View Full Version : Planet-X considering a new, comp-oriented frame
Planet-X-Bikes (http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk) is currently researching a new competition oriented frame. They are unsure of the geometry, but their first rough ideas have put it in similar categories as the Koxx (http://www.koxx.fr) and Woodman (http://www.woodmancomponents.com) frames, with this concept: "shorter stays, longer tt, lower stand over" (as compared to current zebdis). I don't expect the wheelbase to be as extreme as the 1100, or the chainstays to be 15" or less, but from what I understand, both will be close. I'll be updating you as more information is made available to me.
Fast Fashion
10-14-2003, 01:18 AM
bleh, close isn't good enough if they want to compete. the only bike i would want besides mine is an XTP... but that's expensive.
You never know Dolphin, things aren't really tested in this area. The truth is, we have several frames longer like this, the Woodman, koxx, echo pure, crescent(?), and maybe now the coustellier's frame. I don't think we've had the long bike geometry tested enough to know if we can make improvements. Have we really hit the "sweet spot" yet? I guess we just need to give Planet-X the benefit of the doubt. They're a good frame company, and I think they'll come through with a good frame here.
Matt
AndyT
10-14-2003, 11:53 AM
Crescent is SHORT.
TrialsinKy
10-14-2003, 01:42 PM
I'll just be happy when someone can produce a steel trials frame with competition geometry.
WhiteRavenKS
10-14-2003, 03:15 PM
cough... desalvo.... cough
UPDATE 10/15/03 5:38 P.M. EST:
The chainstay length has been decided at 15.1" and the wheelbase will either be 1050, 1055, or 1060mm.
WhiteRavenKS
10-15-2003, 04:06 PM
any word on standover yet? long bikes dont work all that well with out gobs of standover to help it out. anyhoot- glad to see px may actually be putting some effort into making a comp frame after two years of people screaming for one.
All I know is that the standover will be "low", as for seat tube length, and tube angles, I haven't received any information. You can bet I'll be releasing the info when I get it.
Matt
UPDATE 10/16/03 3:45 A.M. EST:
It appears as though Planet-X may go half-assed on this frame. They're intent is to make a new "comp-oriented" frame, but their plan is to include a working seat-tube and V-brake bosses. Nothing wrong with V-brakes of course, but the adaptors for maguras SUCK. In my opinion, they should use four bolt mounts and develop a working magura 4bolt -> V adaptor. Am I off-base here? Would it not be easier to make 2 adaptors that screw into the 4 bolt mounts and then the bike is effectively a V-brake frame?
AgrAde
10-16-2003, 02:56 AM
a 4 bolt > v brake adapter with a built in booster would be nice, adapters usually equal a ton of flex.
frimleydottk
10-16-2003, 12:36 PM
They are only THINKING of making one? heres the new frame pictured under Tibo...
http://www.bikeguernsey.net/~tf/uploads/newzeb2.jpg
http://www.bikeguernsey.net/~tf/uploads/newzeb.jpg
4 bolt mounts :)
Umm no, I'm not referring to the TIBO, this will be an entirely new frame :slap:
WhiteRavenKS
10-16-2003, 02:11 PM
that tibo frame was hideous. i dont care if he got third on it or not that frame made me want to not ride a px even more. come on, a stock frame in a uci worlds comp with a freakin bashplate mount... go px! :ugh2:
anyhoot- i wouldnt doubt it if px did half ass this project. it probably started out as am amazing idea and then the people who run the bis said "how can we mess this up" and then did exactly that. Planet X: kick ass products from an anus of a company.
sense bitterness much?
Fast Fashion
10-16-2003, 09:15 PM
i;m with kevin on this one. that's one ugly bitch of a frame. as for the 1050-1060 wheel base... that isn't going to cut it. to compete they need to do a 1065, at least! 1080 would be preffered and 1100 is cheating. As for mounts... make it V. that's one ara that would intice me to buy one. I know for a fact my V's on my PX were 10x stronger than the Maguras on my Koxx(haha, that sounds funny.... magura on my koxx)
UPDATE 10/19/03 2:07 A.M. EST:
The specs have been decided and the drawings are being made.
