ZOO! schtuff I didnt know about, did I just miss the memo?

[Sonic]

Shaun Miller joined the ZOO! team?

http://www.zoobike.com/ShaunMiller.JPG

And ZOO!'s 20" version of the Pitbull, was surprised to see it.

http://www.zoobike.com/gallery8/TN_python-001.JPG

Crazy.

[Zyzzyx]

Ayup. Miller's had his Zoo for a couple weeks now. So, still fairly recent.

[Spacemunkee]

no matter what anyone says that 26" pitbull looks damn sweet built up

[Coramoor]

ahh.. I love my pitbull... :)

[Matt]

Anyone else think this seems like a perfect match?

:barf:

[AndyT]

SHaun miller is fairly recent, but holy shit sonic that mod is like 5 months old.

[Sonic]

SHaun miller is fairly recent, but holy shit sonic that mod is like 5 months old.

I spend almost every hour Im at work on these forums and didnt see either mentioned anywhere. So Im basically blaming you all. :rant:

[afrobot]

Birds of a feather flock together.

[AndyT]

Sonic, a little site called www.trials-forum.co.uk


#1 place for videos, #1 place for news, #1 place for some dumb posts which makes it hard. But there is good stuff in there.

[Sonic]

I go there for videos every day, used to be every hour, but theyve slowed down. I dont drink enough to sort through the rest of the crap on that site, vids sections is the only place I go.

[Spacemunkee]

heh ive moved on to here because of the amount of pointless posts they get on there

[smudge]

Anyone else think this seems like a perfect match?

:barf:

Yes, absolutely. Is it me, or has he rubbed others the wrong way too? AND he spells his name wrong :wuteva:

Sean

[Matt]

His buddy and him had quite the elitist attitude in durango. His buddy just flat out left our riding group and disappeared after riding like 5 sections, and he showed up late. Then Shaun judged him over the next 5-10 sections, then he rejoined with our group, rode a few more sections and handed in his cards. It was total bullshit

[DanBowhers]

who was his buddy?

[Zyzzyx]

Not sure when that Durango event was, but Miller has really changed his attitude this year.

He's done great this year, stepping up and organizing the Fontana events. And doing it better than last year. He's been far more approachable this year. There's been a couple events where he's done checking instead of riding. Cranted, its not a nationals level event, but I've seen him giving back quite nicely to the sport.

And a longshot guess, but if you're also referring to Dave Brodowski, he's been (mostly) a completely different person this year as well.

[Matt]

His friend's name was Jeremy Huber

[AndyT]

I haven't seen shaun since late last year, but I've met him quite a few times for years before then. He has had the worst outlook and worst attitude of any trials rider (or possibly person) I have ever met. A total asshole.

[Gardenfan]

It is funny that this came up. A friend of mine's roomate used to be Shawn's roomate, and said the same thing about him. Well both of them did. Said he was arrogant, rude, and quite conceited.

[Tanner]

. Said he was arrogant, rude, and quite conceited.

Boy, sounds like the ideal Zoo! rider...

[Gardenfan]

Fuck Zoo, I ride a PX with a 1067 wheelbase, and have the pictures to prove it, I am one elite mothafucker.

[Yoda]

His friend's name was Jeremy Huber

Matt,

Yeah I remember that guy. I thought it was strange that he just took off for an hour or so right in the middle of the competition. And he also showed up late, it seems like we were just starting our second loop when he showed up. All of you other CO guys were so cool, and he seemed kind of out of place.

[uownme]

Maybe he went to go hit the crack pipe :squint:

[hydroboy]

bent forks anyone?

[Faction Bike]

It's funny how people judge a person after only meeting them in a specific setting. Shaun for example. People have meet him at comps, where personalities are going to naturally be out of whack due to external pressures, and they think they have grown up with him. Far to often they then take this contextual mis judgement and spread it around to all the others without even knowing a person. Giving this person a bad name.

I've only dealt with Shaun in a specific setting as well, so I can hardley offer a proper judgement. He is a great guy toward me but again, I have limited experience with him. However, I can say this about him. Just look at what he is doing for the sport in SoCal. The fontana series was going to be dropped because the past organizers were moving on to other opportunities. Shaun with some help from others , came in and organized a great series. He obtained great prizes from his sponsors and he donated some of his own unused stuff for prizes. On top of this he drove up from San Diego to LA on Saturday mornings to set awesome sections for Sundays comps. And he didn't recieve one dime for this. If we are to judge him based off of this I would say he sounds like a pretty good guy.

