BT Raven 8.0?

[bogus111]

Since BT Poland is one of the most inovative trials brands I'm interested in seeing what are they cooking.

Rav, care to show a sneak preview of what you got up your sleeve?

[rav]

We would relly like to show BT RAVen 8.0 samples/specs, customers are the most important for us, but after noticed situation with MONTY 2008 and RIP OFF DOB on the market before official MONTY 2008 production, we decided to show it when new BT RAVens 8.0 2008 frames will be mass produced and delivered to Poland. We'll publish 2008 frames and parts specs at the end of September 2007.

Realy sorry and thanks for patience/understanding.

[aki]

Smart move :) Then again you guys did an amazing job with the 7.0 I just wish I had one :)

[Smallville]

I had just PMed Rav about the new Raven 8.0 frame before I found this thread. I realy like the looks of the Raven 7.0 and I regret I did not by one earlyer this year when I bought a frame. I cant wait till he posts some info or pics here on the forum or his site, bet it will be an awsome frame. Wounder if he will make matching forks again like he did to the Raven 6.0. I just hope he keeps thoose lovely looking dropouts till the 8.0 version.

By the way, he did not revel anything when I PMed him, guess we have to wait till late september. Maybe we can make some guesses here and at the end of september we will see how close we came.

[Oskar]

Rav, you should have +20mm or +40mm reardisc mount on the new frame!

[Yurich]

Can't wait! You guys are my favorite company by far...Innovative and beautiful frames! Love my 7

[Caesbiketrial]

cant wait!! i want to see the new ciguenas

[carnagr]

Pleaaase make the WB on the 8.0 a tad longer, 1080-1090. The 7.0 was absolutely perfect other than that.

[Smallville]

Rav, you should have +20mm or +40mm reardisc mount on the new frame!

I would love to see that too. I found an old post by Rav where he mentioned that they where testing that for the next frame.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
Would be even nicer if it was at least +20mm or +40mm, like on the Simtra. That way you could run a bigger rotor without flexy adaptors, like on Rav's bike...

Quote:
Rav
Its currently done on BT RAVen 8.0...with horizontal dropout - we test it. Realy sorry I can't provide spy photos...official photos will provide around September 2007

[bogus111]

Fair enough, must beware of the thieves :)

RAVen 7.0 was almost spot on except it was a tad too short, disc mount wasn't +40 and it had no integrated brake booster.

And a minor remark, this can be totally personal, there wasn't any flow in the design of the frame, front triangle and the rear triangle didn't match.

Looking forward to September.

[rush]

This thread is pretty funny though.

[Smallville]

Maybe we will see a short and a long version again, with thoose nice dropouts.

Short 1060-1080
Long 1080-1100

That would be nice, maybe a disc only version with the lower toptube seen on the 6.0. I hope Rav sticks to the anodised finish instead of regular paint/powdercoat finish, maybe a few to choose from.

[eastside]

Rumor has it that the 8.0 will be amazing. I love my 7.0 light. It's the best bike I've ridden. It's flickable like a 1060 but taps like a 1090. I am very impresed with it.

It will be nice to see that the rear disc tab will be a +40 (I hope)

[Smallville]

So Rav its getting closer to end of september now, any delays or will we see the Raven 8.0 realy soon?

[olli]

Will it have v-brake mounts?
Here's hoping

[lucky13]

I rode the "light" version of the 7.0 and thought,.. "Damn, if only it didn't have all that crap in the rear dropouts/disc tabs this thing would be super-rad light."

[r464]

The only thing I wish for in the Raven 8.0 would be the ability to use King Fun Bolts without any modifications.

[rocpyro]

It would be really cool for it to be around 1100. Length is the only reason I won't but the 7.0.

[KMT]

It would be really cool for it to be around +35. BB rise is the only reason I won't buy the 7.0.

[Smallville]

It would be really cool if Rav released some info this week, he has said end of september and thats now i think.

[grzessz]

On polish forum he is selling his old 7.0 because he got 8.0. So soon more info.

[eastside]

The only thing I wish for in the Raven 8.0 would be the ability to use King Fun Bolts without any modifications.




I agree. There was nothing more awkward than taking a drill to my new built in tensioners.

But it worked out fine and still does.

[rocpyro]

It would be really cool for it to be around +35. BB rise is the only reason I won't buy the 7.0.

+1


and same on the ability to use funbolts. I'm about to buy a new frame soon, when will this be released?

