trials videos

[desvio2000]

hmm I would like to point some things out I notice.
Someone will side hop a ledge, then later in the video side hop a ledge that is higher. Hence making the first ledge pointless to put in the vid. Also I notice ppl do the exact same trick sometimes. They hook a perfect 90 degree block high ledge and then hook another 90 degree block ledge of equal height. The other thing I have noticed is there is less lines these days. This is done to fill the duration of 3 minutes which is the ideal length, but why not just do lines instead of just single big moves? Id rather see someone do 3 8 foot gaps in a row then 1 9 foot filmed in 3 different locations. Trials vids are cool Im just having an epiphany here. All bike vids are repetative to non-bikers, but some trials vids are literally repeating the same trick twice with a different background. Anyone see what im saying or am i as confused as my good friend to the left there.

[netto]

i'll add lines in my vid when i ride a bike that doesnt have massive cracks

[AndyT]

WAIT FOR my come3back video :coold:


lines are what make bmx videos more interesting than most of ours.








oh and wait for my thomas ohlrerrr video






(bmx is also just a lot cooler :wtc: )

[Bryan]

I would like to point out some things I notice.
Someone will side hop a ledge, then later in the video side hop a higher one. In my opinion, this makes the first ledge pointless to put in the vid.
I disagree with you. Progression is a key part of our sport. Why not show it in videos as well?

Also, I notice that people will sometimes show the exact same trick multiple times. For example: They will hook a perfect 90-degree angled high ledge and, in the next sequence, hook another 90-degree ledge of equal height. I don't like this.

I agree with you here. Showing the same move twice is stupid.

The other thing I have noticed is that there are fewer lines these days. Sure, the ideal length of a trials video is, in my opinion, three minutes. But it should be three minutes of lines, not single moves. I'd rather see someone do three eight-foot gaps in a row than one nine-foot gap filmed from three different angles. Trials videos are cool, don't get me wrong, I'm just using words incorrectly here.

I couldn't agree more.

Most videos from other bicycling disciplines seem repetetive to non-bikers. This is normal but at least most of them don't go to the extent of many trials vids, which literally show the same trick twice, or more often, with a different background. Does anyone see what I'm saying? Or am I as confused as my good friend to the left there?

You certainly are. This topic was brought up and settled years ago. Make your own videos good and don't worry about what the other fools do. I'd rather see a well-edited video that you put together than read another one of your shitty posts.

[AndyT]

:rofl: whaaaaaaaat

[muddyfox]

[quote=AndyT;414345]WAIT FOR my come3back video :coold:

When? 2045 maybe! :x:

[johnglazer]

hmm I would like to point some things out I notice.
Someone will side hop a ledge, then later in the video side hop a ledge that is higher. Hence making the first ledge pointless to put in the vid. Also I notice ppl do the exact same trick sometimes. They hook a perfect 90 degree block high ledge and then hook another 90 degree block ledge of equal height. The other thing I have noticed is there is less lines these days. This is done to fill the duration of 3 minutes which is the ideal length, but why not just do lines instead of just single big moves? Id rather see someone do 3 8 foot gaps in a row then 1 9 foot filmed in 3 different locations. Trials vids are cool Im just having an epiphany here. All bike vids are repetative to non-bikers, but some trials vids are literally repeating the same trick twice with a different background. Anyone see what im saying or am i as confused as my good friend to the left there.

Where to begin?

I am assuming that you are talking about Urban videos, since you are talking about ledges and block ledges.

Urban vidoes are always going to be somewhat repetitive. One reason for that is that none of the obstacles were made for trials, and these things can only be made with so much variety before they don't serve their main purpose anymore. (there are only so many types of benches, or concrete planters, or walls, or loading docks) Also, the style of these objects are going to be very similar within one area, so a rider must travel farther for more variety in obstacles. Since these urban objects serve a certain purpose, there aren't going to be as many flowing lines as in a natural setting. (How often do you see three 8ft gaps in a row?) I'm not saying that there aren't any lines, or that lines are too few and far between in videos, it's just harder to find good lines.

I have noticed that most of the videos with fewer lines are usually from more well known riders, and known for going big. I think that their videos have evolved because all the comments made on their videos are "holy fuck, did you see the sidehop at 2:39??" "that gap at 1:03 was huuuuuuuuuge!!!". For the most part nobody seems to comment about awesome lines. The riders come to realize that if they just pack their video with huge moves, they will get better feedback and become more well known.