Chainstays: 15.1"
Wheelbase: 1050
seat tube: 9"
seat tube: working seat
brake bosses: V
Looks like a cop out to me, but we'll have to see how the thing rides before we know for sure :)
Fast Fashion
10-19-2003, 01:42 AM
so it's a zebdi +10mm :ugh2: sounds like the judis priest video i saw the other day... really fucking gay.
so it's a zebdi +10mm :ugh2: sounds like the judis priest video i saw the other day... really fucking gay.
Most people believe the PX wheelbase to be 1040, when in reality it's 1014. It will be a considerable improvement over the zebdi I hope, but it's still a let down compared to what I had been told they intended to design at first.
dingus
10-19-2003, 08:01 PM
Are you sure about the wheel base? I measured my Mk5 roughly and thought is was longer than that- around 1041, the fork can make a diff.
If you have a Koxx or a long bike could you measure it's wheelbase and post it
-do it like this so its all relative...
1stand the ready to ride bike upright against a wall on a smooth floor
2use a plum bob to find the points directly below the axles
3measure the "effective" wheelbase from point to point
I may have just got the numbrs mixed up in my head but Ill re-do it again tomarrow cause I wanna know neways
per donay moo'wa, but I think that thibo frame is very nice lookins
is it steel?
WhiteRavenKS
10-19-2003, 09:44 PM
the tibo frame is ti i think. it stinks, i wouldnt ever buy one.
my px mk3 was short as hell, like 1010mm wheelbase. this is what the 02 echos were. short.
1050 is just long enough to make it impracticle for street type riding and just short enough to not really be worth considering it when buying a "long" bike. way to go px, you've done gone and dropped the ball on this frame. maybe if they sposored riders who were serious uci competitors they could get input on developing something worth two poops in that bike catagory. tibo rides uci and does quite well actually but i doubt they asked him for any input and if they did they didnt listen.
if you measuer your axle to axle with a tape measure it will give you the wheel base. no need for a plumb bob. your axle to axle length is the same- on level ground your tire touches the ground directly under your axle. or at least i would think it does.
Chris King
10-20-2003, 06:15 AM
i actually thought that the px was pritty dam sexy :cool: i dont really know why every1 thinks that its not me mate thinks that its sexy aswell :eek3: :werd: :greddy: :joshers:
Fast Fashion
10-20-2003, 02:06 PM
i actually thought that the px was pritty dam sexy :cool: i dont really know why every1 thinks that its not me mate thinks that its sexy aswell :eek3: :werd: :greddy: :joshers:
it's ugly because it looks like a picture of tibo taking a shit, but it's just him on a bike. thus it looks like someone shit it out of their ass.
nydave
10-22-2003, 10:06 PM
I just purchased a Zebdi Mk5....It will be my first trials bike. Are you people saying it is no good? And that I should wait for PX's new bike? Or something else? I thought the Zebdi was a great trials frame....any comments?
WhiteRavenKS
10-22-2003, 10:33 PM
the zebdi is fine for a first trials bike. if anything it may be hands down the best first trials bike you can find anywhere from any company. problem is planet x is trying to make something for pro/elite riders here and they totally dropped the ball on it in my opinion. your zebdi kicks ass and it will continue to kick ass for you for some time but this new frame- from the sounds of it isnt going to suit the needs of the market they are trying to appeal to.
jason
10-22-2003, 10:51 PM
dont listen to those guy the PX Zebdi is a sweet bike i getting one in january it sweet
and why the fuck are u all talken about comps, comps are the gay's shit ever. do street much more fun plus u decide wut to do not some gay ass computer nerd how just throws shit around and put tape around it.
do street it funner
WhiteRavenKS
10-22-2003, 11:06 PM
yeah and only quares use propa' grammar so dont do that either :joshers: just j'in.
i never said the zebdi wasnt good- in fact, i think its a sweet bike. but not for competition.
as for riding this so called street- i cant think of a single "street" ride that progressed my riding even half as much as even my worst comp ever. its fun and you do need to do it in order keep that nice healthy balance of having good ol fashion fun on a bike but comps cant be replaced. some people like comps too. the best riders in the world in competition could roll with any so called "street" rider too.
nydave
10-22-2003, 11:28 PM
A big thank you for responding. I got a killer deal from teamplanetx.com. I can't wait for the frame to get here.
