Mount Snow 2007!

[Doug White]

Mount Snow is happining. The tenative date is July 21. The revised schedule should be out within a few days, but I can give you my current goals. With input from Michael Friddel and Tim Williamson, I will shoot for a one day competition with both bikes competing together. Norba rules will be in place with the following exceptions. Single speed 26" bikes are acceptable. Riders will have 2 minutes and thirty seconds per section. After 2 minutes and thirty seconds, there will be one point added for each additional 15 seconds. Mount Snow requested 7 sections but I will shoot for 8 sections, 2 passes. When I used to do the National Championship Series, I was employed by norba. Mount Snow contacted me directly and this whole thing is a cool last minute effort on their part. Even though Mount Snow is funding it, I believe norba will recognize it as a one day National Championship. These very important questions and details will be finalized asap and I will update this thread as soon as I get any new info. Contact me directly if you have any questions.

Doug

[y_nairb]

wow doug thanks.. i hope to be there..

[Noel]

where is mt snow???

[firewrx612]

where is mt snow???

Southern Vermont

[aj_the_first]

I'd like to come. Hey Doug, I don't think I've seen you since the NORBA days... I even sent an invite out to Gabe Bennett. That would be nostagia: Gabe, and myself, riding at an event hosted by Doug White and Tim. I might even break out the spandex body suit for that.

[Joe Janicki]

There and there. :coold:Lookin forward to this one!!! Huge log section in the house!

[THEDEMOLITIONMAN]

Never have been to Mt. Snow, it should be sweet..










THEDMAN

[KenC]

I just checked the registration forms (http://www.mountsnow.com/usa_bike/USA_registration.pdf) and what do we get for the $55 entrance fee besides the opportunity to compete? I would love to be there, but $55 is a little steep for only an entrance fee. That's not to mention the $5 non-NORBA member fee. I don't mean to by cynical, but if it's going to cost me $60 just to ride, i'm reconsidering going.

[y_nairb]

it costs twice that to ride pro..

it's the same conversation every year.. they won't have an event cuz no one shows up.. and we won't show up cuz they make us pay..

knuckle up and support it..

[KenC]

You'll have to show me where it says on the registration form that pros pay $100 because all I see is $55. Or do you mean in general?

I have no problems paying the entrance fee. I'm just asking the question if there are going to be prizes/gifts that make it worth competing for. If history shows us anything, NORBA hasn't exactly supproted trials very well in the recent past, and I'm just curious if that has changed.

[Doug White]

This event is norba sanctioned, but it is entirely Mount Snow's initiative. In the nineties when I directed all the nationals, alot of the venues didn't want trials and norba required it. This event is 100% Mount Snow's idea.

I've got several emails in with no response, I'm still not sure if they are even going to honor a Jr National Champion. The registration fees are set by Mount Snow. The $100 would be paid to norba for a "pro" license. License info should be available at usacycling.org . I'll post any info I get asap.

[KenC]

Thanks for the clarification Doug. I forgot about having to purchase a seperate pro licence - my bad.

[Doug White]

Well, here we are less than 2 weeks until the competition and I'm finally posting specifics. The delay has been due to an exhausted effort in making this the best it can be. I'm afraid the competiton will be completely held to the current USA Cycling rule book. The problem is.....the people that revised it last year have obviously never attended a trials competition, or understand the needs of our sport.

The main problem is the only classes to be offered are Mens stock, Mens modified, womans stock, and womans modified. There will be no beginner, sport, or expert lines. When I was acting director of competition for trials in the mid to late nineties, they would listen to my suggestions and certain stipulations and alterations were made at a moments notice for the good of the sport. There is no flexibility this year and no rules or recognization of other classes will be altered. The only consulation that was made was the lack of enforcement of the 5 mandatory gears in stock class. Single speed stock bikes will be allowed.

As the competition stands, a National Championship title will be awarded in the 4 classes mentioned. This will take place at Mount Snow at 8:00 am on Saturday, July 21.

USA Cycling has expressed interest in my involvement for next years rules, format, and competitions. I wish I could do more this year, but I am already looking forward to next year. The current powers at USA Cycling also sound genuinely interested in an effort to bring American trials competitions back to where it was 9 years ago and beyond.

Any questions.....give me a shout.