I don't know if this makes up for all his social crimes people accuse him of in the past but take it for what you will.

[smudge]

Nice post Graham. Although my brief experiences with Shaun out here at past Motorama's and some NEPS event a long time ago, have given me a very bad impression of him, it's nice to see that someone has something positive to say. It's great that he's picked up the ball for Fontana and seems to be contributing to trials this year.

[hydroboy]

he must be pretty good, runs exactly the same tyres as myself. although i will be going for a 2.5 single ply on the front next time.

[Gardenfan]

bent forks anyone?

Its a top secret prototype, but I could never keep a secret. I will post the pics tomorrow. Gotta leave you with some suspense and all that shit.

[Elan]

I haven't seen shaun since late last year, but I've met him quite a few times for years before then. He has had the worst outlook and worst attitude of any trials rider (or possibly person) I have ever met. .

more so than dolphin? ahahaha..im kidding..... nice zoo faggs..i bet he and stfahn have butt secks... wait, nevermind....ewwww :greddy2:

[ascentrek]

Good point Graham. The dude is sponsored by Zoo! and makes a living riding a bike. Damn, I wish I could quit my job and ride a bike professionally.... Good for him.

[AndyT]

sorry taylor


he makes his living as a pest exterminator. Making a living at riding trials = shady.

[Elan]

ok, but still, if he is sponsored by zoo, how is his income? maybe he gets a free bike..anywho, right on.

[warpig]

I thought he was a dick too. I wanted to smack the shit out of both him and Maeder firt time I ever went to Fontana (last year). He wasn't so bad at Keyesville that same year but he had his wife with him and was nowhere to be found for the most part. This year, I'm guessing the aliens put someone else in his place because he's now one of the nicest, most approachable people I've met at a trials event. The boy finally grew up and has made a hell of a positive impression this year with everything he's done so far with Fontana and now Keyesville. My hat's off to Shaun for one hell of a new start..........................

And I hate to say it but Maeder is following suit. He's still weird though..........

[Matt]

Thanks for letting us know warpig. Definitely good to hear from someone who's seen both sides. It's great that he's working on the Fontana series this year.

[nidoss]

I know i dont know much about bikes, but what is the deal with everyone hating zoo! ? are they really that bad?

[jimmybikes]

I agree Shaun has had a attitude in the past, but part of it was a reaction to being cheated out of titles and or places at certain events. He dealt with the cheating by becoming the type of person that several of you have mentioned.

BUT, I have noticed a huge change in Shaun, since he got married!!! I have hardly ever seen a guy do a more complete turn around. I now have a lot of respect for Shaun and until I see him going back to his old ways, I will continue to have respect for him. In my book he has earned another chance based on his actions in the last 6-9 months.

I know of very few, if any, Pro riders putting the time into trials that Shaun has lately. Jeremy certainly has not done anywhere near what Shaun has been doing. At this point I am impressed with Shaun and hope his new sponsorship works out well for him.

Jim VanSchoonhoven

[trialsmasta]

Did ZOO stop making the Boa???

[atypical]

did zoo ever really MAKE the boa???

[smudge]

I agree Shaun has had a attitude in the past, but part of it was a reaction to being cheated out of titles and or places at certain events. He dealt with the cheating by becoming the type of person that several of you have mentioned.

Jim, Maybe I'm a bit over sensitive to this, as you probably notice on the other forum. Do you care to elaborate on the "certain events" of which you speak?

Before I go making another negative comment about Shaun, let me restate that I'm happy to see that others are noticing a marked improvement in his attitude.

Now that THAT's out of the way, he was behaving like a prick when he was a 16 and 17 year old kid sponsored by GT and later while wearing that cute Budweiser skin suit. I believe that was even before he was in contention for a national title.

Sean

[jimmybikes]

Sumdge, I don't see any reason to go in to the details, people can either believe there has been some shady things going on in the past or not, but I know what I have seen and I can tell you, many of the past pro riders quit trials because they were sick and tired of out right cheating!

Our last series of posts did enough to draw attention to the things going on, and hopefully with enough people concerned about fairness to all, no matter who they are or what level of rider they are, the problems will be gone.

The main point of the post about Shaun is he has been acting very differently in the last 6-8 months and I respect that, and even more because I know some of the things he has gone through, things that are some times being hid from some of the other riders.

Jim VanSchoonhoven

[Bloodhound]

In response to Jimmy: It all seems a little secretive to me, but I highly respect that you recognize what is not others buisness and what is appropiate for a public forum.