From my experience in showing trials videos to non-riders, they haven't gotten bored of the repetition, its like watching a replay of a car wreck or something, they watch a little bit closer each time. I think that they will be less impressed and get bored faster with more technical natural lines. Since they don't ride trials, they don't know how difficult the more technical lines are, they just see it as smaller than what that other guy did.

If they didn't repeat any tricks, the videos would be 30 seconds long. There are only so many trials moves, so they mix it up by changing the background.

[Ross W.]

Make your own video with lines if you don't like everyone elses.

[desvio2000]

i am making my second vid release date september 15th. I will be done filming the 31 but I dont know how long it will take to edit. Hopefully faster than 15 days, but my last one took almost a month to edit XD U can make it different witout being repetative. Everyone repeats tricks. 50% of tricks in bmx vids are manuels, but they are always differnt. Skinnys, kinks, spins blah blah blah. The primary reason why ppl dont like trials vids as much as bmx is cause of the format. Bmx vids are like 20 riders each with 2 minute sections. It takes about 2 minutes to show every one of your best moves. Then u start putting average stuff in or repeating. Watching 1 guy for 20 minutes gets bad.

[WhiteRavenKS]

if a video part takes you more than 15 days to edit then you had better have a good excuse like "shot on film, waited for lab and multiple work prints, edited on a flat-bed with cement splices and then got a color corrected tele-cine transfer, sound mix, and uplodaed to the web on dial up"

[desvio2000]

hahah nope I just rearrange it a lot. I usually edit it with 25 music themes and take the best product, then remake it like 40 times with that theme till it fits into the music the way i want it to. The last time it took me a month cause i simply had lots of trouble with editor and remade it 25 times. Realilistically ill get impatient though and just finish it fast to get it done. Anyways back to the thread, i was just pointing out how they could improve trials vids in my opinion.

[AndyT]

if a video part takes you more than 15 days to edit then you had better have a good excuse like "shot on film, waited for lab and multiple work prints, edited on a flat-bed with cement splices and then got a color corrected tele-cine transfer, sound mix, and uplodaed to the web on dial up"

what if it takes you a year to burn it :momaru:

[WhiteRavenKS]

^ then you're probably an asshole like me.

[rush]

what if it takes you a year to burn it :momaru:


:rolleyes:

[AndyT]

3 people have it :eek3:

[anotherfatbastard]

I'd rather see a well-edited video that you put together than read another one of your shitty posts.


Hey you do know Cliff! :coold:

[Noel]

Andy can i be the 4th to have the dvd

[desvio2000]

o oops im stupid lol double post

[netto]

i want to see this video

[netto]

where's KK's video anyways?

[stocktrials]

hmm I would like to point some things out I notice.
Someone will make a video, then later in time make a video that is higher. Hence making the first video pointless to put out. Also I notice ppl do the exact same video sometimes. They make a video of high ledges and then make another high ledge video of equal goodness. The other thing I have noticed is there is less movies these days. This is done to fill the duration of time which is the ideal length, but why not just do movies instead of just single big videos? Id rather see someone do 3 movies then 1 3 minute video filmed in 3 different locations. Trials vids are cool Im just having an epiphany here. All bike vids are repetative to non-bikers, but some trials vids are literally repeating the same video twice with a different background. Anyone see what im saying or am i as confused as my good friend to the left there.

[Yurich]

Looking back at the videos I've collected over years and let stay, many of them have 2 or more main riders. Somehow it makes the vid that much more interesting to watch over and over. Even if the two battle out the same wall using their own styles (TRA/Ohler is a GREAT vid).

[johnglazer]

hmm I would like to point some things out I notice.
Someone will make a video, then later in time make a video that is higher. Hence making the first video pointless to put out. Also I notice ppl do the exact same video sometimes. They make a video of high ledges and then make another high ledge video of equal goodness. The other thing I have noticed is there is less movies these days. This is done to fill the duration of time which is the ideal length, but why not just do movies instead of just single big videos? Id rather see someone do 3 movies then 1 3 minute video filmed in 3 different locations. Trials vids are cool Im just having an epiphany here. All bike vids are repetative to non-bikers, but some trials vids are literally repeating the same video twice with a different background. Anyone see what im saying or am i as confused as my good friend to the left there.
:rofl:

[LanceT]

One example comes to mind to explain the big street move phenomenon: X-Games big air. If one more person asks me what I think of the guy who crashed on the skateboard, someone is getting punched. What's next in the X-Games, monster trucks?