Doug

[WhiteRavenKS]

The current powers at USA Cycling also sound genuinely interested in an effort to bring American trials competitions back to where it was 9 years ago and beyond.


:rofl: i have my doubts that they give a shit about trials. i'd like to see what they have in store though.

so with the 4 classes rule does that mean we will be buying a $5 one day norba deal or will we have to spring for the pro lisence? if there is no catagory distinction i dont see how they could demand that we pay for pro upgrades?

do they realize how absurd it is to not have a junior national champion when we send juniors to worlds? :ugh2:

doug, i'd like to say thanks for the hard work you've put in for both the past and now this- i wish there were more people like you out there.

[tybikes]

Yeah, I'm curious about the Pro license situation as well.

[music_maj_34]

Well, here we are less than 2 weeks until the competition and I'm finally posting specifics. The delay has been due to an exhausted effort in making this the best it can be. I'm afraid the competiton will be completely held to the current USA Cycling rule book. The problem is.....the people that revised it last year have obviously never attended a trials competition, or understand the needs of our sport.

The main problem is the only classes to be offered are Mens stock, Mens modified, womans stock, and womans modified. There will be no beginner, sport, or expert lines. When I was acting director of competition for trials in the mid to late nineties, they would listen to my suggestions and certain stipulations and alterations were made at a moments notice for the good of the sport. There is no flexibility this year and no rules or recognization of other classes will be altered. The only consulation that was made was the lack of enforcement of the 5 mandatory gears in stock class. Single speed stock bikes will be allowed.

As the competition stands, a National Championship title will be awarded in the 4 classes mentioned. This will take place at Mount Snow at 8:00 am on Saturday, July 21.

USA Cycling has expressed interest in my involvement for next years rules, format, and competitions. I wish I could do more this year, but I am already looking forward to next year. The current powers at USA Cycling also sound genuinely interested in an effort to bring American trials competitions back to where it was 9 years ago and beyond.

Any questions.....give me a shout.

Doug

I'm all about promoting trials and all BUT and...not to sound like an ass or anything...but why would beginners or sport even want to go up against pro or even expert riders? Not to mention the money they want for this event.

I mean besides having fun and riding with other riders... having my ass handed to me is not my idea of fun.

[Doug White]

When I was doing the nationals years ago, the relationship and responsibilities were devided up between NORBA and the individual promoters in many ways. The promoters were under strict rules, but did have some options in certain areas. Of course there were business dealings that I was not aware of, but the dividing line between the 2 was not straight and narrow. The promotors had to adhere to many demands and stipulations for the priviledge of hosting the potentially profitable event. I know even less about these relationships today but it sounds like Mount Snow is under contract to adhere to the exact guidelines and classes they've been given. It appears that an uninformed decision was made last year to streamline the amount of classes due to lack of participation. I believe the goal in these classifications was to simply find the best man and woman in the 2 styles of bikes. They obviously did not realize the current excepted trend in combining the styles of bikes. They were also making an effort not to be sexist. What blows my mind is they would not consider encouraging and nurturing youth, the future of any sport. With all due respect to the ladies, I never had more than 3 at a National, and they were so cooperative, they didn't care who was riding what even 10 years ago. Admitedly, this hits home real hard. While I doubt there will be a sufficient showing for the ladies in both classes, my son who just turned 17 will never get a chance at a JR National Title. And I'm sure there are many others in this boat. Like I said in the first thread, Mount Snow is making this happen, but to USA Cycling's specifications. I have been instructed to set the sections to challenge and decide national champions. Unfortunetly, not a complete competition for all classes. My explanations and suggetions have landed on open ears at USA Cycling and it sounded like they are anxious to make things right and start supporting trials next year. I hope I can be a part of this, but this year, it is what it is.

[halfazn]

I'm pretty sure I'm going to make it up there. Like the others...whats the deal with the Pro Liscence?

[y_nairb]

It's a lock, I'll be there. It's been a few year since they've had an event there.. I'm looking forward to it.

[tybikes]

Doug, do you know what the situation is with having to buy a one-day vs. pro license? Mt. Snow has great stuff for sections, but I don't know if I want to drop $130 + registration just to watch B-dizzle kick my butt.

