help . .What should I do in gym???

[WuYang]

which part of our body should be practiced??(for trial)

wanna be powerful ..

any expirences?:?

[Giant1118]

no gym for home?

[rush]

20lbs is 10lbs?

[justtysen]

lift your conjoined twin?

[BrettM]

Don't waste your time in a gym so you can ride a bike better. I workout 3 times a week and run 3 times in a week. I'm probably stronger than anybody around here but maybe Bentham and have way better cardio than the guys too. Unfortunately it does nothing for my riding and any one of the guys here can out gap, sidehop, up, ride me with little effort. When you get to being one of the top 10 in the world, maybe a little workout would make a little sense.

[beastoftheeast]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=VerticalJump

skip the plyos, riding will do the same.

[WuYang]

thank you who gave me answer.


Don't waste your time in a gym so you can ride a bike better. I workout 3 times a week and run 3 times in a week. I'm probably stronger than anybody around here but maybe Bentham and have way better cardio than the guys too. Unfortunately it does nothing for my riding and any one of the guys here can out gap, sidehop, up, ride me with little effort. When you get to being one of the top 10 in the world, maybe a little workout would make a little sense.

how many times you ride a week? how long you ride one time?

I often ride 2 hours then I was tired,thats sick
and have you felt that you cant jump as high/far as you can when you move without a breath?

After joined BIU comp my friend told me a strong body is so important for riders.

and I haven't seen a thin guy can do moves as huge as TRA did..

[beastoftheeast]

have you felt that you cant jump as high/far as you can when you move without a breath?


what? i dont think most people take a breath when they are jumping till the top or towards the top, not on take off. its a natural thing? maybe i dont understand what your saying.

if you feeling winded just ride long sections and ride hard. or go do intervals or something. if you want to go bigger practice. and lift a bit if your form is that good.

i dont think tra lifts to work on his hops. i think hes a power lifter and he might even compete i remeber hearing somewhere? send him a pm? guys can go as big as tra and are not as beastly as him. look at best comp riders. all are thinner than tra im pretty sure.

[justtysen]

The truth is that it the specifics don't matter too much unless you are already riding over 3 hours pretty much everyday. If you aren't my advice would simply be ride as often as you can for close to as long as you can. That said, I don't think you should always ride to exhaustion, and the more that you do the more you need to rest afterwards.

Two easy things to keep in mind are:
1: If you are significantly fatigued when you start a ride, you should be resting or at least doing more balance work than strength work.
2: If, after a while into a ride, you notice that you are starting to struggle to complete what you could when you started, take a short 7 min break and then try again. Each time you rest like this you will be able to push it for a little while longer, but the boosts will get weaker and weaker until you should just go home and rest.

Make sure you get 8 hours of sleep.
Stretch and massage sore muscles.

The combination of pushing yourself on the bike, and resting afterwards will make you stronger and more muscular in those areas which matter in trials. Using visualization and dedicated concentration can help you work the muscles that extra bit for increased performance, as well as a greater workout.

I don't doubt that gym work can help but unless you are a pro rider it is likely to detract from your on bike workouts which are more important.

Still, maybe some of the gym guys on this forum could give some exercise specific advice again? (It's confusing ya know)

Here's what some have said in the past:
http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/showthread.php?t=10070&highlight=gym+lifting+trials
http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/showthread.php?
http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/showthread.php?t=26954&highlight=gym+lifting+trialshttp://www.observedtrials.net/vb/showthread.php?t=26954&highlight=gym+lifting+trialst=15461&highlight=gym+lifting+trials (http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/showthread.php?t=15461&highlight=gym+lifting+trials)

[BrettM]

If I rode as much as I worked out I'd be a much better rider, but not in great shape. I don't ride much.

No offense to tra or anything but I wouldn't put him in any top 10. Go watch the top 10 guys in the world ride and marvel at their skinnyness.

Here is an example for you. With your way in thinking the guy with the biggest arm on the team should be able to throw the ball the fastest in baseball. Not the case at all. Even with hitting its bat speed, not power that hits a ball far.

