For Macbeth

[dannyboy]

the avatar of choice :h5:

[j5ive]

Ok, heres a question for you.
Non deng parts?

All I can come up with is magura and middleburn.

[jda]

Ok, heres a question for you.
Non deng parts?

All I can come up with is magura and middleburn.

Off the top of my head

Koxx/Tryall
Zhi
Viz
Heatsink
Atomz
Monty
Simtra
Meta

to name a few....

[j5ive]

Zhi and Viz are just cheap asian parts too right?

[dannyboy]

pashley, inspired, ozonys, bt etc for frames

parts: fsa, middleburn, tryall, avid, shimano, hope, magura, king, easton, azonic, schwalbe, maxxis, etc... could think of more but cant be arsed.

Its easy to be Non-Deng, and it shows a bit of self-respect :D

[j5ive]

fsa, avid, shimano, hope, magura, king, easton, azonic, schwalbe, maxxis

Non of these are trials brands though :P

[dannyboy]

haha... yeah but if u respect yourself youll use some of these parts.

lord knows mtb companies have more money to do r&d and produce better parts than trials companies do. *not that all trials companies even do r&d lol!

[jda]

:werd:

Deng's R&D is to release a product onto the market and then if everybody breaks it he will change it the next year.

[Macbeth]

:love:

Thanks Dan.... The one of the main ideas with my BT was to build a bike with as few trials specific bits as possible, and apart from the frame and chainring/bash I have done that.... AK is on the same program....

It just bugs me that trials is the one discipline that requires the best strength to weight ratio of any cycling componentry yet it seems the whole industry is geared toward shit being cheap, or practical yet shittily manufactured..... Working in the general cycling industry opened my eyes to that a bit.....

Anyway, enough ranting.... Thanks again Dan

[rush]

:rolleyes:

[Hooha]

Although he started off with some *far from* original designs, Deng has supplied the market with products that are cheap, relatively durable and trials specific and for this we should all be thankful. Praise Deng for he is our trials saviour...:bigthumb:

[jda]

Yeah I like his frames, just not to keen to use his parts unless I really have to.

[Rodmunch]

Its easy to be Non-Deng, and it shows a bit of self-respect :D

Preach on brother!

[Nathan]

Praise Deng for he is our trials saviour...:bigthumb:
:umno:
The only Deng thing I'm running is the frame... I'm not anti-deng, I'm anti-cheap-chinese-shit.
Why bother if you can do the job better with other parts...

[stocktrials]

im on the Deng free program :)
Euro stylezz

[bushlawyer]

i agree with you macbeth about the trials industry producing some of the worst parts.

Dan. I used to be anti-deng aswell but I think since the 05/06 gear started coming out, I've turned to the darkside..... A Deng frames would my first choice at the moment, regardless of price.

We've all dropped heaps of cash for try-all/koxx/monty frames and parts only to find they are pathetic.

[Hooha]

:umno:
The only Deng thing I'm running is the frame... I'm not anti-deng, I'm anti-cheap-chinese-shit.
Why bother if you can do the job better with other parts...

My point was that without Deng and his cheap chinese shit we would all still be forced to eat(buy) expensive french and/or spanish shit.... at least with Deng and his compatriots supplying the lower end of the market there is a choice for the unfashionable.

[owen]

Yeah, and I like how my control has oversize rear dropouts, and how the integrated booster is welded 4mm to the left. Its cool.

[dannyboy]

lol.... :D i luv this thread!!!

[jda]

Yeah, and I like how my control has oversize rear dropouts, and how the integrated booster is welded 4mm to the left. Its cool.

Come on Owen, your bike is just a little unique which gives it a some character, like my Pure with the plus size headtube, you can just push the headset in by hand, no need for tools ;)

[Macbeth]

My point was that without Deng and his cheap chinese shit we would all still be forced to eat(buy) expensive french and/or spanish shit.....

Untrue.... You could buy non-trials stuff and be happy..... Mavic, Easton, Alex, Hope.... There are plenty of options that are much better made and way more durable than any trials parts..... Just gotta get a nice frame to hang it all on....

