New karbon(horizontal dropouts) [Archive]

trial_dude

08-12-2007, 12:05 PM

saw this on koxx.fr the other day

made me cry a little

of happiness ?
well guess you can save about 100 grams without having to run a chain tensioner.

netto

08-12-2007, 12:08 PM

with 380 stays you need to run 18-15

my tiny asian legs say no

zoster

08-12-2007, 02:26 PM

with 380 stays you need to run 18-15

my tiny asian legs say no

haha! i love people that can make fun of themsevs.

i'm guessing 18-15 means chainring-sprocket. what does this have to do with leg length?

darkside

08-12-2007, 02:41 PM

He means that he's too weak to run that gear ratio.

:momaru:

Such a cool bike. Wish it was just a bit longer wheelbase.

Oskar

08-12-2007, 02:59 PM

Looks like the dropout on the Coustellier V2, then you can have adapters for vertical dropouts and mesh mount.

Acolyte

08-12-2007, 03:18 PM

Seattube junction? sketchy looking?

Horizontal dropouts are nice.

yay

08-12-2007, 03:57 PM

its pure sex

AgrAde

08-12-2007, 05:19 PM

i no longer want a karbon :dunno:

trial_dude

08-12-2007, 05:22 PM

hey, a bit off-topic.

but does anybody know how much the koxx boxx frame costs ?
was just wondering..

dannyboy

08-12-2007, 06:04 PM

hey guys
i have a karbon - probly the only one on here. Its the one in bikepics (vees front and rear). Anyways it is not changed. They offer it in either dropout. Mine is vertical and u will be able to chose which you'd prefer - surely thats a good thing. The spacing is 135mm not 116 so it should keep ppl happier.

incase your wondering its stil going strong and one of the stiffest frames iv ridden and under 10kg. I personally think horizontal drops look nicer... but yeah watever u like at least there is the choice..

DangerousDave

08-12-2007, 07:17 PM

what happens when you hit the top tube? carbon doesn't do so well on impact if i remember correctly. And on my last few bikes the only place that was dented was the top tube.

rush

08-12-2007, 07:52 PM

I just found out my friend is making carbon stuff for boeing. Cool.

dannyboy

08-12-2007, 08:18 PM

Dave - Its got a pretty decent resin coating on it... offering a bit of protection. Had one minor scrape where it landed on a cement ledge and its left only a slight mark in the clear coat. no problems thus far.

Sir_Crackien

08-12-2007, 09:18 PM

i would not worry about the carbon in that application. that joint i think would mainly be under compression. also you would be supirsed how strong some glues are these days.

in Radio controlled cars i have seen some horrific crashes and the only parts that are still intact are the carbon parts. btw ones that i'm talking about can hit over 70 mph if you don't think that it is relevent

dannyboy

08-12-2007, 09:46 PM

yeah good point... its funny just about each time i go out for a ride i do grab the top tube and just check its stil firm (if it starts twisting il shit myself!)

i really do think that koxx have done a great job with this frame... everything about it is fantastic. by far the nicest finished frames iv had in a looong time!

stocktrials

08-12-2007, 10:55 PM

with 380 stays you need to run 18-15

my tiny asian legs say no

well i guess thats where we differ. man up! :squint:
im runnin 18:15, what are you on?

netto

08-13-2007, 06:14 AM

stock? 18-16. ive tried 18-15 many times and it honestly feels terrible for natural.

dingus

08-13-2007, 02:07 PM

You guys with 18:15, 170 or 175? I know I going off topic....

I used to have 18:15 with 175 and it was something I got used to, but I dont prefer it.

Im curious since all the new echo stuff with horizontal drops say you need to use 18:15. I wonder what people are using. Im pretty sure I cant ride 18:15 with 170s...

flixlee

08-13-2007, 03:07 PM

If I had known there was a choice I would have gone horizontal :mad:
I'm running 18-15 on mine with 175mm cranks. I find it makes all the difference in the world. For natural as I used to shift to 18-16. Now, I don't have to. Took a while to get used to, especially with bad foot forward! netto, check it out next comp.

aki

08-13-2007, 04:47 PM

stock? 18-16. ive tried 18-15 many times and it honestly feels terrible for natural.

I know it's OT but didn't you say Vincent is running 16-15 or something lighter then 18-16 ratio? I do like the 18-16 much better.

trial_dude

08-13-2007, 04:50 PM

I know it's OT but didn't you say Vincent is running 16-15 or something lighter then 18-16 ratio? I do like the 18-16 much better.

vincent and almost all the french riders ride 18-15.

aki

08-13-2007, 05:02 PM

vincent and almost all the french riders ride 18-15.