Some people will probably mention plyos. Good idea and terrible idea. Pretty hard on the body and considering a lot of people on here are underage its a terrible idea. Riding will do the same.

[WuYang]

from some angles,TRA is a very excellent rider,as if he is a huge move man in your eyes.but who can do that TRA did?

top 10 are skinny? you forgot Benito,Carles,Hosel,Comas,etc. one section for Benito&Keita,whos the winner? I think Keita's tech is better than Benito sometimes,but he cant beat Benito in comp,now let you think about sth else

personal opinion...

[Giant1118]

20lbs is 10lbs?

:h5:

wtf

[WuYang]

if I haven't ride for a week then go out for riding,I must feel great. but if do every day,feel so so..

[brian_E]

it really really pains me to get involved in this conversation..

but skip the plyos? yeah do something that's completely irrevelant to riding a bike cuz that will help..

look at all the skinny guys? yeah the whole french team is filled with skinny roadies who jump over my head.. but i know of 2 spanish guys who have muscles in their eyeballs that jump over french guys.. there's a lot of genetics involved and certain things help certain people..

my point is this.. there's no substitute for hours upon hours on a bike.. but putting in work at the gym will absolutely help you on a bike.. but you have to do the right things, and in my opinion have to mix it up to keep it relevant.. do power moves, cardio moves, plyo moves all in one workout.. just like when you ride a bike.. do intervals for a couple months when there's snow everywhere and you can't do anything else.. there's no book to it where this is wrong and that is right.. you have to find what works best for you and what you want..

oh and i hate to tell you but there are 2 french brother that work in the gym regularly.. skinny fuckers too..

[FDS2223]

I recommend shaving you balls so that they dont drag on your legs so much when you tryng to pedal up. I did this morning and have already improved by a whole foot!

[greyghost]

The truth is that it the specifics don't matter too much unless you are already riding over 3 hours pretty much everyday. If you aren't my advice would simply be ride as often as you can for close to as long as you can. That said, I don't think you should always ride to exhaustion, and the more that you do the more you need to rest afterwards.

Two easy things to keep in mind are:
1: If you are significantly fatigued when you start a ride, you should be resting or at least doing more balance work than strength work.
2: If, after a while into a ride, you notice that you are starting to struggle to complete what you could when you started, take a short 7 min break and then try again. Each time you rest like this you will be able to push it for a little while longer, but the boosts will get weaker and weaker until you should just go home and rest.

Make sure you get 8 hours of sleep.
Stretch and massage sore muscles.

The combination of pushing yourself on the bike, and resting afterwards will make you stronger and more muscular in those areas which matter in trials. Using visualization and dedicated concentration can help you work the muscles that extra bit for increased performance, as well as a greater workout.

I don't doubt that gym work can help but unless you are a pro rider it is likely to detract from your on bike workouts which are more important.

Still, maybe some of the gym guys on this forum could give some exercise specific advice again? (It's confusing ya know)

Here's what some have said in the past:
http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/showthread.php?t=10070&highlight=gym+lifting+trials
http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/showthread.php?
http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/showthread.php?t=26954&highlight=gym+lifting+trialshttp://www.observedtrials.net/vb/showthread.php?t=26954&highlight=gym+lifting+trialst=15461&highlight=gym+lifting+trials (http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/showthread.php?t=15461&highlight=gym+lifting+trials)

Great Post.

Unless you have really specific exercise work, it probably wont hlp your bike too much....hire a professional

[madbiker66]

I'm going out riding.

[wimmeretz]

i learned to hate going to gym while i was on the road-bike - yes they have to, especially as a sprinter... - so i didn´t do it the last years. this winter i went for one single month - got a trainigplan from a former basketball-player(4 times a week); after this one single month my sidehop increased from a little over 7 pallets to about 8 pallets. Thomas Öhler was at about 8 pallets sidehop, then went into the RedBull-gym every Winter - now 9 pallets sidehop...
i hate to admit it, but that gym-stuff helps without a doubt, but as i hate it, this times are over now again...

[trauma100]

Keita trains with Marlboro's... start smoking FTW

[Giant1118]

last post is the truth, pick up a habbit, i personally like picking my nose

[rush]

My riding has improved a whole lot since I started running. Not size of moves, but certainly in being able to stay on the bike.

