Should I Be Worried? - Echo Hub

[mxeddiejo]

Is this a disaster waiting to happen? I have an Echo fixed hub and was running a 6spd cassette. I had to notch out the hub in 3 places to provide space for the pins that hold the cassette together. As you can see in the photos, the splined portion that holds the cassette is turning in the hub. How does that thing fasten in there? Is it threaded?... or am I a short distance from a major failure. It appears to have turned about 1/2 inch as indicated by the sheared aluminum.

Please advise.

[trauma100]

Run a wide base SS cog or two and a few spacer's and be worry free.

[kobrakai]

should you be worried? you should always be worried when your bike has the word ECHO written on it.

[AgrAde]

he's not talking about the notches in the spline. the whole spline is turning inside the shell.

you have a different generation of echo hub than i did, but if it's the same sorta thing it's threaded in. i stripped mine out and the spline just started spinning. i'd replace it before it goes on a big drop-gap.

[trauma100]

Ahhh... the whole thing's spinning.. got it.

New hub time holmes

[bklmrkt91]

should you be worried? you should always be worried when your bike has the word ECHO written on it.
echo frames arent that bad :dunno:

[stocktrials]

is it only turning in the hub backwards? :momaru:




ahh sorry. sounds like new hub time

[mxeddiejo]

Thanks guys. That hub is less than a year old and the spinning started just after a few months of riding, which for me was probably less than 20 hours of riding.

I'm running a single speed set up on it now, so perhaps I'll place some marks on everything and see if it's still turning. If it is threaded, perhaps it just needed to tighten itself down?:dunno: Not that I want to take a big fall, but it may take me a while to obtain a new setup.

[Bryan]

should you be worried? you should always be worried when your bike has the word ECHO written on it.
pfffft
echo > most

[Solomon Grundy]

or am I a short distance from a major failure.
Please advise.
Yes. Death is stocking you!!!!:squint: I have a Echo fixed 6-speed hub that is now a free hub. By free hub, I mean it can freely rotate forwards or backwards, the threads are totally gone. Once you start seeing the aluminum turning like that, hub death is eminant. It's not tightening its self, it was tight when it was shipped. Replace it before hub death = face death!

[mxeddiejo]

Man that sucks.

In the last couple of months, I've snapped 2 chains, replaced my FFW and cranks... now this. I'm up to like $600 within the last year... and for what? Now I need a new hub, probably a new headset and/or fork... I love trials.:run:

[goose]

Dude , it is too bad that things have been going on you. If you get the right stuff, though, parts should last well. Echo has a good reputation for frames, bars, stems, rims... but unfortunately their drivetrain components don't get good reviews.

I'd get a surly thread on hub and use the rim you already have.... won't cost too much and will last well for sure! Lots of riders use thread-on hubs with track cogs... were you running a BMX chain? Is singlespeed still an option?

good luck

[AgrAde]

well, it may not have been tight from the factory. it does seem weird that it has slipped that far but hasn't completely gone. i'd mark it, chuck it back together, put the brakes on and jump up and down on the front pedal. see if it moves.

when my hub went, it felt like my freewheel was tightening on a bit, but it got worse and worse over about 5 minutes until pedalling barely propelled you forward.

[BootsRiley]

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King Kog + King Hub, do it right the first time.

[bushlawyer]

, hub death is eminant.


:momaru:

[mxeddiejo]

The first chain I broke was just whatever came with the bike... lasted 3+yrs, then I got a SRAM PC-1 that lasted just over a month. Now I'm running a KMC Kool Chain (810) and I also bought a Shadow Conspiracy to have as a backup.

I recently dumped the cassette cogs and installed a King Cog, which is when I became worried about how far the spline had turned. From that time up til now, I've ridden several times and it's still holding up, although I didn't mark it, so I have no idea whether it has turned any further. I'll do that before riding today.

I had just replaced my echo cranks and WI FFW so would like to know if I can use those cranks and bashring to run a rear free wheel setup such as the HOPE PRO II or King. Anyone?

[Solomon Grundy]

If you have a FFW crank, yo can run a rear hub like a king or hope II. Just run a track cog on the front instead of a freewheel.

[goose]

You should def try to see if the thread has sheared/failed with some hard stomps on level ground!!!

hope/king is a good option with a track cog in front!!! But so much money.... The rear surly + track cog with your WI/echo is about a $100 + a wheel build. But if money isn't a problem, def go for a king, much more flexible in the long term. (that being said, I'm not sure I would have bought my king had I known the options... I use it now, cause it's a cassette version, yay shifting. But back when I had a trials-only rig, i think a thread-on hub would have done just fine.)

[mxeddiejo]

I'm certainly considering the Surly hub as an option due to price. I've got a new DX-32 and spokes on the way to build up my old echo hub and it appears that the spoke length is the same for the Surly hub, so I'll start surfing for the best price on the hub. My LBS wants $70 for the Surly.

I'll mark the old echo hub too and as long as it appears to be holding up, perhaps I'll save up for a better, more expensive hub, since I don't plan to give up trials anytime soon and would like flexibility with the various components.

Thanks for the info.