i've also been recently been working on that move, and heres what helps me. preload a very very small amount before you spring up. basically try and unweight the bike and pull it up instead of pushing down and rebounding up. pushing down will screw you up, so try and do it as lightly as possible. on the small stuff i've found you have to let go of the brakes, but if you dont time it right you will fall. i release them right as i'm pulling up on the bike. otherwise, on small objects with a huge wedge, there is just too much resistance and the tires are too grippy on the object.
hope this helps a wee bit.

[Coramoor]

Badass head angle on that bike BTW.

[Matt]

I do it like a combination of what Coramoor and cck said. You can't preload much because if you do push down, the bike is likely to slide further down the object or your front wheel may turn a bit and then you're really screwed. You can hop, but not too big, because hopping will force the bike downward. I do about half a hop and pull the bike up into me, shooting the rear forward and the front (handlebars) I pull in, around the chest to face area. You'll be squatting pretty low over the bike when you land on the rear tire. Releasing the brakes like cck said will definitely help, just make sure your timing is on :).

Hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say.

[Faction Bike]

If you want to go to rear you have to jump up vertical a lot as you apply your pedal kick. If you don't you will fall and spilt little stick man skull open. However if you don't have to go to rear there is a move to get off of this.

Robbins P Thunder tought me something that works badass in this position, if you are just looking to roll off the object. (btw, he is butta at this)

I can't really explain the technique that well but just think of the end result of your rear tire manualing across/down and off the object. I just get my front tire as far foward as possible without falling off the object then I preload by bending my arms and sucking my chest into the bars. Then explode up and out and let go of your brakes. Use your rear brake to apply quick modulation if need be and your off. Practice on something with a downhill slant to get the feel for it, then eventually it becomes a natural move in this position.

[AndyT]

I haven't read any posts, but I'm hoping you aren't using brakes when balancing in that position. If you are, stop.

[Coramoor]

Wow.. No brakes.. That sounds uber difficult.. Is this one of those things I should do to become better or does it make this move easier?

[AndyT]

become better.

[Coramoor]

Ok.. Then I'll try to actually make the move before doing it without brakes..

[afrobot]

Brakes make you stick to the edges.When you hop you will move and your bike will stay.Stickman will die! :weak:

[hydroboy]

i can hold teh positon with and without brakes but when it comes to jumping up i feel i need them, ill give it a try.

[[BMF]Andy]

Yes in fact no one should ever use brakes while riding trials. If you feel the need to that just means you suck and need to get better.

[Ed Gildea]

Andy]Yes in fact no one should ever use brakes while riding trials. If you feel the need to that just means you suck and need to get better.
:werd: brakeless it totaly the way to go :ugh2:

[hydroboy]

get me a vid of you doing one of these, i mean the goin to backwheel part, without brakes and ill think about it. although i agree with you doing moves brakeless is good.

[AndyT]

Andy]Yes in fact no one should ever use brakes while riding trials. If you feel the need to that just means you suck and need to get better.


yeah nice post as thats what I implied, oh wait no not at all you dipshit.



the embodyment of derf.


and hyrdo boy i dont wnat to put any videos out ever again. you can all die.

[warpig]

i dont wnat to put any videos out ever again. you can all die.

Forget to refill your prescription?

[hydroboy]

my comment was not targeted at you andrew. although this is fun you cocksmoking fuckwit. why dont you take your brakes off your biek you peice of crap?

[Elan]

ahahahaha..andrew is funny today. i proved it by intraweb-laughing

anywho, brakeless is the next big thing for the trials world my niggas!

[Coramoor]

I really don't see the point of practicing stuff brakeless.. You'll get better. But you also get better practicing with brakes.. And then you'll learn the right techniques. You'll always have brakes. So there is nothing wrong with being attached to them.

[stocktrials]

I can't really explain the technique that well but just think of the end result of your rear tire manualing across/down and off the object.

I know that move.. there's no real name or thing for it hey? I'm getting pretty good at that move, I have found it useful in a lot of situations!! No brakes of course

[AndyT]

just FYI, the cooses use only 1 brake 90% of the time riding.


When you do things brakeless, they become 2384034983 times easier when you are using brakes. You get a hightened sense of balance. You can go through a section without holding your brakes non stop for 2 minutes, do you understand what this means? You do not get tired. You last longer. If you are too fucking dense to understand this, too bad.




guess what the people in croatia right now practice one day? I'll give you a hint, it's not douching it up

[DanBowhers]

The comments about the downsides of riding brakeless are completely off. You dont have to ride brakeless dont you get it? However, if you do, you definately gain better techniqwue, balance, etc. I have only just started doing brakeless stuff and it is helping so much.

I can backwheel and pedal kick for maybe 25 seconds without using my brakes, but already the second I start doing anything where I do I am better at it. Brakes are a crutch, you take them away for awhile and it forces you to get stronger, when you get them back, jesus you are that much better.