Fast Fashion
10-23-2003, 12:09 AM
dont listen to those guy the PX Zebdi is a sweet bike i getting one in january it sweet
and why the fuck are u all talken about comps, comps are the gay's shit ever. do street much more fun plus u decide wut to do not some gay ass computer nerd how just throws shit around and put tape around it.
do street it funner
ahahaha, the zebdi is a horrible street frame :rofl: i had one for a year and as kevin said they are the best beginner bikes out there with the exception of the pricier koxx cheat code. if you want a street frame get something with street geometry like a 24, or a 1010P(probably don't even know what that is, but that's probably because your an asshat)
nydave
10-23-2003, 12:44 AM
You said 24, are you talkin' 'bout the Pornking or the LeToy ? maybe i do know something...lol
Or the LeDude :eek3: :rofl:
Fast Fashion
10-23-2003, 12:53 AM
You said 24, are you talkin' 'bout the Pornking or the LeToy ? maybe i do know something...lol
i wasn't talking to you... i was talking to the asshat who was saying he's hardcore frome the streEtz or something. good luck with the new bike though. great beginer bike. :bigthumb:
for the asshat jason: pussies ride street. real men ride BMX. i'll destroy you any day.
dingus
10-23-2003, 01:44 AM
so um
I measured my mark 5's wheelbase at 1035 +/- 5
I did use a plumb bob just anyways
I measured it twice axle to axle and it looked to be 1040 but I feel my atest measurement is probably better
thats with an orange fork and a headset with 09mm of stack below head tube.
still short
Im going to get a woodman and in time the carbon forks to go with it
any longer term updates on impressions of your woodman?
hmmm, can we talk about bottom bracket drop?
how does it affect a bike exactly
some have a little, some have zero drop and a few even go the other way right?, 'bb lift'.(megamo maybe)
take a theoretical bike and change the bb height, what happens?
Tanner
10-23-2003, 03:08 PM
do street it funner
Yeah...thaaaaaaaats it
nydave
10-23-2003, 10:50 PM
yo hell_boy...thanks for the thumbs up. the ups guy dropped it off today and I am happy. I was sippin' on a few frosties and butted in on the 24 thing...so no sweat dude. Off the subject but...I got a set of Hayes HMX-1 mech. brakes and a set of avid 3's layin' around, which ones should I use? I'm really lost on what brake set-up I should go with...any ideas would be appreciated. thanks
Fast Fashion
10-24-2003, 01:47 AM
Run any old V-brake in the rear with KoolStop Salmon pads. In the front i would run the same thing or a avid mech. disc. I would avoid the hayes. Make sure you get good levers. Don't cheap out on the levers. I reccomend Shimano XTR or Avid Ultimates. Stay away from "hi-end cables". Use Shimano XTR or lesser. THe "hi-end" teflon cables feel like crap and are ussually worse that basic cable.
Pancho
10-24-2003, 08:29 AM
In reference to competitions:
Sure, you may not like them Jason, but has one ever tried to put the moves on you? Has one ever sweet talked you into a night of sweet sweet romance? No, comps are not Gay...
In fact, as Kevin said, they are the single best way to improve as a rider, no doubt about it. One of the BEST "street" rider I've ever met, Ryder Okumura, just returned from the World Championship in Lugano. Point I'm making is the best street riders are also incredible comp riders.
And Dolphin said it best, none of us will ever compare to the style, balls, and mad skill that BMX riders have.
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