[silus2000]

If you guys wanna meet the coolest and most down to earth trials rider, go to the Norba event at Big Bear and meet Hans Rey.

[AndyT]

or go to jersey and meet jeff l



no magic tricks going on.

[AndyT]

ps i thought it was funny last year in vail when shaun cheated jeremy out of 1st place. "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh, there is a tree near the course- I just fived, fix it now!!!!"

[jimmybikes]

Yes, that was strange that Shaun ended up talking them into letting him do it over, but the promoter of the event must take credit for that. He could have told Shaun no.

But in all fairness to Shaun, I have never seen him ride as well as he did that day, and Jeremy did not ride well and I think, Shaun beat him by one point. Shuan did a good job.

The thing that was funny, about that day was that they divided the pros up into two groups and each had a different checker. The two checker were both very fair with in their groups and called everything the same for their group, but the two checkers did not call every thing the same. One was a much better than the other. I think all of the winners came out of the same group.

We pointed this flaw out to the promoter and the next day, they did it differently and kept the pro riders together. This was an honest mistake on the part of the promoter caused by a lack of checkers and he fixed it when he discoverd how it could impact the scores!

Things like this is a part of life, competing here in the US. But it is getting better and more fair. As long as problems are being worked on Jeremy is happy, it is only when these type of problems are not addressed that Jeremy doesn't like it.

Yes, Hans Rey is one of the coolest guys you will ever meet in trials, Jeremy owes a lot to Hans! He killed to VCRS watching Hans Rey tapes over and over again...stop...rewind, slow motion...stop, rewind, Slow motion.

Plus, it was Hans that got Jeremy started doing demos and charging a good price for them. He is a very helpful guy!

Jim VanSchoonhoven

[smudge]

Sumdge, I don't see any reason to go in to the details, people can either believe there has been some shady things going on in the past or not, but I know what I have seen and I can tell you, many of the past pro riders quit trials because they were sick and tired of out right cheating!

Our last series of posts did enough to draw attention to the things going on, and hopefully with enough people concerned about fairness to all, no matter who they are or what level of rider they are, the problems will be gone.

So Shaun cheated Jeremy out of a win at {insert any non eastern venue here} and you hold the promotor responsible. On top of that, now you're being so noble as to not want to reveal the details of the interaction AND you haven't made the public declaration that Jeremy won't ever compete at {insert any non eastern venue here} (shall I go so far as to include all west coast events) ever again because the organization is fun unfairly.

Jim, I'm interested in a lot of what you have to say, but I take it with a grain of salt. I suggest others do the same. On this topic, you're inconsistent at best.

I'm sure it's obvious that you hit a nerve here and I'm not trying to belittle you. But I also don't want a one sided opinion to be the only prevelant one floating about on the internet where people are so apt to make snap judgements based on their perception of an online "personality."

In response to Jimmy: It all seems a little secretive to me, but I highly respect that you recognize what is not others buisness and what is appropiate for a public forum.

Before you dole out so much respect, check out the thread of similar topic on the biketrials.com forums, read how he wanted me to publicly divulge the details to what he perceived to be unfair in the east coast comps. If you're so inclined, look here (http://biketrials.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard312a/ikonboard.cgi?s=d301276b0731eaa3051d26fe633c8b1b;a ct=ST;f=1;t=4816)

I'm not intending to imply that Jim doesn't deserve respect, he does, as does most everyone. BUT a person isn't worthy of respect solely because his son is one of the most prominent riders in the US.

I respect Jim because he sincerily offers a tremendous amount of help to the trials community in general. On the topic of cheating, I find him to be very inconsistent.

Sean

[AndyT]

smudge, I'm talking about durango. no big bear. I really don't even remember jim being there , but that might be a side effect of the coke

[Allmjm]

Wow that's the second event where Jeremy has been cheated out of the win. I still cry when I look at the video I have of Santos's axle going waaayy out at motorama 2002. Yet he got to finish the section and didn't get a 5. Stefan was right there, saw it, and told the checker it was in. He wasn't sucking up to Santos at all :rolleyes:
Martin

[AndyT]

Martin, I seriously doubt stefahn would ever be a douche- its just not in his character to be that gay.



http://www.observedtrials.net/otn/hsugh.gif

[smudge]

smudge, I'm talking about durango. no big bear. I really don't even remember jim being there , but that might be a side effect of the coke

Thanks Mr. T. I've edited my post to comply.