[beastoftheeast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GszNJ1NCWo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc_s4U7yuY4

[THEDEMOLITIONMAN]

Don't waste your time in a gym so you can ride a bike better. I workout 3 times a week and run 3 times in a week. I'm probably stronger than anybody around here but maybe Bentham and have way better cardio than the guys too. Unfortunately it does nothing for my riding and any one of the guys here can out gap, sidehop, up, ride me with little effort. When you get to being one of the top 10 in the world, maybe a little workout would make a little sense.


Brett, you still got your rematch for arm wrestling, if you want it..It's been 7 yrs almost, maybe you'll beat me this time..lol. Bretts right , I've never been to a gym in my life, I ride a lot and play other sports..mostly all cardio and sports that use a lot of muscle groups..I'm 245lbs and have 11% body fat and I just do more own thing.

If you want to go to the gym, then go for it..

THEDMAN

[BrettM]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't be physically fit and in good shape. That part is a great idea. I'm just saying whatever you do excersise wise that isn't necessary to be in a good overall state, would be better spent on the bike for all but the very elite. Go to the gym and work out a bit, run a little bit. Fine. But just enough to be in good shape.

I would increase my sidehop in a month if I got drunk everynight, but rode every day. That clearly means being hungover helps. Definately not progression.

Finally I read the first post and what I got was it was another kid looking for some weight technique to make him the next explosive tra. I think I'm pretty inline with brian y. Except on the plyos for the younger riders. Its fairly easy to mess up these things and do too much too fast and it can really hurt you.

Bobby I'd love a re-match. I work with a 140 pound guy at work that has trophys from competitions and he's taught me a lot. 245 is a ways out of my weight class tho. Haha.

[THEDEMOLITIONMAN]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't be physically fit and in good shape. That part is a great idea. I'm just saying whatever you do excersise wise that isn't necessary to be in a good overall state, would be better spent on the bike for all but the very elite. Go to the gym and work out a bit, run a little bit. Fine. But just enough to be in good shape.

I would increase my sidehop in a month if I got drunk everynight, but rode every day. That clearly means being hungover helps. Definately not progression.

Finally I read the first post and what I got was it was another kid looking for some weight technique to make him the next explosive tra. I think I'm pretty inline with brian y. Except on the plyos for the younger riders. Its fairly easy to mess up these things and do too much too fast and it can really hurt you.

Bobby I'd love a re-match. I work with a 140 pound guy at work that has trophys from competitions and he's taught me a lot. 245 is a ways out of my weight class tho. Haha.

I remember that day, we had our arm wrestling match, to see who'd get to sit in the front seat of James car..man that thing was so small.I need to get my ass back to BC again, I'm always down for a little arm wrestling.I'm sure that guy has taught some kick ass tech..

THEDMAN

[brian_E]

Its fairly easy to mess up these things and do too much too fast and it can really hurt you

i pay someone to tell me how because i'm not smart enough.. =P

:h5:

[Soapster887]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't be physically fit and in good shape. That part is a great idea. I'm just saying whatever you do excersise wise that isn't necessary to be in a good overall state, would be better spent on the bike for all but the very elite. Go to the gym and work out a bit, run a little bit. Fine. But just enough to be in good shape.

I would increase my sidehop in a month if I got drunk everynight, but rode every day. That clearly means being hungover helps. Definately not progression.

Finally I read the first post and what I got was it was another kid looking for some weight technique to make him the next explosive tra. I think I'm pretty inline with brian y. Except on the plyos for the younger riders. Its fairly easy to mess up these things and do too much too fast and it can really hurt you.

Bobby I'd love a re-match. I work with a 140 pound guy at work that has trophys from competitions and he's taught me a lot. 245 is a ways out of my weight class tho. Haha.

I hate to make it seem like I'M the young rider that could be getting hurt here, but what are Plyos?

[BrettM]

Quick bit of copy and paste. Much more info out there.