[wimmeretz]

for me, geo would have been just perfekt, but no fun bolts, no care...

i would like to see a simple but lighter tensioning-system, like on the new MBK frames, i know, this wouldn´t be the very best for using rear disc...

and it would be so nice, if the frame would get a bit lighter - i think 2 kg is a little too much, i wouldn´t care about a little flex:riaa:

but nevertheless, BT 7.0 was one of the most interesting and innovative frames ever made for our sport...

[Sondre]

+1

I think BT should focus more on weight, but still remain strong. Tough one dat is. I love the bend on the toptube, but the '07 looked a lill'high considering most other frames nowadays.

Sell me something Rav :)

[Monty99]

Where Is Iiiit???!!! Let Me Seeee!!!!

[Ninja]

Anytime soon?

[Smallville]

Anytime soon?

I double that! Rav seems to be on this forum nearly everyday but he never post in this topic, now when its so close to be released cant you show something to us, or has it got delayed?

[rav]

I double that! Rav seems to be on this forum nearly everyday but he never post in this topic, now when its so close to be released cant you show something to us, or has it got delayed?

Yeach we have delay, sorry ;-( Frames will be there at the begining of November + airbrush painting so middle of November.

[Smallville]

Yeach we have delay, sorry ;-( Frames will be there at the begining of November + airbrush painting so middle of November.

Airbrush painting! Does that mean that the lovely black anodized color is gone? I wait so mutch for this frame and i could die for more info but i know Rav want tell mutch. I guess i have to wait till november, the only good thing is that i can save more money till that day come.

[Smallville]

Come on Rav, show it for us!

[dannyboy]

Yo Rav! dont show us!!!
thats right players.... DONT show us RAV :D

.... Deng will copy it and av it under his 100th brandname before the sun rises again.

Dengineered!!

[Macbeth]

I totally agree.....

As much as I want to see this frame, I would hate to see some piece of shit copy floating around before the real one arrives....

You show us when you are good and ready Rav....

Keep it secret..... Keep it safe

[lucky13]

"I can not find comfort eagle"

[Smallville]

I totally agree.....

As much as I want to see this frame, I would hate to see some piece of shit copy floating around before the real one arrives....

You show us when you are good and ready Rav....

Keep it secret..... Keep it safe

In one way I agree with you, but I want to see that frame so badly. I want to go dual disc and I think this frame will be something extra, maybe the best dd stock frame?

[Monty99]

the 7.0 wasn't copied even once, was it?
btbike.com is now updated, its says now "end of november" :(

[epock7]

"I can not find comfort eagle"



:rofl:

[wimmeretz]

end of November Rav! :squint: :sadwavey:

[rav]

They are at Painting factory now in Poland, also Airbrush painters works on it.
Custom Airbrushed is back ;-)
http://www.btbike.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/bt_50_51.jpg

Hope will publish photos within 10 days

Sorry to keep You waiting

[Smallville]

Hope there will be an anodized version to, the anodized 7.0 was stunning. Airbrush painting is a bit to mutch, anodized is clean and sexy.

[toyota200x]

Wow, a BT 8.0 already. It seems like the 7.0 has barely been on the market. I also don't know what could be improved.

[WhiteRavenKS]

Wow, a BT 8.0 already. It seems like the 7.0 has barely been on the market. I also don't know what could be improved.

there's more meat in this one. and from factory famrs this time.

[owen]

And the award for the most eagerly awaited, and delayed release of a trials frame goes to?????:Wavey:

[lucky13]

there's more meat in this one. and from factory famrs this time.

The chicken of TOMORROW! TODAY!

[WhiteRavenKS]

The chicken of TOMORROW! TODAY!

i cant wait for a chicken that weighs 13 pounds, has no beak, no legs, and no feathers...



and gives everyting cancer.

[lucky13]

Imagine a BT that gives so much more!

[Bryan]

Imagine a BT that gives so much more!
:rofl:

[raimund-aut]

It is finally out!!


www.btbike.com

[Keith Courage]

Blam!

[bwagner]

the pic looks pretty cool. Specs and more pics tomorrow

[rav]

New Compared to BT 7.0

Rear Disc Tab IS2000 + 20mm
(HOPE MONO TRIAL 180mm fits rotor 180mm without any adaptor)

Rear Horizontal Dropout fits ChrisKing funbolts

Rear Horizontal Dropout more adjustable 365mm-390mm (WB 1072mm at Gearing 18/15T=CS 379mm)

Top tube more bend for Tuckage technique

BT RAVEN 8.0 VERTICAL will publish tomorrow

[grzessz]

Frame looks nice. Can't wait till someone publish whole bike. Good job Rav

[FoxRacer]

have you guys seen 8.0?? Looks quite nice if you ask me!:)

[Henri]

Sorry dont like, the bend is too big in my opinion. Would look much cooler being a straight frame.