My point doesn't explicitly depend on the venue though. Jim has personally condemned east coast competitions (until he partially retracted Lake Placid from the list) for reasons of cheating. I'm not saying the cheating didn't happen, or stating that cheating is OK by any stretch of the imagination.

If people care to know, and are diligent about reading all the posts, and have mad deductive reasoning skillz, they can probably figure out the root of the problem without it needing to be spelled out.

I can tell you what the root of the problem is not: East coast event organizers don't encourage cheating and they are trying to bring Jeremy down. They wish to have fun, fairly run events.

I do have a question for Jim...why spotlight two events (and part of a third) for unfairness, when it has occured at others as well?

Sean

[jimmybikes]

Smudge, this comp was at Durango, but if you read my post, I did not say there was cheating going on. And in fact Shaun did not cheat. He fived a course and asked that they change the course, they did and allowed him a ride over. And Shaun was also not the one in charge of the judging. The promoter made both of these choices and although I disagree with them and do not consider them to be the best, he didn't do them with bad intentions and he corrected the one the very next day.

And the difference between this event and the things going on at the other event is how they were handled and FIXED the very next day. The other event you and I talked about has had the same problems year after year.

Every body makes mistakes, but when a rider or riders approach the promoter year after year about the same things and there is no change, and they act like the rider or riders don't know what they are talking about, the rider does have the right to believe things are not getting better.

The part I asked you to comment on was... you said Jeremy and the promoter had other issues other than the way the event was ran. I told you I was unaware of that, and the only problems Jeremy and myself had with these promoters were the way they ran their event and the fairness issue. I than stated if you knew something more to go ahead and tell us. I still stand by that.

And Sumdge, your comments are correct, and I respect what you say about the last time I commented on this.

But what I said the last time about that event, was a last ditch attempt to make the promoter understand they have a problem, as was pointed out in the post by some one else, I just agreed with the post and took a stand, instead of acting like nothing goes on at that event and every thing is fine there. It was a chicken type attitude that had caused us to not admit before the comp that the reason Jeremy didn't go to it was because of the way it was ran in the years before. Jeremy will also be missing another event back there for the same reason. If he hears that the event changed he may do it again next year.

And it was your statements last time that led me to decide to be real honest with how that event is being ran.

I did that and people can decide for themselves if that event is being ran well or not. I see no reason to go through all this again. If I thought it would change things I would be glad to do it again, but nothing new will be said.

And getting back to this thread, Shaun is doing a great job and he is representing the title as the National Champion, in the highest way possible.

And Sumdge, I am sorry we disagree so much on this subject. But I do respect your attitude and even your comments, thanks for making them! Every one's onpinion is important and should be respected, I sense that from you, even though I am sure you would like to wring my neck for what I said!

Jim VanSchoonhoven

[jimmybikes]

Sumdge, now I think that is kind of a low blow... those comments about the cheating going on at those other events were about cheating that was being done to other pro riders not to Jeremy.

To try to turn this into a thing about Jeremy is misleading. Of course it is easy to do since I am his "Dad" and of course that means I can only think cheating is being done against Jeremy!!! If this really was about Jeremy Winning, wouldn't I have jumped all over the other event about "cheating", I would hope the fact that I didn't do that would at least make you think that there must be more to it than just how "Jeremy" does. Are americans and more important am I so selfish that we only think of ourselves and only stand up when we or some one we care about are treated poorly??? In this case, you will notice that Chris Santos also decided to not be at that event back east and I doubt he will be at the next one either.

But the issue is getting the cheating cleared up no matter who it effects and in the cases of the two events back east it did not involve cheating against Jeremy. And neither did the things going on there this year, since Jeremy was not there. But we got calls about what happened and it was the same stuff as in the past years.

And to answer you question one last time every event promotor makes mistakes, just like all trials riders and coaches do, that is being human, but not being willing to change things that keep going on year after year, that is the difference.

And once again, Shaun out rode Jeremy at Durango! Jeremy blames his own riding that day for not winning the National Championship and the fact that Shaun rode the best I have ever seen him ride that day.

Jim VanSchoonhoven

[Matt]

Well, Shaun did ride well that day, and I know you won't create excuses for Jeremy not performing 100%, but I would like to point out that Jeremy was not in good health for Nationals. In fact, he was so sick the day after pro stock that he couldn't ride pro mod and he and Jim packed up and left that morning.