Plyometrics are exercises that work on speed, quickness and power. Plyometrics such as resisted jumping, assisted jumping and depth jumps can all help to improve your vertical jump, but it is extremely important that an athlete have the proper strength base before engaging in the types of plyometrics mentioned above.

[BootsRiley]

it really really pains me to get involved in this conversation..

but skip the plyos? yeah do something that's completely irrevelant to riding a bike cuz that will help..

look at all the skinny guys? yeah the whole french team is filled with skinny roadies who jump over my head.. but i know of 2 spanish guys who have muscles in their eyeballs that jump over french guys.. there's a lot of genetics involved and certain things help certain people..

my point is this.. there's no substitute for hours upon hours on a bike.. but putting in work at the gym will absolutely help you on a bike.. but you have to do the right things, and in my opinion have to mix it up to keep it relevant.. do power moves, cardio moves, plyo moves all in one workout.. just like when you ride a bike.. do intervals for a couple months when there's snow everywhere and you can't do anything else.. there's no book to it where this is wrong and that is right.. you have to find what works best for you and what you want..

oh and i hate to tell you but there are 2 french brother that work in the gym regularly.. skinny fuckers too..

Well put.

[trauma100]

Well put.

Take all of the Bill Brasky skits from SNL ...and put Brian Yezierski's name in instead of Bill Brasky!

[brian_E]

Take all of the Bill Brasky skits from SNL ...and put Brian Yezierski's name in instead of Bill Brasky!

:rofl: :rofl:

[mikeschiavone]

Everyone's kind of touched on it, but gym-work should only be done as a supplement to riding. Nothing beats riding. You will get better on the bike by riding your bike more, it's that simple.

I'm in much better shape as a rider after having ridden a road bike for a few years. I will probably incorporate a similar training structure into my trials riding. Gym work was only done in the winter time because the best way to train to get better is ON THE BIKE.

If you're getting tired, look into interval training. If you want to base it around competitions, then practice 8 two minute intervals, with 5-7 minutes rest between each interval. Only do intervals a few times a week, a couple weeks a month.

Hire a trainer. Show him a video of a trials competition. Let him analyze the video to better assimilate a training prgram for you.

[trauma100]

Thred jack...



"Brian Yezierski is a son of a bitch!"
"Brian Yezierski is the father of every kid in this town!"
"Brian Yezierski once showed me a video of him making love to my wife, and it was the most beautiful thing I ever saw!"
"One time I was with Yezierski in the back of a pickup truck, along with a live deer. Yezierski goes up to the deer and says, 'I'm Brian Yezierski! SAY IT!' Then he manipulates the deer's lips in such a way as to make it say, ''Brian Yezierski ... It wasn't exactly like it, but it was pretty good for a deer!'"
"He'd eat a homeless person if you dared him!"
"His poop is used as currency in Argentina."
"He sweats Gatorade"
"He once breast-fed a flamingo back to health."
"He hated Mexicans! And he was half Mexican! .......And he hated irony!"
"I once saw him scissor kick Angela Landsbury."
"He sheds his skin once a year."
"He makes brooms somewhere in Georgia."
"He did 3 tours in 'Nam...... I was in Corpus Christi on business a month ago. I had this eight foot tall Asian waiter, which made me curious. I asked him his name. Sure enough it's Ho Tran Yezierski !"
"I once saw him eat a whole live chicken."
"His favorite movie is 'One on One' with Robby Benson."
"He sleeps eight hours a night! ........ well, he was pretty normal when it came to that."
" Brian Yezierski was a two ton man-mountain who could palm a medicine ball!"

[Bryan]

Definitely don't do plyos when you're a kid. I did and it stunted my growth terribly.

[justtysen]

Trials pretty much is plyometrics.

[greyghost]

Definitely don't do plyos when you're a kid. I did and it stunted my growth terribly.

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that one......I saw Charles Poliquin speak the other day and he said that 8-10 years of age is the best for plyometrics. After that age, your not going to see the big gains that the young guns can get.

Dont Jump Kids! It'll stunt your growth!

[Bryan]

I was being sarcastic

[greyghost]

I was being sarcastic

:rofl: thank god

[brian_E]

Thred jack...