No one cares about anything but the biggest, most dangerous tricks these days. Trials is just keeping up with the trends.

If you want tech, watch baseball. But even that has Barry Bonds headlining.

Trials has gone EXTREME! But forget about main-stream exposure like the X-Games, that already didn't work. Maybe slopestyle can make it in.

[RomanC]

One example comes to mind to explain the big street move phenomenon: X-Games big air. If one more person asks me what I think of the guy who crashed on the skateboard, someone is getting punched. What's next in the X-Games, monster trucks?


Rally is already part of X-Games. I would not be surprised if monster trucks became a new part of the line up.

[Caesbiketrial]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zpd2XT9L_LA&mode=related&search i want to see more like this !! cool lines !!

[netto]

cant wait for sept 15!!!!!!!

[TTownJon]

cant wait for sept 15!!!!!!!

just cleared my calendar so I can watch it all day long....


...wait isnt repetition, like, bad and stuff?

[netto]

maybe we'll see new moves like back flip 360 to hook to foot plant?

[dubtrialsin]

One example comes to mind to explain the big street move phenomenon: X-Games big air. If one more person asks me what I think of the guy who crashed on the skateboard, someone is getting punched. What's next in the X-Games, monster trucks?

No one cares about anything but the biggest, most dangerous tricks these days. Trials is just keeping up with the trends.

If you want tech, watch baseball. But even that has Barry Bonds headlining.

Trials has gone EXTREME! But forget about main-stream exposure like the X-Games, that already didn't work. Maybe slopestyle can make it in.

EXTREME!!!
whats up lance
i agree whole heartedly that the whole world wants to go big (the crew from harold and kumar comes to mind).
i recently showed a couple buddies two vids
one was the tra vid from england the other was of the worlds in 2003 with the coust bros on the rocks in the beginning (paradise revisited?).
even though all TRA does is go HUGE they liked his vid more just because the scenes changed. the worlds vid where the scene at the beginning riding rocks in the parking lot is in my opinion one of the best filmed and ridden technical segments ive ever seen, they complained. going big is for the fuel channel crowd. i agree that yes there is talent in the air when u see an 18ft flare, but the amt of actual skill it takes to do that trick is outweighed by the size of the riders balls needed to actually do it.
i dont think there is one trick that we have the luxury of learning in a foam pit, if there is dont bother showing me, cuz itll probably just be another damned back flip.
:joshers: :joshers: :joshers: :joshers: :joshers: :joshers: :joshers: :joshers: :joshers: :joshers:

[desvio2000]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zpd2XT9L_LA&mode=related&search i want to see more like this !! cool lines !!

AGREED! That vid was sweet, there was no super huge moves and it was really cool. Thats what im talking about.

[desvio2000]

Umm, it depends. Neil is insanely big, but I know even if I were invincible and coudlnt get hurt I still couldnt make the lines hes doing. I like seeing a rider use all his skill and all his balls together. Anyways like Ive been saying Im not a hater or anything, I am just suggesting ways for improvment. I see so much good riding but if it were organized differently i think it would be more effective.

As for the jackasses who are going to watch my video now without an open mind and will criticize it simply cause of this thread im not going to post it on this site now. SO :drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool:: drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::d rool::drool::drool::drool::drool: NOW ITS TIME FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE SOME STUPID COMMENT ABOUT WHAT I SAID. "HAW HAW YOUR AN EMO!!!!" orr hmmmmmmmm "Dont cry well love your video!"
Fact is im not, I just dont want retarded unconstructive criticizm like the crap id get on pinkbike. Ppl complain when idiots say do a backflip or wheres your seat... but u are that very idiot except worse cause what u say actually does matter to me.

[dubtrialsin]

[/quote]I just dont want retarded unconstructive criticizm like the crap id get on pinkbike. Ppl complain when idiots say do a backflip or wheres your seat... but u are that very idiot except worse cause what u say actually does matter to me.[/quote]

i dont get what u mean by saying ppl complain. i dont complain when they say wheres your seat or do a back flip. i just think that any kid with someballs from down the street can do a backflip on a walmart mongoose in their friends backyard provided he has the balls to attempt it.
im sick of backflips
im sick of the same tap ups and sidehops
skills
give me skills to watch.