[Doug White]

I'm headed to Mount Snow in the morning, so this is my last post before the comp. Like I said before, it is what it is this year. I finally heard from USA Cycling this afternoon. They are still only offering 4 National Championship classes. Mens Stock and Mod, and Womens Stock and Mod. There will be no prizes or recognition of any other classes. The closest thing to good news, is a pro license is not required. A $5 one day license will not be excepted either unfortunately. All participants must have a one year MTB racing license, the USCF road license will NOT be honored either. I am still instructed to only build "National Championship" sections. However, I was talking to Jeff Lenosky last night and he had a really good idea. I plan to build all my sections with some sport/expert type moves at the beginning. The true elite moves will be in every section. Along with harder moves towards end, the pro riders will be challenged with slightly longer sections. Fitness as well as skill will be required to finish the sections in the 2 minute limit. The sections will not be watered down and boring, but something for about everyone to get through in the beginning. I hope riders use their best judgement as they come to more difficult obstacles. From the personal responses I've been getting, It sounds like only a couple pros are going to make it. I won't take a score card, but myself and Jeff are threatening to ride. At 43 I can't do the big ups anymore, but I know how to have fun. (my demo set does include a kicker to the roof of my trailer) My son and I will be doing shows at the venue on Thursday and Friday at noon. If anyone can make it, I would be interested in turning the demos into little jam sessions. With so few planning on attending, this National will be as serious as necessary, but fun and laid back. Hope to see some folks there, and y'all have fun where ever you are!!

P.S. several people on this forum have my cell #. Posted questions will probably get answered.

[tybikes]

Anyone know if we can get the one year license on site?

[Doug White]

You can get a one year license on site. I'm not sure of the deadline. Try the Mount Snow web site or usacycling.org for final details.

[dkoppric]

isnt getting a pro liscence a whole process where you need to get approval from a local rep?

[LanceT]

Fresh off the slopes of the Mt. Snow resort, trials master Doug White just patched through a message regarding the trials competition.

Amateur level competition will be available for the Mt. Snow National finals to go along with the pro national championship classes. Doug has convinced the powers that be at Mt. Snow to allow him to go the extra mile and make line splits in the sections to offer more riding opportunities for all levels.

To compete in amateur, you will need a 1 day License that can be obtained on site. Approximately 8-9 sections, with 2 stadium and 6-7 natural. No money will be awarded for the amateur classes, just a day of fun and good riding. Come out, support and enjoy.

[KenC]

So with the amateur sections, is that like Beginner/Sport, or everyone who's not looking to go to Worlds?

[music_maj_34]

Fresh off the slopes of the Mt. Snow resort, trials master Doug White just patched through a message regarding the trials competition.

Amateur level competition will be available for the Mt. Snow National finals to go along with the pro national championship classes. Doug has convinced the powers that be at Mt. Snow to allow him to go the extra mile and make line splits in the sections to offer more riding opportunities for all levels.

To compete in amateur, you will need a 1 day License that can be obtained on site. Approximately 8-9 sections, with 2 stadium and 6-7 natural. No money will be awarded for the amateur classes, just a day of fun and good riding. Come out, support and enjoy.

That's really cool that everyone is gonna be able to ride. I think you will see a better turn out for the event with it being open to everyone.

Just curious... I know you said that anyone not riding pro will just be for fun and no cash prises will be involved, but are they giving out any awards or prizes?

and to KenC ... pretty sure only pros go to the world comps.

[LanceT]

As far as I was told, because the amateur category was added last minute, there will be no prizes or money, just bragging rights.

[john trials]

What is the cost of a 1-day license, plus competition entry fee for amateurs (basically, what's the total cost of competing for an amateur)?

Can you register the day of the event?

I was going to go to Mt Snow to watch the downhill racing and the trials, but if it doesn't cost a fortune to enter, I may compete.

[Joe Janicki]

WHoopie. Amatuer sections! I'm torn whether to try to do respectably in the championship level or just have fun in the amatuer class. Either way, I got the day off and I'm excited to ride on saturday. See everyone there! http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/images/icons/icon14.gif

[trialsin usa]

I am bumbed I can not come and watch and hang out for the NORBA event. Doug White is one cool stand up guy who has a deep background in trials events that many of us envy. If you can get to this event....do, it will be great exposure for the sport...and I am sure a really good time!

Doug, good luck and I look forward to this being the begining of something cool!

[john trials]

What is the cost of a 1-day license, plus competition entry fee for amateurs (basically, what's the total cost of competing for an amateur)?