I am also of the opinion that it was a bad judgement call of the promoters to change the section AFTER Shaun had ridden it. Afterall, we're all given the opportunity to walk the sections prior to riding to ensure all obstacles are safe and what-not. And he still got to ride the beginning of the section once, in essence pre-riding it. While the promoter shouldn't have changed the section for him, Shaun should have had more class than to ask for a section change, and I think it was poor sportsmanship on his behalf. If all riders agreed it needed to be changed after they had completed their first lap, maybe then would have been a better opportunity.

Of course, hind sight is 20/20.

Matt

[smudge]

Shaun out rode Jeremy at Durango! Jeremy blames his own riding that day for not winning the National Championship and the fact that Shaun rode the best I have ever seen him ride that day.

OK. I can't fault you for statement someone else made about Shaun and the section do-over. So I apologize for placing that in my argument. Without that, the rest of my argument pertaining to the comparison of East Coast vs. the rest of the world (with respect only to statements you have made) is baseless.

I have no intentions of completely rehashing everything that was already said. I have nothing new to add other than I expect that we can have a great event out here, that people are impressed, have fun and feel it was fairly judged. I hope that a great response from the competition leads to Jeremy AND many others to keep coming out to them.

I want to wring anyone's neck. But I will argue a point in which I believe until I die; I'm stubborn like that. More than that, I strongly feel that people generally don't do enough thinking for themselves and too easily agree with the most popular/prominent opinion on too many issues...some matter, some don't. I just want to present another point of view so that some of those, who might otherwise blindly follow, have something else to think about.

Now, let's all get behind our president...


















...and push him off a cliff.

[AndyT]

OK jimmy let me try to clear up what i was trying to say:


Jeremy rides, gets a few points in the section and keeps riding.


Shaun comes up to the same section, gets a 5- complains like a girl about it, JP changes it and voila - gets a clean.


Jeremy lost because of this, and this only.

[jimmybikes]

Smudge, once again I agree that everyone needs to think for themselves about every issue. And I am not at all against you making your point of view known and I respect it.

Now I want to make a point about something that I believe is wrong with the NATS Series and how this has helped create this current disagreement between Smudge and myself.

In the past there was a governing organization in charge of rules and enforcement of the rules. When NORBA Stopped the National Championshp Series for Trails...the whole NATS idea stepped up. One of the main problems with NATS has been each event is left to police itself. Nothing wrong with that right!

But what happens when there is a serious disagreement about if the rules are being fairly applied??? Now the promoter decides on his own and the riders just have to eat it. These two parties are not on equal footing and a promoter can do what ever they want. The riders are stuck with it, even after spending 100's or even over 1000.00 dollars to get there and compete.

Let me give you an example in 1999 at the NORBA National Championships the same promoters where in charge of that event that now do the events Smudge and I are disagreeing about.

Jeremy and I had been prewarned about certain things that would happen by more than one pro rider. We had been told some "strange" things would be going on.

So we brought the rules and had already called NORBA to have something made clear... Simply that all racers with a racing age of 18 and under, no matter what level they rode at (expert, pro, sport) could and should do the national championship in the 18 year old and under class.

They said this is how all the other events like cross country and down hill did it. They also said you can also race your not only your age, but also your class, such as pro in this case.

To make a long story short at the begining of the comp we went through all of these rules with the promoters and they agreed to let Jeremy do all the events and told him when he had to do each event.

He did them and as a 16 year old won the National Championship for the 18 year olds and under and placed 3rd in the Pro Men's stock class.

By the end of the day the promoters had people that didn't like this come to them and complain, they overturned their earlier stand. I wanted them to check with the rules and they said we will talk to NORBA "Eric Moore" when Eric showed up he asked them what they thought should be done and they stipped Jeremy of both medals. Eric would not read the rules but based things on what they said. No written protest was filed by any riders.

They decided Jeremy could not earn a National Championship in the 18 year old and under because he was a pro rider...the problem is the rules say you can and the second place person, that they did award the Natinal Championship to at the time was also a PRO rider!!! How can that be??? Check it out, he was.

They also stripped Jeremy of his 3rd place, because they made him ride the courses in the afternoon, and the rest of the stock riders rode in the morning, Jeremy has asked to be allowed to ride in the morning and they had said no. Well in the afternoon the mod bikes did the same courses, except unknown to Jeremy at the time they made one move different on one course...they made it harder for the mod riders. Jeremy cleaned the course even though it was harder...they took his 3rd place away from him because...he didn't ride the courses at the right time and he didn't ride the same exact course(it was harder).