[dannyboy]

agree with Henri... a straight top tube wud av been nicer. OR lowering the rear stays so you dont av a pointy bit to land on:D lol

a straight top tube like in my dodgy pic wud av made it look better imo. but im no engineer and im sure there is a reason its the way it is. just my 2c.

disappointing though.. was really looking forward to this frame

[rav]

OR lowering the rear stays so you dont av a pointy bit to land on:D lol

Will try to add full bike build up soon.
Lower rear stays doesn't fits 50-52mm rims (new 2008) by cranks magura cylinder clerance.

[dannyboy]

ok thanks for explaining rav :)

stil imo a straight top tube wud look nicer. But i am a BT fan and im sure itll ride brilliantly!!

[rafal]

i'll put my full bike on BT 8.0 tommorrow, so keep lookin'

Cant wait to try that beast

[Yurich]

Killer! It's hard to judge the TT bend until we see a complete build, but I love BT for what it is, and, in my opinion, it's a very original design....Want straight tube? Get one of the other 208345847 frames available. I like exclusivity.

Rav, how are the funbolts held in the dropouts? Will it only take 12mm axles now, or is there a slot for getting them in?

[lucky13]

I already web rode the shit out of it. It's okay, but why the extra brake mounts?

[trauma100]

agree with Henri... a straight top tube wud av been nicer. OR lowering the rear stays so you dont av a pointy bit to land on:D lol

a straight top tube like in my dodgy pic wud av made it look better imo. but im no engineer and im sure there is a reason its the way it is. just my 2c.

disappointing though.. was really looking forward to this frame
Let me guess... your British

[kobrakai]

I already web rode the shit out of it.

LOL

[dannyboy]

Let me guess... your British
lol... what an insult :rant2:

aussie!!!

[Keith Courage]

Your internet shorthand makes you sound like a cockney reject.

8.0 is gnar kill. BTs are sick.

[CoppellStereo]

Bt Power

[bwagner]

More pics online now. No build shots, just more details on the frame

[BillyM]

It looks fucking indestructable, but I don't think it looks that great. That curve/the seat tube is waaaay too big I think. But it might look a bit better when its built up.

[rav]

http://www.btbike.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/btraven80_h_build_up_s.thumbnail.jpg (http://www.btbike.com)

[Keith Courage]

It looks good just not as good as I thought it would be built up.
And who cares? The bend serves a functioning purpose.

BT's are the shit.

[Yurich]

Looks like a trials bike.

[Bryan]

looks good
what's the bb rise with a normal person fork?

+20 instead of +40 ftl though. With +40 you can still use a front caliper (no adapter) to choose between 185 and 203. With the +20 if you want a 203 you have to use an adapter. I'm skeptical of rear disc 185 holding under heavy people.

[rav]

looks good
what's the bb rise with a normal person fork?


BB height: +20 mm with 420 mm fork (420mm from hub axle to bottom head) ZOO FORK 2007/2008 (Fork is 405mm in real but its added bottom headset 15mm

I've done for You some simulation how fork length influence to BB high.
http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/21528.jpeg
http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/21529.jpeg
http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/21530.jpeg
http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/21531.jpeg

[Macbeth]

Thankyou Rav..... Looks like it will ride great, but I will be sticking with my 7.0 for now....

I'd REALLy love to see a sleek, straight top tube, disc only bike from you, as I am always going to run a rear disc on any frame you make with the current dropout design, magura caliper clearance isn't an issue for me personally.....

I am still a devoted 'BT Only' guy, but I am going to wait and see what you do in the future before I trade up.....

[dannyboy]

Thankyou Rav..... Looks like it will ride great, but I will be sticking with my 7.0 for now....

I'd REALLy love to see a sleek, straight top tube, disc only bike from you, as I am always going to run a rear disc on any frame you make with the current dropout design, magura caliper clearance isn't an issue for me personally.....

I am still a devoted 'BT Only' guy, but I am going to wait and see what you do in the future before I trade up.....


:werd:

Id love a disc only frame from BT!!
that way it could be like the modified pic i did above but also lower in rear triangle as clearance of calipers wudnt be a concern... will be keen to see what the future holds.

Bike does look nicer built. imo it looks bit weird tho... like the front triangle doesnt match the rear. but thats only aesthetics. as long as it rides well.

(hope im not sounding like a .. cockney reject! lol)

[aki]

At first I was like WHAT?! but the more I look at it, just like the 7.0 when it first came out, it looks awesome.