Here is a street riding example if you dont start crying about it not being trials just think for a moment. If I do a manual with brakes I can feather said brakes to keep from looping out, controlling my speed, etc. Now take those brakes out of the picture and I am forced to use balance to control myself after a few times of looping out and hitting my head I will start to figure out how to do things properly. Think spds versus flats. Yeah its easier to bunnyhop with SPDS and probably the smarter choice, but its not the right technique. Apply that logic to brakeless riding.

[Andreas]

werd dan bowhers. definately riding brakeless does help. i've started to do brakeless backwheeling in my drive way (it's on a slope), and i've notice my back wheel balance is much better when im using brakes. (don't think that just because you can hop on your back wheel forever means you have uber good control. brackless helps you take out correction hops on the backwheel, and learn how to compensate using your body instead of hopping so damned much). also, i've started to practice wedges on a wall. i can't do them without the front brake yet, but that's because my balance sucks against a wall like that. after practicing for a long time i know i will be able to do no front brake, and eventually no rear brake. this gives you a better feel for the bike (chain tension etc) and also you can't hop which is good for balance.

touching on what andrewt said about cooses only using 1 brake 90% of the time: that's probably true, but some of it is unessecary maybe? kevin could probably answer this considering he's spent some time with them but, on ups i notice they always leave the front wheel spinning. there's no advantage to this right? on ups and slaps i always have my finger on the brake lever, and once on rear i use both brakes. i have tried leaving my left hand off of the lever (to not use my front brake and schtuff) but it ends up screwing me somehow (probably because i've had my finger on the front brake lever since i started learning). should i try and learn without my front brake? i don't see much advantage to it, but maybe it will help?
and for wedges on natural terrain-should i be using only my back brake or what?
last thing-finally got my wheelswitches thanks for all of the help. i can get them about 20" high, but haven't tried much higher. my trouble with them is keeping the front wheel up once i've gotten to rear (IE-i get up to rear, and my front wheel drops so low so i can get the rear up, that i just end up going to rear, then letting front drop, then rolling off. i can get off of it to rear wheel, i just need to kick hard, im sure im doing something wrong?

my rant is officially over :drool:

[AndyT]

never use a front brake on wedges. not using front brake for taps helps immensely, ask alex m. on wheel switches you either hold your front or your rear brake depinding on the slope.


finally i could give 2 shits if anyone does this, its information use it if you want- don't be pissy and slate me if you think its gay . fuck my cock.

[uownme]

I couldnt do wheel switches until I started doing them brakeless...I see where you guys are coming from cuz of that.

[cck]

fuck my cock.

this sums up brakeless riding altogether

[Coramoor]

When you do things brakeless, they become 2384034983 times easier when you are using brakes. You get a hightened sense of balance. You can go through a section without holding your brakes non stop for 2 minutes, do you understand what this means? You do not get tired. You last longer. If you are too fucking dense to understand this, too bad.

Why do you have to be so goddamn offensive? You are probably right. I had not though about the getting tired part. That is a big bonus indeed. You could have told me this in a "oh he probably hadn't thought about this so I'll inform him.." not "God this guy is so fucking stupid for not thinking about this obvious thing and I'll make sure he knows he's stupid.."

[planetary1]

I think from reading your initial post that you probably already know how to do it, it is now just a matter of time before you get it on more narrow objects.
Oh, and like the others said, you must let go of the brakes while you are lightly and quickly jumping up to rear wheel.

Once you have the use-brakes-as-little-as-possible revelation (if you already haven't that is) you will be amazed at how much smoother you will get and how incredibly easier stuff ends up being. Plus at comp you get through sections with 100% more energy left because you kind of just flow through them. The elite riders are ridiculously good at this brakeless riding.

[AndyT]

Why do you have to be so goddamn offensive?


because I'm soooooooooo emo :wtc:

[alexm]

ok, i havent read too many of these posts, but andrew is right. im pretty new to this whole using brakes smartly. you have to think about when it is smart to use brakes and when its smart not to. alot of moves are so much easier without using one or the other brake.

i know i need to use less brakes, im working on it, but at least im not ignorant enough to just ignore everything andrew says cause hes a smart arse some of the time. he knows what he is talkign about.

my slaps have improved a shit load, just from taking my whole front braking hand away from the front brake lever. i was accidentally tapping the brake when i slapped my front wheel on the wall, and it would screw me up alot of the time. this new technique just lets the front wheel glide up the wall and i get 4ft fairly often now.

my hook-ups have improved by not using the back brake until the very last move, and that last move is me landing on rear, avoiding bash guard completly. im going out tonight to try and get a nice high vert wall to rear.

i should use less brakes more often, and not just to make moves easier, but like andrew said, to preserve energy.

you're gay if you dont try it. im still gay cause i know i need to use less, but at least i know that.

Alex

[tzimon]

I have a heightened awareness of my mac and cheese when i eat it forkless.
But yep.. I agree with brakeless making you so much more aware of your balance and bike. Something as simple as a trackstand on flat ground brakeless will make your balance better. Rock and use your chain tension.. it's all about smooth.

[Coramoor]

As far as the trackstand on flat ground goes.. It's waaaay easier without brakes. I can stand as long as I want without brakes. But If I lock them I fall in a matter of seconds.