"Brian Yezierski is a son of a bitch!"
"Brian Yezierski is the father of every kid in this town!"
"Brian Yezierski once showed me a video of him making love to my wife, and it was the most beautiful thing I ever saw!"
"One time I was with Yezierski in the back of a pickup truck, along with a live deer. Yezierski goes up to the deer and says, 'I'm Brian Yezierski! SAY IT!' Then he manipulates the deer's lips in such a way as to make it say, ''Brian Yezierski ... It wasn't exactly like it, but it was pretty good for a deer!'"
"He'd eat a homeless person if you dared him!"
"His poop is used as currency in Argentina."
"He sweats Gatorade"
"He once breast-fed a flamingo back to health."
"He hated Mexicans! And he was half Mexican! .......And he hated irony!"
"I once saw him scissor kick Angela Landsbury."
"He sheds his skin once a year."
"He makes brooms somewhere in Georgia."
"He did 3 tours in 'Nam...... I was in Corpus Christi on business a month ago. I had this eight foot tall Asian waiter, which made me curious. I asked him his name. Sure enough it's Ho Tran Yezierski !"
"I once saw him eat a whole live chicken."
"His favorite movie is 'One on One' with Robby Benson."
"He sleeps eight hours a night! ........ well, he was pretty normal when it came to that."
" Brian Yezierski was a two ton man-mountain who could palm a medicine ball!"

i've been watching snl skits for the last 1/2 hour pissing myself..

"they use brasky's foreskin as a tarp when it rains at yankee stadium"

"he wears a live rattlesnake as a condom"

[[BMF] Chris]

"he wears a live rattlesnake as a condom"



:rofl:

[[BMF] Chris]

OMG that was my thousant post, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[WuYang]

hey,do you think do "spining" in the gym is good for trial???

[trauma100]

I think driving past the gym to go ride is good for trial

[bike otaku]

I think driving past the gym to go ride is good for trial
:h5:

It is true to avoid gym work-outs. Natural excercises like running, or better, sticking to your bike, as suggested by others is the best way to improve your trials strength/stamina.

What I've experienced during trials is that you need a strong back. I remember getting severe backaches during trials. Ryan Leech does yoga to improve his back endurance.

[brian_E]

who's ryan leech?

[Matt]

who's ryan leech?
I think he meant Brian Beech

[rush]

Brian is a nutcase.

[bklmrkt91]

maybe do some back excersizes... there all core workouts though so you dont even need to go to a gym. anyways ride more. gl

[Giant1118]

the only muscles u use riding a bike are your back...true story

[justtysen]

What I've experienced during trials is that you need a strong back.
Slack-seat-tubed, over-geared road bike. Stretches the hamstrings and strengthens the lower back.

[MIKE1968]

The gym has always been a great place to pick up other men.

[netto]

I could probably use some muscles

[stpatr3k]

Will you improve in trials if you have a toned midsection? Abs etc?

[mattyv8]

The gym has always been a great place to pick up other men.

HAHAHAhahaha bahah

I just stopped riding and workout all the time now to get buff and look good. Who cares about jumping high

[MIKE1968]

Will you improve in trials if you have a toned midsection? Abs etc?

When the guy on the squat rack getting all sweaty and screaming sees you flexing your hot abz in the mirror you better believe you'll get better at riding.

[Mehukatti]

I think it depends on your natural abilities, whether it is worthwhile to go to gym. Some people just have lots of explosive strength, but the rest of us hit a limit sooner or later. Of course one must first learn the proper technique, but the explosive strength in your body is also a big part in the equation.

I had the same things in my mind about two years ago. I felt like I had hit a limit on some power moves and felt I had tried to perfect my technique for years. I decided go to gym and now, two years later, I must say that it has made a noticeable difference.

I had programs made for me in the gym by the professionals that work there, which emphasized explosive power for legs. I don't remember them exactly, nor don't know names of the moves in english, but many of the moves involving legs were done explosively with certain percentage of the max weight that you can lift. Anyways, currently I just go to Bodypump classes (by Les Mills) and jump with weights, and I feel even this is quite beneficial for my riding.