Aaron Lutze's custom Diamond Back?

[darkside]

http://www.matchvideozine.com/

http://www.matchvideozine.com/lutze-newframe1.jpg

Looks like Aaron had Diamondback make him a couple frames. He doesn't say anything about the geo (Aaron, I know you check this site from time to time, so spill the beans), but looks decent in the pictures. Certainly more old-school with the seatpost, v-brake mounts, worthless disc tabs... And a unique color choice.

[trials-online]

wow,,,, no offense to aaron but OMG...... this picture..... im sorry

[LanceT]

How high can you tap?

[lamard]

looks alot like a ghost

[Biketrialbrasil]

only for urban assault not trials though..."a la jeff lenosky"...

[darkside]

Not quite. Aaron still rides pure trials from what I've read and he does trials demos too. So does Jeff (http://www.blackboxlabs.net/2006/11/chocolate.php).

[rush]

wow,,,, no offense to aaron but OMG...... this picture..... im sorry


:rofl: I was thinking the same thing.

But its great that he has someone like Diamondback considering something to do with trials.

[WhiteRavenKS]

i've got numbers but i dont know if he's down with me posting them?

[dkoppric]

some wiseman once told me that it is impossible to ride anything but quarterpipes with a bike that has a wheelbase under 1150 mm.

[Alex_M]

Jeff, ryan leech, and that guy need to stop living in the past and get the new school bikes, imajine how big and smooooooth those guys would be !!!

[WhiteRavenKS]

Jeff, ryan leech, and that guy need to stop living in the past and get the new school bikes, imajine how big and smooooooth those guys would be !!!


:gaybar:

[rush]

:gaybar:

:rofl:

Unnhhh big and smooooth

[dkoppric]

the bike makes the rider

[guumer]

Jeff, ryan leech, and that guy need to stop living in the past and get the new school bikes, imajine how big and smooooooth those guys would be !!!
YA FOR REAL EH. Shut the fuck up I am so tired of this coming up in every thread about short bikes. They ride them because that’s what they like. Why don’t you ride a short bike? Because you don’t like them. It’s called personal preference.
:rant: over sorry

[Mordax]

Jeff, ryan leech, and that guy need to stop living in the past and get the new school bikes, imajine how big and smooooooth those guys would be !!!

:wtf: :slap:

[WhiteRavenKS]

i hope aaron reads this and laughs his balls off.

[rush]

Im sure he will.

[LanceT]

Does anyone think that if trials were the backbone of off-road bicycle sales in North America and free-ride/streety trials was the red-headed step-child, that all those guys wouldn't be riding 1080, 375 +40. Because if you do I beg to differ.

[sputnik]

Re-name thread: Aaron Lut. . . Custom repainted 04 Evolve

[AaronLutze]

You guys crack me up...someday you'll realize that riding bikes is fun, too!

It doesn't matter what wheelbase, top tube, whatever you have, it doesn't affect the fact that it's fun to shred, sidehop, gap, tap, manual, whatever. I f***ing love riding bikes, I've got a whole grip of them that are equally fun in their own ways...downhill, all-mountain, street, etc.

You guys are going to shit your pants when you see the complete build. I'm even going to put a SUSPENSION FORK and a SEAT on it! <gasp!>

Here's the geometry, feel free to dissect it:
Head Angle = 69 Degree
Seat Angle = 74 Degree
Top tube length Actual = 22.5
Seat tube Length Actual = 11inches.
Chain stays = 16inch (406mm)
BB= +5mm
Axle to Crown for 80mm Fork – 454mm

For the "old-school" guys out there...this thing feels JUST like my Schwinn Hip-Hop. I am stoked and I can't wait to ride it..

[eastside]

Sounds like a fun geo to me. I wouldent mind that kind of geometry on my park bike.

[RomanC]

I tried only one Hip-Hop that Mike Melcoir had. It felt pretty similar to my Zebdi even with the suspension fork.

[THE MANGLER]

You guys crack me up...someday you'll realize that riding bikes is fun, too!

It doesn't matter what wheelbase, top tube, whatever you have, it doesn't affect the fact that it's fun to shred, sidehop, gap, tap, manual, whatever. I f***ing love riding bikes, I've got a whole grip of them that are equally fun in their own ways...downhill, all-mountain, street, etc.