Are you sure? Kenny rides 18-16 with 170mm cranks last time I read.

Horizontal dropouts are sweet though...love it.

stocktrials

08-13-2007, 11:31 PM

I ride 18-15 on 170mm cranks.
does it feel better with 175s? I could seriously never tell the difference

would 175 give me more power or something...

now back on topic. super nice

Ebon Dragon

08-14-2007, 12:33 AM

It will give you more leverage, since you're feet travel a farther distance per degree of rotation. So yeah, more power.

trial_dude

08-14-2007, 03:01 AM

Are you sure? Kenny rides 18-16 with 170mm cranks last time I read.

Horizontal dropouts are sweet though...love it.

yes kenny rides 18-16 on 170 mm cranks.
but the french riders 18-15,altleast thats what kenny told me .

yer horizontal dropouts are awsome,wish Ozonys had them :(

hophopsnap

08-14-2007, 04:21 AM

am I the only one who hates horizontal dropouts on anything?

tensioners can be a bitch, and having to adjust your brake everytime is fucking gay. running derailleurs on your horiz. dropouts FTW.

netto

08-14-2007, 05:41 AM

dont worry i hate them too

Dekes

08-14-2007, 07:24 AM

am I the only one who hates horizontal dropouts on anything?

tensioners can be a bitch, and having to adjust your brake everytime is fucking gay. running derailleurs on your horiz. dropouts FTW.

I hate those "horizonzal dropouts" too. Shimano 105 FTW

dannyboy

08-14-2007, 07:29 AM

Dekes

08-14-2007, 08:54 AM

just curious.. have these ppl who hate horizontal dropouts actually tried them? What was the problem with it?

Id have thought having no hanger to hit/bust, less weight, and that if u used snailcams or them bmx style axle mount tugs the wheel shouldnt move... it wud be ok or even better then vertical. .

Just my thoughts...

No, I haven't tried them, and i don't want to either. First of all, they are called track ends, not horizontal dropouts. These are horizontal dropouts
http://www.jonnycycles.com/images/carlos%2005t.jpg

With vertical dropouts, you have no trouble setting up the brake and chain and when your chain gets longer after a while, you don't have to move the wheel more back, set the brakes again because the tensioner will deal with the chain getting longer.

Weetbix

08-14-2007, 09:04 AM

I'm running horizontal dropout's on my new Adamant and I think they are great.

Moving the wheel back is no trouble at all, I've done it a few times already and its fine. Also I don't find that I have to readjust the brakes either :ugh:

kaar3l

08-15-2007, 06:41 AM

I hate those "horizonzal dropouts" too. Shimano 105 FTW
With horisontal dropouts you'll never get that tension, that you get with tensioner.:bowdown:

hophopsnap

08-15-2007, 03:31 PM

maybe I'm a brake nazi and can't stand the feel of shitty setup brakes, especially horiz. drops with a disc, you basically have to re-setup the brake every time you remove the wheel. I'd still probably buy a trials frame, but I'm sure QR and horiz. isn't the best of fun either.

dannyboy

08-15-2007, 06:37 PM

No, I haven't tried them, and i don't want to either. First of all, they are called track ends, not horizontal dropouts. These are horizontal dropouts
http://www.jonnycycles.com/images/carlos%2005t.jpg

With vertical dropouts, you have no trouble setting up the brake and chain and when your chain gets longer after a while, you don't have to move the wheel more back, set the brakes again because the tensioner will deal with the chain getting longer.
well coming from a bmx background in11years of riding and working in bike shops iv never heard that bmx drops arent horizontal... not saying your wrong im just surprised. which is good.. i like surprises now to go surprise all my bmx mates and tell them there dropouts are actually track ends!:riaa:

hophopsnap

08-15-2007, 06:39 PM

They go by both, some just prefer track ends as I think thats where they were first seen with the OG bikes of the 1800s.

Dekes

08-15-2007, 08:38 PM

well coming from a bmx background in11years of riding and working in bike shops iv never heard that bmx drops arent horizontal... not saying your wrong im just surprised. which is good.. i like surprises now to go surprise all my bmx mates and tell them there dropouts are actually track ends!:riaa:

You can also call them BMX ends :bigthumb:

Here's the explanation of someone who has more bicycle credibility than I have: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_dr-z.html#dropout