[Macbeth]

i luv this thread!!!

x2 :h5:

[Weetbix]

The way I see it is Deng is supplying cheap parts which makes the sport more open for beginners and people without tonnes of money to throw into a bike. Not to mention the competition it introduces which will help make even cheaper and higher quality parts from not only Deng but other competing companies.

+1 for Deng

[GarthMc]

So what about the fact that Deng has made trials avaliable to the masses that can't afford a $2000 starting rig?

Yes there are problems with plenty of the components, but the fact that he has forced the price down so that you can have a fairly decent complete rig for AUD$1000 I think is something to be thankful for.
Sure, us more experienced riders aren't going to use Deng Cranks or his funky splined rear hubs, but there is a place for his stuff. (see what I did there? I made it sound like I still ride trials, tricky huh?)

And Macbeth, don't tell me you would have the bike you have now if you had to pay retail for the parts on it. It'd come to what? $3000? A little more maybe? Not to say we wouldn't all like your bike, but most people do need to get some parts on the cheap, and Deng is a way there for those that don't work in a shop or have Parents like Naz.......

-Garth

[Macbeth]

Who pays retail seriously....?

You could get the exact build I have for the same, maybe less than I payed if you look around online..... Price isn't the issue

[dannyboy]

personally id rather pay a little bit extra for a non deng part and know its a strong and tested product...

Its funny this has all spun out of an avatar pic :D

[dannyboy]

Who pays retail seriously....?


:werd:

[GarthMc]

You could get the exact build I have for the same, maybe less than I payed if you look around online..... Price isn't the issue

Of this statement, I am highly sceptical.

For you, no price wasn't an issue, I know you would put $2000+ into a bike now cause you know you'd ride it. For a newbie, that's a pretty big commitment to the unknown.

-Garth

[dannyboy]

its definately possible to get a bike at a cheaper price than those who work in the bike industry do (who pay cost price). All the years iv been in the industry whether sales repping, mechanic or store manager... Iv always been impressed and surprised at how many parts are available online cheaper than you can buy it for in australia at wholesale!!

Im sure other ppl will agree... places like chainreactioncycles are the answer! Non trials products, at great prices, that will outlast and outperform 90% of trials bits..

[Macbeth]

Of this statement, I am highly sceptical.

For you, no price wasn't an issue, I know you would put $2000+ into a bike now cause you know you'd ride it. For a newbie, that's a pretty big commitment to the unknown.

-Garth

Yes, I spent a lot of money on my bike..... It's the last trials bike i plan on buying for a long time, and I'm sure that the frame and parts will tenfold outlast a trials specific build which was the other option.... Worth the money in my opinion.

I am going to build my old Zoo Pitbull up, full non-trials specific build for under $1500 retail..... It is totally do-able.... V-brakes, DX32, Shimano cranks.... You don't NEED 48mm wide rims or hydros and shit when you are a beginner.... I remember when I started..... Small XC frame, 28mm Mavic rims. Really basic build . That doesn't seem to happen anymore....

Good frame, good fork, cheap name-brand components..... Upgrade shit as you get better and it breaks.... Fuck Deng (and trials componentry in general)

And before you all say 'HEY MOTHERFUCKER, you rode trials specific stuff for years....' Yes I did.... And watching myself on Trials Is Dead I am extremely disappointed with how lazy and flow-less my riding had become.....

Changing to really well made stuff that actually FEELS LIKE A REAL BIKE has changed the way I ride and generally made my riding a more enjoyable experience.... I urge more of you to give it a go....

I'll fuck off now

[dannyboy]

fKyE!


good point: bak in the day we all used non trials (and non deng!) parts and they were cheaper and lasted a reasonable amount of time. WHY? because they were made by MTB companies who committed $$ to r&d and provided strong parts.

[Gaz]

Last time I checked Zoo was a Deng brand right Adam....

But I do think Parts is one thing and frames is another. I don't see the point in buying components from DENG/ZHI/etc like BB, bars, hubs when you can buy better quality from recognised non-trials brands which will last n times longer.

Frames on the other hand, I think Deng has lowered the bar (price and quality wise) which has been great for the consumer and especially the beginer with little cash. I don't think any beginer wants to have to ride an XC frame doing trials if the don't have too. Being able to get trials geometry for cheap is definately a good thing, even if it is at the expense of quality.