The 8.0 kind of reminds me of a moto trials. Something about that bend on the top tube extends naturally to the rear wheel nicely. For me at least the geometry sounds just right.

[rav]

:werd:

Id love a disc only frame from BT!!
that way it could be like the modified pic i did above but also lower in rear triangle as clearance of calipers wudnt be a concern... will be keen to see what the future holds.

Bike does look nicer built. imo it looks bit weird tho... like the front triangle doesnt match the rear. but thats only aesthetics. as long as it rides well.

(hope im not sounding like a .. cockney reject! lol)

Please kindly note that we desinged this frame shape not for fun. BT frame should fitt all 2008 parts for example rim 50mm wide.

Typical 47mm rim is a real problem if you have HS magura brake, that's why Deng designed shorter Dengura calipers for fix crank clerance problem at super low frames. 2008 season brings new rims 50mm wide so only higher rear triangle fix that problem.
http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=4507&stc=1&d=1142940023

[dannyboy]

yeah i understand that rav, was just saying that if it was a disc only frame... you would not need the clearance your talking about for calipers. :)

[Macbeth]

Perhaps, instead of a horizontal and a vertical frame, MAYBE next time a disc only, super low straight frame and a rim brake bendy top tube frame...... Just an idea.....

I understand the reason for the 8.0, and it's super practical.....

[hopsalot]

With the rear drop outs could I us my Stealth hub or any other conventional hub wheel or do I need to add a King with fun bolts to the price?

[rav]

With the rear drop outs could I us my Stealth hub or any other conventional hub wheel or do I need to add a King with fun bolts to the price?

Dropout fits any bolt on 10mm axle hubs. All Deng range, hope pro/pro II, BT, VIZ, DMR, etc.... and CK 12mm funbolts

This system doesn't fits quick relese hubs.

[hopsalot]

That's to bad, I love my BT 5.0 and was looking forward to upgrading to the 8.0 but this rear hub thing is a deal breaker.

[Yurich]

That's to bad, I love my BT 5.0 and was looking forward to upgrading to the 8.0 but this rear hub thing is a deal breaker.
How? Only thing it doesn't support is QR hubs...same with the 7.0. Time to upgrade hubs?

[Carbon]

It reminds me of the Zhi ZM3. Good job making it fit most parts but the looks could be better.

[hopsalot]

How? Only thing it doesn't support is QR hubs...same with the 7.0. Time to upgrade hubs?

For me, anything other than a Stealth hub is a major down grade.

[raimund-aut]

For me, anything other than a Stealth hub is a major down grade.

Then wait for the Raven 8.0 Vertical and be happy :)

[rav]

Then wait for the Raven 8.0 Vertical and be happy :)

100% right

http://www.btbike.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/btraven80_v_side_s.thumbnail.jpg (http://www.btbike.com)

[hopsalot]

I shall and I will. Looking forward to my new BT.

[KMT]

CK compatibility... :)
No Vee version, no higher BB... :(

[dannyboy]

hey guys... theres never going to be 1 frame that pleases everybody.

Ok, looks wise its not exactly what i Personally like.
But its a bike designed for a purpose and im sure it does it very well.

There are bugger all frames with v mounts these days anyways... higher bbs - go get a Gu or similar, etc etc..

I think it could have been better, but apart from looks, its definately another improvement from the BT camp. Good job. Would definately buy a bt if it had straight tubes and disc only :D haha

[KMT]

( Ok, but there is no frame, which meets my high requirements. :)
All I need is 380, +30 (+35), min. 1085, integrated booster, CK compatiblity... Not that special thing. Still I don't know a frame like this. Czar '07 is the only one, but I had to file the drop-outs to fit CK... )

[eastside]

That's to bad, I love my BT 5.0 and was looking forward to upgrading to the 8.0 but this rear hub thing is a deal breaker.


I run 10mm bolts on my Stealth and it works great. I also ran the king 12mm fun bolts as well.

Contact Todd at True Precision and he can set you up the a bolt on kit for your Stealth I'm sure.

Stealth and BT for the win!

Call me with any questions if you want Mark.

[literocola]

I shall and I will. Looking forward to my new BT.

Oh yeah Mark...

When are these 8.0 Vertical's gonna hit the U.S.?

Midwest getting White and Black frames?

[eastside]

Oh yeah Mark...

When are these 8.0 Vertical's gonna hit the U.S.?

Midwest getting White and Black frames?



I'm sure they are or can get the new Bt's. Drop them a line if you want to special order one.