You guys are going to shit your pants when you see the complete build. I'm even going to put a SUSPENSION FORK and a SEAT on it! <gasp!>

Here's the geometry, feel free to dissect it:
Head Angle = 69 Degree
Seat Angle = 74 Degree
Top tube length Actual = 22.5
Seat tube Length Actual = 11inches.
Chain stays = 16inch (406mm)
BB= +5mm
Axle to Crown for 80mm Fork – 454mm

For the "old-school" guys out there...this thing feels JUST like my Schwinn Hip-Hop. I am stoked and I can't wait to ride it..
:momaru: :momaru:
LUTZE: 1
PRETENTIOUS TRIALS SNOBS: 0

[LanceT]

I have come to realize that doing stuff, including riding different types of bikes, is fun to do with your friends.

That still doesn't make a jump/park bike a trials bike, not that it matters.

But it may confuse the new, younger riders to see the sponsored guys (establishment) calling things trials when it really isn't anymore.

Progress is inevitable, no matter how long you deny it.

But riding is fun, whatever you call it.

[THE MANGLER]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n23/CHUCKWADTHEDESTROYER1/000_0351.jpg
This thing is a blast, but definately not a "trials" bike.

[LanceT]

I like the looks of that MOB. It reminds me of my zebdi.

I like to call that a "do-all" bike. Good for a little bit of everything; multi-purpose.

Someone should think of a better name, but I think you see what I mean.

[darkside]

Didn't intend for this to turn into a thread about what is or is not a trials bike. I just know I'd be stoked to have a big company making custom geo for me.

For all I care, if you're out hopping over logs on a 6" dual-suspension bike or rigid road bike, you're still riding trials.

I'm personally planning on building up another zebdi (to compliment my levelboss) cause I miss doing a lot of the street moves that are next to impossible on todays "trials" bikes.

[THE MANGLER]

I built the mob with a lot of the strength stuff we spoke about but left the gearing at a 22/12 so i could ride street, something which is hard to do for more than five or six miles on a trials bike.

[Elan]

looks like the frame is from 2001

[THE MANGLER]

2005

[WhiteRavenKS]

2029.

[Elan]

o noes teh futa :noes:

[AaronLutze]

Just to set the record straight from my end...I didn't post the pics on here, I just sent those pics around to my friends to show them what I got.

I've been friends with the product managers and marketing guys at Diamondback for a long time and they asked me if they could make me a one-off frame and I said hell yeah (who wouldn't?). I'm not doing shows nationwide like Lenosky or anything like that, so no need to worry about me misleading the youth...I'm just riding around Portland, having a good time on two wheels.

....although, I doubt many of you started off on hardcore trials bikes--you probably all got into trials after watching Jeff, Ryan, Hans, Ashton, Kraus, Lance, etc doing trials on a bike that looked like your first mtb--then as you got more into it, you switched into the hardcore geometry.

Ah, what do I know...

[sputnik]

aaron, Truth. looks like my 04 evolve, that is short and decent. rode it for a full year dirtjumping with a 4" fork. Notrials.
re-started trials, and it's tolerable on naturals with an echo fork, and solid brakes.

[darkside]

Ah, what do I know...

A lot more than most of the people who are criticizing your bike. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product.

I also need to go home to Portland one of these days (haven't been there in over a year). Maybe I'll see it in person then.

[WhiteRavenKS]

i think it's hilarious that people ride bikes and say "trials? i'll give that a shot" and then they end up with some matching color scheme parted long wheelbase base with the bb in the sky.... when for 6 months the bike they were on could have got them just as far. all the hating on seats, wheelbases, bb heights, wheel size, brakes, wtf ever should go away. there is plenty better stuff to hate on about someone.

[literocola]

i think it's hilarious that people ride bikes and say "trials? i'll give that a shot" and then they end up with some matching color scheme

Indeed. I think the overdone color is monotonous, and way over done. I have decided to steer away from the whole color scene. Its almost like color is cool, but common, don't over do it.

[rush]

there is plenty better stuff to hate on about someone.


:werd:

Like their hair.