[Hooha]

Its funny this has all spun out of an avatar pic :D

That it is, although i'm wondering what your motivation was for posting this thread "For Macbeth". What with a few guys new to the site looking for a bike and you still having a Ozony frame for sale it just seems a little too timely to whip up an anti competitor frenzy.

[Macbeth]

That it is, although i'm wondering what your motivation was for posting this thread "For Macbeth". What with a few guys new to the site looking for a bike and you still having AN Ozony frame for sale it just seems a little too timely to whip up an anti competitor frenzy.

IT'S A MOTHER FUCKING CONSPIRACY...........!!!! :ugh:

Dan and I, despite not really having had any time for each other over the last couple of years, have been talking about the crapiness of trials stuff a lot lately....

He mentioned a few weeks ago that he was thinking of starting an Anti-Deng product line.... Perhaps an avatar is just the beginning.....???

[rush]

o snap

[dannyboy]

as adam said... plus - iv got more reason than most to be anti-deng... not going to explain why. im sure ppl can work it out..

not limited to avatars... keep an eye out :D

Im not concerned at all bout competitors - sellin a couple of ozonys frames is hardly going back into business. I doubt anyones sitting at home going "mmm a echo or an ozonys???" lol! given that the ozonys is twice or 3 times as much as the echo and rides much nicer/stiffer/lighter.

anyone got a 68x128 isis bb they can LEND me (for 2-3 weeks) ???

[PaulG]

jeepers it makes me wonder what we used to do before deng and before Koxx and before there was such a thing as a trials specific part(monty doesn't count don't go there)

all i know is when i got some giant rigid forks for my Zaskar LE, THAT was a trials beast and not a single deng part to be found.

It's just like cars some people pay the extra for something... good, other people drive deawoo's they both get you there just in different ways.

[kieldp]

as adam said... plus - iv got more reason than most to be anti-deng... not going to explain why. im sure ppl can work it out..

not limited to avatars... keep an eye out :D

Im not concerned at all bout competitors - sellin a couple of ozonys frames is hardly going back into business. I doubt anyones sitting at home going "mmm a echo or an ozonys???" lol! given that the ozonys is twice or 3 times as much as the echo and rides much nicer/stiffer/lighter.

anyone got a 68x128 isis bb they can LEND me (for 2-3 weeks) ???

I have one, but it is a... Deng bb :naughty:

[Macbeth]

That should work out nicely.... You'd almost get three weeks out of one, as long as you didn't ride everyday ;)

[TrialsinKy]

Dont buy Chinese parts, the lead paint will kill you!

[Rodmunch]

That or the food poisoning.

[bushlawyer]

mod riders are still a little stuck when it comes to this issue tho...... we don't have as many options......specially 160mm cranks.....

guess you southerners wouldn't understand. Qld is turning into the land of the mods! - hooyaah!

[dannyboy]

BONZ cranks :D

but yeah i agree reid... its hard for mods to avoid using deng products.

[bushlawyer]

bonz don't exist anymore. or, actually they don't make FFW cranks anymore. they are still on the website but they haven't manufactured any for a long time. shame cause they were really nice i hear.

my adamant mod has been great. I should have my hydrox built for the comp this weekend dan. so after that snaps in 3 months time I'll go back to the adamant :)

[dannyboy]

haha nice... shame bout the bonz... i had a set of them years ago!! buggers me where they are now.

good luck at comp dude. im stil waitin on bike :(

[jda]

Hey Dan, why did you go for an ozonys over the Koxx Karbon? I had a ride on Joe Brewer's Karbon and it felt very nice!

[dannyboy]

ay mate.. couple of reasons -
first up tyre clearance. the karbon was very limited as to what size rear tyre u could run. My beloved schwalbe big betty didnt fit :(
secondly, iv always ridden steeper headangles and the karbon felt very slack.
lastly, the mental factor of always protecting the top tube, when bailing or stacking bikes in van etc. always took care of it, but it was just something else to always have to watch..

apart from that, it was the opportunity to get the ozonys direct from bruno. and do a bit of small time selling again.. i loved my karbon.
Im sure Joel Whitburn is loving it too!!