We did file a protest although they refused to accept a written one like we wanted to file, but in the end NORBA did check into everything and it only took seconds to give Jeremy his title back and his 3rd place finish back. Jeremy also aggreed to allow the other rider to keep his medal and Jersey and to be listed as co-champions, because it was not this person fault, and it would have been odd to have to give these things up.

So we have been aware of "funny" things going on for longer than 1999, because pro riders back in 1999 had warned us about other events even before that. We had our own run in with them and have since watched other pro riders have their problems too. Since than most of the time they have been fair to Jeremy, but is that all that matters?

For example because of things that have been done to Chris Santos, right in front of Jeremy...I doubt Chris will be back to those events this year. And Jeremy will not because of what he saw! Chris is a great rider, and a lot of riders could learn a lot from watching him, but not if he isn't there. Chris is just one of a number of good riders that no longer do these events because of the year after year pattern at these events. You decide, if this hurts trials when many of the best riders can no longer stand going to an event, because they no the rules will not be enforced and that there is nothing they can do about it. You try spending that kind of money year after year and getting the same results, maybe you would give up too!

What can a person do under the current rules, Smudge, I am open for ideas!

The only thing we can figure out is not go to their events and when others mention the problems, to at least be willing to take a stand, no matter what other people think your motives are. And to fight for fair rules that are applied to every one no matter what level of rider they are and no matter who they know or don't know.

At Durango, Jeremy had least had the chance to file a protest with NORBA, if he wanted to. There is little doubt in my mind who would have won the protest, but the point to Jeremy was, this was a simple mistake and the promoter, was willing to clear it up. I doubt it will happen again. And it is important to remember, winning is not every thing!

So, our problem with these promoters is there is currently no meanful way to appeal any thing they do!

Shaun on the other hand has gone on and worn that jersey very well, and done some great things for the sport this last 6-8 months. I respect that!

Jim VanSchoonhoven

[RideManuals]

YEAH ZOO! sucks






for a thread about zoo! sucking I haven't heard a thing about ZOO! since the first page. Also is it totally necessary to keep this all public maybe pms would be more efficient. don't mean to be a hater. Just a crazy thread.

[dingus]

will jeremy be coming out to Keyesville?

and shauns a nice guy, just ask all the people he's helped out.
its easy to call someone a dick when theyre 17 yo and a prick -im sure he was-or wearing one of those clown suits, but hes actually pretty mellow, wierd for sure, but a damn good mechanic and rider.

He likes his Zoo. Its the first long wb bike hes had and its only a 1060- still heaps better than his old brisa and it shows. He has improved markedly since switching to the new bike. He'll be getting the 1085 or whatever it will be before long, and also the mod.

Shaun is also setting up the Keyesville event and there wont be any cheating so y'all should make it down. If you are going to come to one California event I think it should Keyesville, I heard its like the mecca or something.

Oh, you know that Zoo bar. Its similar to the Tryall but different. It is 31.8 for one but thats not much, the other thing is that the Zoo bar has a pinch of backsweep.

[jimmybikes]

I am not sure if Jeremy is doing that event or not, but I can assure you if he is not it is only because he already had something scheduled before they confirmed a date for the event.

That is a great event and like you said very fair, and a super place to ride.

Have a great time at the event and thanks for the update on Shaun and his new bike. That is great to hear he is doing well on it and improving.

Jeremy is on his first long bike this year and with out a doubt he has improved more in the last 6 months than any previous six months ever. The bike fits him so much better and has many little advantages that show up in comp style moves with very little run up.

If you see Shaun, tell him we look forward to competing against him and seeing him sometime this year. Warn him (in a nice way) that Jeremy is going to be out to beat him after losing to him at nationals.

And when it comes to fair it has only been two events that are not fair year after year, and those events are not in any way picking on Jeremy, in fact it is the unfairness to other pro riders not to himself that has led to him not doing those two events this year.

Jim VanSchoonhoven

[DangerousDave]

hey jim. what was the geometry of jeremys bike from last season?

[jimmybikes]

Sorry Dave, but I have no idea and Jeremy is in Europe right now. I do know it was much more like a Monty. One thing for sure he loved the bike, but I doubt he will ever go back to one like it, this new bike is much better for him. For him it fits him better for almost everthing, and there is no doubt it is much better for UCI comps, when he is riding at the top level of what he can ride, this new bike will save him points.

Mike Desalvo could be reached at 541-621-8408.

Jim VanSchoonhoven