[WhiteRavenKS]

^^^ exactly. if you're going to hate, hate creatively.

btw crew- just saw some snaps of it built up and it's way fresher than the clapped out rigs you haters are probably riding.

[goose]

Its fun to be a non-hater in this thread:) That DB looks awesome. I'd gladly ride one of those. Seats and shox, wuhoo! Trials oriented multipurpose bikes would certainly be my first choice. Don't be shy posting the built up pics!!

I also find it funny how quickly people pick up expensive dedicated trials bikes to start on. When all my friend got started, we just stiffened/reduced our forks, got rid of the clipless, lost the big ring, and used some tar or coke. Maybe 150 bucks, retail, to turn our hardtails more trialsy and hit the rocks/beach/campus.

[LanceT]

I happen to think trials is a very interesting sport. I enjoy it and have done many things as a result of participating in it. That is why I think the US has to keep some accurate frame of reference with respect to the rest of the world.

I understand that the US is into marketing and just having fun and I respect that mentality. But we don't want to fall too far behind. It's good to watch a sport grow, but it's better to actually be part of the process.

People always say that US riders are so far behind in trials, but not many try to stick with it. Instead, we just try to shred and be gnarly. Well that can be good, but a little commitment never hurt either.

What my point is: You can do trials on that bike. I can hop on the backwheel of my full suspension bike too. But let's not water things down to the point of having no substance. I know we all suck at trials, but we can at least respect the classification and be specific.

Trials is a tough sport, deal with it.

[bidaci]

The bike does not make what a rider does trials or not. It's what is done on the bike. If someone uses a more street or mountain oriented bike to use for trials what is the issue? I have an old Piranha trials bike but no way can I call what I do riding trials (Just ask the guys that ride Rockport). If someone can ride trials on a more generic bike and get someone interested enough into trials to find more info on it (such as this forum) then they should be applauded.

I can't wait to see the final build and the moves he puts down with it.

[KeepRollin]

I ride a mod now so I think all of your 26 bikes are stupid and I hate them and hate all of you so there!

[durkie]

nice av:wiggle:

[KeepRollin]

:wtc:

[Keith Courage]

I just lost 3 minutes of pivoting in my front yard on this silly thread.

I'm going to ride my bike.

Aaron Lutze, I always wanted to say that "Fat Chicks" song from Match 4 is the funniest thing I've heard. I love you for it.
I also love whoever chose Murder by Death for the PX trials section. The song coupled with the riding really made Trials home for me. It was a pivotal point in my cycling career.

[LanceT]

I can understand why the factory guys (Jeff, Ryan, Hans) would stick to more mainstream looking bikes.

I just think, in particular Aaron, would want to ride an actual trials bike for trials riding. Being in a similar position to myself, where no one really cares and there are no sponsors to please, why wouldn't you ride serious geometry. If you don't like the feel of it, try a little practice. It might take a while, but I can assure you it will be good. Maybe not "sick" or "killer" but you will enjoy the added capability that the geometry gives you.

Give it a shot. Or suggest to DB that they make a real trials frame for you, if you actually intend on riding trials. What happened to the Tibo frame?

Save the street/park/jump geometry for the "shredding".

[hopsalot]

This "what is real" argument takes place across all bike sports lines. The x.c. guys are more hardcore on single speeds, the road guys and the fix gear nuts, even the D.H. riders can't get along on what is to much travel. The one thing I know for sure is one kind of bike can't do everything well. From what I have seen of Aaron's riding this frame looks to fit his style.

[LanceT]

Aaron was, and I'm sure still is, a fundamentally strong trials rider with some very solid skills. He was at one point completely and exclusively riding trials. It would be cool to see what he, amongst others, can do on a trials bike, not a "trials" bike.

Alas, we may never know.

[AaronLutze]

Hey Lance...in reference to the DB Tibo frame...JP Sickler ran it over with a big semi truck on the Warped Tour in 2001. That was the end of my run for trials world champion right there. ;)

Honestly though...I have ridden the new geometry and I can do some pretty ridiculous stuff on it. I can't bunnyhop them to save my life, though, and I like bunnyhopping. If no one cares what I do, then why is it such a sin to ask someone for a trials-style frame that I can bunnyhop?

I can tap it and sidehop over 40" on it...so really, what difference does it make what wheelbase I have? I would hazard a guess that a large chunk of the guys bitching about my frame in this thread can't do that on their 15,000 cm wheelbase bikes.

p.s. Keith Courage--I chose all that music and I edited that segment in Match 4. Stoked to hear that it had such an impact! That's what I'm here for.

p.p.s. Here you go...the fork is dropping another 20mm, but other than that, it's perfect. Check the carbon fiber bar from Gravity/FSA:
http://www.matchvideozine.com/lutze-trialsbuilt.jpghttp://www.matchvideozine.com/lutze-trialsfront.jpghttp://www.matchvideozine.com/lutze-trialsback.jpg

[leedstrials]

Aaron,

Have you ever thought about riding 24" - great bikes for blasting around, bunnys, mannys, spins and also better for actual 'trials' than older geo bikes.

Nice bike tho, I like the colour too :)

[stpatr3k]

Nice

[Cryo-Cube]

Im with Lance on this, if someone wants to ride "real trials" as in more rocks, no runups bla bla, then a trials specific bike would be better.
If you ride more street-ish, this bike seems nice.


Aron how long have you tried a more newschool bike? Maybe you havent tried it long enough to get used to it. I´ve seen some amazing uk vids with more newschoolish bikes than yours and they definitely can do street with it (360°, 38" bunnyhops to manuals and so on.)

Im just saying if you want to do trials with a bit of street, i would do it the other way around -> get a newish trials frame with some street friendly geo.
But if you want to do street with a bit of trials then your new bike seems ok.


No one is dissing your frame btw, just stating opinions

[goose]

Dual disc, wuhoo! That bike looks really really nice! Last I saw from Aaron was his Match 4 segment on a Planet-X, which was excellent riding, so I hope that disc mount holds up!

[Keith Courage]

Looks really good, dude.
Is that the Spaceman RST? Either way, how does it perform?

[LanceT]

If you have a sponsor from a bicycle company, why wouldn't you just get the right type of bike for the specific task. Why try to make one bike do many things just OK. I know not many people can afford multiple bikes. But if you are riding for a bike company and have access to custom frames, why not make a trials frame for modern trials riding.

I just sidehopped 48" for the first time and I guarantee I wouldn't have done that on my cannondale. Trials is fun on a trials bike. Check it out.

Edit: bike looks nice. reminds me of Chase's c-dale for some reason. I don't see anything pertaining to trials on that bike though. Furthermore, the HIFI I had was the best bunnyhopping bike ever. I 2-wheeled 50" with it. So forget about that distinction. But I wasn't dirt jumping on it, that's for sure.

further suggestion: maybe we should bring back the old school in the form of a real stock class. All the serious trials bikes ride together, regardless of wheelsize, and the shorter, lower bikes can have there own sections that are more rolling and less hopping. There could be some geometry restrictions for the classes to make the distinction. I don't know if it will happen, but it could be done.

edit2: I think you would be surprised what the average rider can do these days. The old 40" reference point isn't valid any more. TRA sidehopped 56"! Browse around some of the video clips and you will see trials has been moving pretty quickly. I know the bikes have something to do with it. And once you get to the point where you can tap with a one pedal run-up higher than you can bunnyhop, you will see why the bikes are so good.

[WhiteRavenKS]

40" is still high... lots of chumps that eBike the forums nit pick all kinds of stupid details but cant up 40" with any method. lots of people going up that high these days i think has a lot to do with the gear but also just the fact that the riding as a whole out there is so much higher. the elite sections in vail in 01 were easier than the jr sections in 03. and now... pffft- elite riding is like watching some video game shit.

[birdman]

why wouldn't any pure trials specific rider want to go with the new tweaked out geo of today? i mean, i understand that lots of guys like to ride street style and that's great but the evolution and progression of real competition trials is what it is. i don't get why all the "godfathers" always say they wish the sections were like they used to be, as in longer, more rolling, etc.? who cares if it keeps people from crossing over more from freeride and other disciplines? they'd bring all the commercialized hype and image crap anyways probably. the trials movement starts overseas, it's not started here. so if totally redic bikes (to other cyclists) is what it takes to almost stay competitive then good.

btw - i also loved the px section of match 4. after wearing the vid out i would often still put it in just to hear murder by death and watch the ripping. i like your bike aaron but would dread riding trials on it. to each his own :bigthumb:

[dingus]

further suggestion: maybe we should bring back the old school in the form of a real stock class. All the serious trials bikes ride together, regardless of wheelsize, and the shorter, lower bikes can have there own sections that are more rolling and less hopping. There could be some geometry restrictions for the classes to make the distinction. I don't know if it will happen, but it could be done.
step 1: get trials a part of an overall XC points thing, combined with superD or DH as well, a la back in the day.
step 2: :hsugh:
step 3: profit

Off topic: I like the color blue. Do you? Why not? Its not a big deal, obviously, ...but I think you should.

[AaronLutze]

Did you know that over 66% of the USA picks the color blue as their favorite? It's true.

I remember back in the day when trials was FILLED with non-conformists. Now if you comb through the forums, everyone is telling you that if don't have the brand new French frame with the right colors and proper wheelbase, you can't call yourself a trials rider anymore. Sounds like high school to me.

I'm not going to ride one of the new bikes. I like my new bike, I've been trying to find this geometry since I broke my last Schwinn frame...and now I have it. I don't care if I can't sidehop as high as TRA, that's not why I ride!

That's it for me. Thanks everyone for your support and thumbs up to everyone on this thread that was stoked on the trials stuff in Match 4. I just dug it out tonight and watched it again, it brought back some good memories.

[BrettB]

nice frame Aaron
I hope everyone on this forum reads this thread

[LanceT]

I am not trying to be a fascist or anything here.

I just want to encourage people to stick with things. In my own experience, after doing a little of this and that for many years, I have enjoyed my recent progress in trials as a result of a lot of practice and using the right equipment for the job.

Don't limit yourselves or make excuses. A little commitment can go a long way. It's hard to stay focussed, but if you do good things can come from it.

Or you can be happy with whatever comes easy or what you can already do. Learning new things is stressful, I know.

That's the end of my Mr. Roger's public service announcement.

Edit: wheelbase is a poor reference point. Big Jeff's bike is actually about 1090mm wheelbase.

[morley]

So if someone is working in a company they should stick doing the same tasks and get really really good at them?

Well for me this would never work. I like to learn, and challenge myself learning new skills and tasks. So how does this relate to biking... well I still compete in trials events, ride natural, and people tell me that I should get a different bike. But I enjoy learning and if I didn't want to dream up new ways to ride old trials obsticles then I probably would have quit riding bikes a long time ago. It's not that I'm affraid to commit to somthing, it's just that I need some intellectual stimulation and a challenge. Everyone is different, so to each their own.

[DangerousDave]

wow its been a long time since anyone posted their seat angle. Sounds similar to the old norco teams with a higher bb. Only thing that seems out of place to me is the slack head angle.

I understand what Lance is saying though. Hearing Jeff Lenosky or Morley say that we should all be riding mountain bikes in the 'stock' class has always annoyed me. What is the point of limiting yourself with a bike like that if you want to compete and push the limits of trials. That being said not everyone is in it to compete so by all means ride whatever bike is the most fun for you.

[brian_E]

Did you know that over 66% of the USA picks the color blue as their favorite? It's true.


that may be true.. but 51% of all americans equal the majority while only 49% equal the minority..

and even more importantly you can't forget that 50% of all americans equal half..

sorry i'm drinking off a painful ride day.. =P

[Bryan]

So if someone is working in a company they should stick doing the same tasks and get really really good at them?

Well for me this would never work. I like to learn, and challenge myself learning new skills and tasks. So how does this relate to biking... well I still compete in trials events, ride natural, and people tell me that I should get a different bike. But I enjoy learning and if I didn't want to dream up new ways to ride old trials obsticles then I probably would have quit riding bikes a long time ago. It's not that I'm affraid to commit to somthing, it's just that I need some intellectual stimulation and a challenge. Everyone is different, so to each their own.

So you like novelty and stimulation... and the way you achieve this is by riding the same kind of bike you had ten years ago?

[BrettM]

So you like novelty and stimulation... and the way you achieve this is by riding the same kind of bike you had ten years ago?

No I think he said he rides what works for him. Its real tough to pull that from there I guess. By all means if you are hardcore trials competition measuring obstacles rider ride a bike that works for that. If you ride goofy like Morley ride a bike that works for that. Its the constant frustration of people getting shit on for riding something they like thats annoying. Aaron likes his bike. Good for him. If you like your bike, good for you. Its all the same.

Jump on my bandwagon Morley. No longer a trials rider, only a bike rider who rides trials, amongst other things.

[LanceT]

Dudes, better check out Danny Mac-a-skill. That sure looks like a trials bike.

http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/showthread.php?t=27918

[KeepRollin]

yeah but I heard from a friend of mine in Scotland that he doesn't really like the pure....

[20inchDUDE]

What Danny is doing is taking the advantages of the new style genetarion trials bikes aka geometry and mixing it with street style riding, which translates to bigger moves (hooks, ups, gaps) plus the usual manual and bunnyhop.

I guess some poeple just like to stay with what they are used to, and thats fine, but there are really strong evidences that adjusted trials geometry can improve ones traials skills and not reduce street (ripping) skills aka Danny M...

[LanceT]

I would laugh till I passed out if, (and it could be soon from the looks of things) BMX bikes started to have no seats on them. The riding has evolved to the point in BMX where they don't use it at all, similar to trials. They do barspins and no-handers and flairs to tail-tap...everything without touching the seat. They took off the brakes and everyone wants the bikes to be as light as possible. Some are using 29" wide bars and 22tooth chainrings. I think the seat could be next.

Then what would all the guys who are copying BMX on MTB's say about trials bikes?

It would be a major buzz kill.:rofl:

[BrettM]

The point is still being missed. You can ride the most natural natural or the streetiest street on whatever bike you want. The idea is to do it on the bike that you choose to for your personal preferences.

There is no one perfect bike for everyone. If there were all bikes would have identical geometry.

Lance you make a good point with the bmx seat issue. I've seen a very very talented rider sport a mod seat. It was entirely for weight and gave him just enough to pinch if he needed to. I'm not sure if no seat would ever catch, but I wouldn't rule it out either. The other thing, but very minor is although people may not look like they use a seat for something a lot of the times they are. I manual better on a bike with a seat. I have more control as I rest my leg on it for turns and such. Its not necessary but ya. Just a small example.

On the other side of the argument is those that choose to ride say brakeless or pegless or both, but still do tricks that are considered brake and peg tricks. On one hand its counter evolutionary. Its much easier to do a brake trick with a brake. On the other hand it is very evolutionary as you are taking a brake trick and doing it with none.

I recently did it to my street mtb of all things just for fun. I went from front and rear brakes and I'm pretty heavy on all the front and rear brake tricks to no brakes. It completely changes how you ride the bike and the feeling you have on it. Right now I'm loving it and am not too sure when I'll put them back on or if I'd only put on either just a front or just a back.

[Patrick]

opinion # 73

a little bit #45, not so much of #23, mos def with #36, a wee bit of #40, and 100% with #10. (don't actually look at any of those posts you monkeys)

[MIKE1968]

Just to set the record straight from my end...I didn't post the pics on here, I just sent those pics around to my friends to show them what I got.

I've been friends with the product managers and marketing guys at Diamondback for a long time and they asked me if they could make me a one-off frame and I said hell yeah (who wouldn't?). I'm not doing shows nationwide like Lenosky or anything like that, so no need to worry about me misleading the youth...I'm just riding around Portland, having a good time on two wheels.

....although, I doubt many of you started off on hardcore trials bikes--you probably all got into trials after watching Jeff, Ryan, Hans, Ashton, Kraus, Lance, etc doing trials on a bike that looked like your first mtb--then as you got more into it, you switched into the hardcore geometry.

Ah, what do I know...

kids these days start with a +60mm bb and 110000mm wheelbase and spend their first 2 years of riding trying to get 50" taps before they ever step foot on a log balance line.




note: this is the only post i read in this thread so far, not disagreeing/slagging on aaron but saying use OGs know what it used to be like. I'd rather ride an interesting patch of dirt with some strange technical roots than a wall.

[KeepRollin]

I'd rather ride an interesting patch of dirt with some strange technical roots than a wall.

word

[stocktrials]

kids these days start with a +60mm bb and 110000mm wheelbase and spend their first 2 years of riding trying to get 50" taps before they ever step foot on a log balance line.


i think this is due to all the videos coming out left right center. eg UK ones.. big gap drops, sidehops. every guy in england can hoo ha the back of a chair and has no fear of 10 ft gap/drops. this is all after just 1-2 years. :wtf:



i like riding rocks a lot. to each their own

[MIKE1968]

i think this is due to all the videos coming out left right center. eg UK ones.. big gap drops, sidehops. every guy in england can hoo ha the back of a chair and has no fear of 10 ft gap/drops. this is all after just 1-2 years. :wtf:



i like riding rocks a lot. to each their own

yeah..I wouldn't even attempt to sell my dvd to england, it's all pure natural trials (well...80% is), new kids have little respect for section riding. Then again who knows if it will go beyond the subscribers :wavey:

[mekanic305]

Yea...when you shippin the goodies?

[MIKE1968]

when i'm not homeless 1000 miles away from my computer :o

[rush]

Im stoked to have advance access to this like all the other subbies.

Ship as soon as you can homeless boy! :love:

[toyota200x]

I'd rather ride an interesting patch of dirt with some strange technical roots than a wall.

Word x 2

[J]

I like this thread. It's better than the one about dual brake pads. :joshers:

[morley]

So you like novelty and stimulation... and the way you achieve this is by riding the same kind of bike you had ten years ago?

Actually I was riding a 16" mountain bike ten years ago with 16.75" and it's not even close to the geometry of the bike I ride now.

If you think I like novelty and stimulation shows you know nothing about me, my bike, riding, or bike design. Time to go back to school young grass hopper.

[hophopsnap]

Awesome bike, puts my urban bike to shame.

edit-any riding pics yet?

[Bryan]

I need some intellectual stimulation and a challenge.
:dunno:

PS I have nothing against Mr. Lutze's frame or about your choices for frame design. Like Kevin says, that's a very stupid reason to think negatively of someone. I just think there's a lot of ignorance and elitism coming from oldschool riders that isn't necessarily justified. Who says that everyone riding a UCI bike is just looking to see how big of a wall they can tap? Look at Danny Mac... he's pulling ridiculous street style on an echo pure. Thomas Oehler I'm sure outrides any of us here in street as well... on a vracing or beleay. One can't really tell unless one has given a frame a few months of riding whether one actually dislikes the geometry or not. I'm not saying sell your frame and buy an xtp, just stop telling everyone else on this board they're worth shit because their wheelbase is long.

[morley]

:dunno:

PS I have nothing against Mr. Lutze's frame or about your choices for frame design. Like Kevin says, that's a very stupid reason to think negatively of someone. I just think there's a lot of ignorance and elitism coming from oldschool riders that isn't necessarily justified. Who says that everyone riding a UCI bike is just looking to see how big of a wall they can tap? Look at Danny Mac... he's pulling ridiculous street style on an echo pure. Thomas Oehler I'm sure outrides any of us here in street as well... on a vracing or beleay. One can't really tell unless one has given a frame a few months of riding whether one actually dislikes the geometry or not. I'm not saying sell your frame and buy an xtp, just stop telling everyone else on this board they're worth shit because their wheelbase is long.

Perhaps you should re-read my statement and you will realize that my comments are about why I enjoy learning new riding styles and that there is no mention of what bikes people should ride.

And for the record... I've never said anything ellitist perhaps if you read my article in mountain biking magazine you would have seen i put over the new school geometry and said how it's helped make trials easier for new participants and pushed the level of riding to new heights. Does anyone read?


PS - Danny mac I really enjoy his creativity, but Thomas Oehler is yet to impress me with his interpritation of street.

[Bryan]

And for the record... I've never said anything ellitist perhaps if you read my article in mountain biking magazine you would have seen i put over the new school geometry and said how it's helped make trials easier for new participants and pushed the level of riding to new heights. Does anyone read?
I don't read mountain biking magazine. That part of my post wasn't directed at you, anyways.

[echohi]

Wow, I feel tired just from reading this.

[Keith Courage]

^^ :bowrofl: