Those who have gone from 18 point to 72 point engagement hubs

[bike otaku]

Just a question out of curiosity.
I used to have a trials bike with a 12 bit engagement Deore hub-really useless. During my time with it, I find myself afraid of doing big lurching drops-afraid that I won't be able to hold up my front wheel for long and fall over. I'm thinking maybe is that big engagement gap that's holding me back. I never really had the chance to feel how a 72 point engagement hub feels like, so I'm assuming it's easier to keep the front wheel up with a better hub since you only have to do tiny taps.
Not sure I'm right, since I won't be able to get back to riding anytime soon...
Anyone experienced the sameting before?

[Dr.dumb]

There is a huge diffeance between a deore and something better engagment. Things get much easer with 36 points or better.

[Noel]

every upgrades to a higher engagement hub or freewheel cause it makes gaps and other moves much easier.

[Elan]

just the difference it makes in your confidence will help make you a better rider almost instantly.

[DGrabiec]

I did that move a while back and instantly became a better rider, not just confidence, but every move can be done more precisely because you pretty much get instant power without waiting for the hub to engage. Next to a trials specific frame and probably decent brakes, a hub with more engagements helped me progress the most. Although anything past 72 I feel doesn't make the hugest difference for most riders.

[bklmrkt91]

the engagement is so important. the deore hub will not cut it for trials. i suggest you get a new hub or switch to FFW. makes a big difference

[carnagr]

Anything past 48 is not necessary. There is a slightly noticable difference between 48 and 72, but you get used to either in about 10 minutes. Hope Pro II is the way to go, best hub ever.

[chronic]

Eh, i wouldn't go as far to say anything over 48 is useless. Sure the engagement is a bit better between that and a king. But its still a bit quicker.
I thought I could get into an acs claw on my mod, I didn't think it would piss me off as much as it does. But I fucking hate it! I want to bring it to work and melt it with the torch. If effects my set ups on side hops, it screws my gaps up. I loathe it.

So after riding that for a couple months collectively, and riding my pure with a king, I've decided I'll always opt for more. It helps so much more than I could have imagined before I switched back n fourth.
So, yeah quick engagement is a must in my books.

[Mr_Penut]

deore to king is like the first time you touch boob

[carnagr]

deore to king is like the first time you touch boob

:h5:

[lewisdaly]

i couldnt imagine using anything less than 72 points.

:)

[Matt]

deore to king is like the first time you touch boob
most here will own a king before that happens

[MIKE1968]

OHSNAP l

[[BMF] Chris]

i havent lurched on a bike since like 97'


good one matt, i cant give you any more poz though, maybe in real life if you want :hsugh:

[stpatr3k]

deore to king is like the first time you touch boob

How would it be for me who came from something lower than a deore? I think it had less engagement since it was missing a pawl :momaru:

most here will own a king before that happens

That was funny. :momaru:

Seriously, it was worlds apart, at that time I really sucked (as opposed to less sucking now) and after a pedal kick gap the long wait (like a fraction of a second) before my hub engages while ratcheting after landing a gap made me loose balance or drop the front tire.

I remember back then I kicked with the same force to get on the rear tire as I would or even less to gap over a bikes length now, my shimano hub exploded eventually.

However now if I use a deore I wouldn't fail like before since I know a bit more but its like going almost chainless :momaru:.

The King taught me to recover. Of course I gapped over a foot longer instantly not to mention the solid kick it gives = confidence. It was like technology coping up with my lack of skills. I have tried hub with a bit more engagement than a deore on other bikes. I think it would do wonders as well over a deore always.

I would always recommend going for more engagement either a king, a hope or even a FFW. Its the only way to go.

[no_seat_no_ED]

most here will own a king before that happens

:hahano:

boob virgins

[JK]

18pt shimano freehub feels like you`re going to die right away. There`s not a huge difference between 32 pt ACS and 72 pt WI freewheels though.

Weld that deore freehub to make it a fixed hub, and get some front freewheel cranks and an ACS claws freewheel. You`ll notice a huge difference right away.

[bike otaku]

Anything past 48 is not necessary. There is a slightly noticable difference between 48 and 72, but you get used to either in about 10 minutes. Hope Pro II is the way to go, best hub ever.

And how noticable is that difference?

[Juhan]

I went from a deore to a RB hub, that was LOADS better(about 36 engagement points, but it used a clutch system so it felt kind of instant), but broke in like 2 weeks, then after that came an acs claws, that was OK and didn't really hold me back, becase it has 36 engagement points. Now I have a Monty FFW that's just awesome. Really solid feeling, quick engagement and good price.

[BEagle]

I never tried anything with less than 72 engagement points on a trials bike. But switching between Try All 108.9 (108 e.p.) and WI ENO (72 e.p.) I really can't feel any difference. Maybe I'm not good enough to feel it... :coold:

[airfruit]

And how noticable is that difference?

I went from a king to a hope pro 2 two or three months ago. You can notice that it doesn't engage as fast, but the difference takes about 15 min to get use to. Well, half of it is mental I think. (OMG! less ENGAGMENTS!!!)

I found the biggest difference between the king and the hope is the freehub drag or whatever u call it. The hope has a lot less drag for me. The cranks spun easier. I also love the loud pawl sound. Its the loudest hub ever!!! Maybe that's why my king is just seating around, hahahahah

[Rodmunch]

Interested in selling your King?

[airfruit]

I know someone might ask that! lol, king is my backup hub...

[DanBowhers]

I went from shitmano to King about 6 or so years ago and immediately was able to ride better. I couldnt necesarilly pedal kick further, but rear wheel moves were more precise, balance lines easier, setting up for tricks was easier, natural was so much more fun.

I havent ridden trials for an extended period for about 2-3 years...christ maybe longer. I am on a trials bike again with a Hope hub and its great. It feels really stiff, as in confidence inspiring. It doesnt engage as quick as a king, but I kind of like that for anything riding fakie...

[bike otaku]

I found the biggest difference between the king and the hope is the freehub drag or whatever u call it. The hope has a lot less drag for me. The cranks spun easier. I also love the loud pawl sound. Its the loudest hub ever!!! Maybe that's why my king is just seating around, hahahahah

Freehub drag? What do you mean by less drag?

[tomacropod]

The resistance from the freehub when spinning it backwards. It has to do with the 17 bearings kings have on the driveside.

- Joel

[Juhan]

And the fact that instead of 4 or whatever pawls engaging to some teeth king has 72 teeth against 72 teeth :coold:

[airfruit]

I'm not saying the drag is a badddd thing here, haha. I'm just saying the difference between 72 to 48 engagements for me is less than the difference in feel of the freehub drag. That's ALL!

[alain_yong@hotmail.com]

I've been doing trials for 10+ years and resisted changing from my shimano hubs for a long time. I got a Chris King last year and i must admit it makes a HUGE difference. It's all about subtlety. When you are losing control on your rear wheel, the ability to make minor adjustments allows you to stay on your rear wheel. The Shimano hub just doesn't do it for subtle adjustments.

[stpatr3k]

How long at a time did you destroy your shimano if ever? When I was learning I rebuild my Shimano almost every month changing the axle, cone etc.