221 Ti vs Pr

[JohnnyO]

What are the differences between the monty 221 Ti and Pr? I love the looks and feel of the Ti, but am a bit reluctant to go rear disc. Also, I only want a frame and don't want to buy new brakes and hubs, so i really want a maggie compatible frame.

[christian]

I think the Ti involves som titanium parts. Not sure how or where but i´m pretty sure that´s the case. Check out http://www.cleanbikes.co.uk/index.htm
They should know

[kaar3l]

I think the Ti involves som titanium parts. Not sure how or where but i´m pretty sure that´s the case. Check out http://www.cleanbikes.co.uk/index.htm
They should know
Yep frames should be almost the same, but Ti has spoke nipples titanium and i don't know exactly what more.:)

[JohnnyO]

Seems like a big price jump just for some titanium nipples! I see the brakes are different too, but I'm only interested in a frame, which appears pretty similar, aside from the brake mounts.

[THEDEMOLITIONMAN]

This should help...

[Biketrialbrasil]

the PR head tube it´s different and one friend of mine from Portugal broke 2 frames in a 2 months...so monty replaced for him, but he hates the frame, he said that PR it´s very weak...i´ll certify with him.

[THEDEMOLITIONMAN]

I've been riding the Pr for a while now and it seems to be holding up.










THEDMAN

[mhoulmont]

I've been riding the Pr for a while now and it seems to be holding up.










THEDMAN
If it's holding up under this man it can't be too weak. THEDMAN is rather a large person if I remember correctly.

[THEDEMOLITIONMAN]

If it's holding up under this man it can't be too weak. THEDMAN is rather a large person if I remember correctly.





I wish I was smaller,I am 6'3",240lbs and the frame has been holding up pretty well. I also ride 99% urban, which does the most damage to any frame.



THEDMAN

[TheGhost]

the cranks on the ti are also nicer the square they are isis, freewheel on the pr is a shimano vs the monty one on the Ti. But thats if you get complete.

[THEDEMOLITIONMAN]

I don't like buying complete trials bikes, I just built the frame up myself.











THEDMAN

[trialsin usa]

While the geometries of the PR and Ti are nearly identical, that is where the sameness ends. All parts (including frame) are different materials and different weight.

[Stikman]

Did you break Marco???

Missing riding with you John. :( :wavey:

[JohnnyO]

Hey Mike, hows it going?
Nah, Marco is still going strong. But I put a big ding in the down tube on a concrete wall. Its about as thick as a beer can so I'm just looking into the future a bit.
Where you at?

[www.biketrial-it.eu]

hem...the frame have the same geometry but...



1° the Ti have triple butted tube, the PR NO!

2° Ti have ISIS, PR NO.

3° TI have Nipples in ergal, Titanium SPoke, All screw in titanium and Ergal, PR NO!

4° the tube have different size and form

5° The rim's materials it's different

6° the crank (except for the ISIS mount) it's different

7° The hub is different, materials and weight

8° head tube is different, the headset is different


For me the new PR it's a "shit". 1100€ (about 1400$) for that bike...Old PR is better, low cost (750€), HS33 rear brake (for noob, buy a bike with rear disk isn't a good choice!!!). and the rest of the bike was the same of today's PR!!! (except for the brake...but isn't an exscuse for 350€ money difference!!!)

[t33zr]

ALSO: different rims, handlebar, stem, pedals, brakes