Can you register the day of the event?

I was going to go to Mt Snow to watch the downhill racing and the trials, but if it doesn't cost a fortune to enter, I may compete.

Any info? It's getting kind of close to comp time!

[y_nairb]

Any info? It's getting kind of close to comp time!

The closest thing to good news, is a pro license is not required. A $5 one day license will not be excepted either unfortunately. All participants must have a one year MTB racing license, the USCF road license will NOT be honored either.

next go to USAcycling.org/com.netforwardslashgov and look at the cost of a 1yr license.. you can buy it online and print out the form you need, or as usual, you most likely can pay at the event reg.

[LanceT]

Just a few more notes on Mt. Snow

Registration closes at 6pm Friday
Opens at 7am Sat.

Observed trials is from 8-12 Saturday morning (probably pushed back a bit so the sections can be as dry as possible)

National Championship title up for grabs in:
Men stock/mod
Women stock/mod

Sections will have line splits for amateur riders who don't wish to compete for the national title.

All riders will need to buy a one year NORBA License ($60.00) and pay the entry fee ($55.00)

Good luck to all who make it out there. My first true love was Mt. Snow. Treat her well. :naughty:

[lucky13]

Any NE'ers documenting this? Aki? Erik?

show me the pictars

[KenC]

Just a few more notes on Mt. Snow

Registration closes at 6pm Friday
Opens at 7am Sat.

Observed trials is from 8-12 Saturday morning (probably pushed back a bit so the sections can be as dry as possible)

National Championship title up for grabs in:
Men stock/mod
Women stock/mod

Sections will have line splits for amateur riders who don't wish to compete for the national title.

All riders will need to buy a one year NORBA License ($60.00) and pay the entry fee ($55.00)

Good luck to all who make it out there. My first true love was Mt. Snow. Treat her well. :naughty:

Not to be picky, but before you said amatures just needed a one day licence. Do ALL riders now need a one year licence?

[THEDEMOLITIONMAN]

Any NE'ers documenting this? Aki? Erik?

show me the pictars


I plan on getting out there, not going to ride. I'm going to be snapping a few for later projects and I'll throw them on line as well..





THEDMAN

[y_nairb]

yeah in 2010..

[THEDEMOLITIONMAN]

yeah in 2010..


come in, I'm sure I'll get them before 2009..lol




you better win out there briana..lol


THEDMAN

[THEDEMOLITIONMAN]

Congrats to Mike Steidley for winning, I wasn'y able to make it out there. One of my cars was hit and the other ones tranny is fubared..









trying to get those dialed in now, next year for me..

THEDMAN

[tybikes]

Really fun event, though the turnout could have been better. Big thanks to Doug and his son for taking the time to build sections and put on the whole thing. It was really fun to ride at Mt. Snow again.

[LanceT]

All that modesty and appreciation coming from the newly crowned national #2.

I could have been a contender.:luke:

Glad to hear it went well for everybody. Where's the pics?

[Noel]

who placed what?

[john trials]

Results:

https://www.usacycling.org/forms/2007_USAC_MTB-Day%202_OT%20RESULTS.pdf

[trauma100]

Cograts to Trevor and well Brian.... kinda figured you would strong arm shit. Props!!

[MikeTheBike]

Wow, what a points spread. Good showing everyone.

[music_maj_34]

Just curious... how many pros are in that line up? Expert /sport /beginner?

[tybikes]

I think the breakdown was 1.Pro 2.Expert 3.Expert 4.Pro/Expert 5. Sport.

[dkoppric]

I think the breakdown was 1.Pro 2.Expert 3.Expert 4.Pro/Expert 5. Sport.

what?

[tybikes]

For stock, 1st place was a pro rider, 2nd was an expert and so on

[music_maj_34]

I know this comp happened a while ago, but I found this online and figured I would post it since I didnt see any pics or video from this comp.

Pic of Mike Steidley


http://www.yourmtb.com/files/yourmtb/images/MtSnow%20034_0.preview.jpg (http://www.yourmtb.com/files/yourmtb/images/MtSnow%20034_0.jpg)

[LanceT]

...and the crowd goes wild!

Looks like those guys standing to the right are torn between thinking it's stupid and easy and actually being somewhat intrigued.

Trials might not get the biggest crowds, but when people are there, they like it.

Doug White does it again.:bigthumb: