proto ashton

[Ali C]

hi, pretty tired so gonna keep it short.

Got my bike built today, its the longer proto ashton (1080 wheelbase, 380 chainstays, +20bb, 71.5 head angle)

The graphics arnt final yet, but I REALLY like them as they are!

I have ridden it for 10 mins, its soooo nice!

anyway, heres some (blurry, sorry) pics.

http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/gallery/1173783542/med_gallery_50_200_173533.jpg
http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/gallery/1173783542/med_gallery_50_200_208926.jpg
http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/gallery/1173783542/med_gallery_50_200_140236.jpg

[darkside]

Front end looks really good. The rear seems a bit "skinny" compared to the front, but overall, I love it!

[konrad]

the bike looks pretty cool,but the stupid discmount on the rear is redundantly.everbody knows,that it doesn't will withstand a trialdisc...

[WhiteRavenKS]

the bike looks pretty cool,but the stupid discmount on the rear is redundantly.everbody knows,that it doesn't will withstand a trialdisc...


if you it knows doesnt will not withstandify disc of trials then you dont not wont have to make-ification use it.

bike looks sharp. glad to see the new model for sure.

[rush]

Fuck yeah, nice looking bike indeed.

Great to see Ashton making progress.

[darkside]

the bike looks pretty cool,but the stupid discmount on the rear is redundantly.everbody knows,that it doesn't will withstand a trialdisc...
if you it knows doesnt will not withstandify disc of trials then you dont not wont have to make-ification use it.

And since they look like they're the same dropouts as used on the pre-mk5 Zebdi, it's a safe bet that they'll break when used with a disc.

[Ali C]

cheers guys

the frame is a proto, martyn wanted my feedback on what I thought of the disk mounts, I'll tell him to either make REALLY beefy well designed mounts, or non at all.

[darkside]

Good thing Ali. Honestly, if those are the same dropouts as the old zebdi (they certainly look like it), then those used to break all the time. The tabs were too thin and would crack, right near the disc caliper.

[WhiteRavenKS]

aka- dont use them? seems pretty simple.

[firewrx612]

if you it knows doesnt will not withstandify disc of trials then you dont not wont have to make-ification use it.

:momaru:

That actually made me LOL, thanks Kev :bigthumb:

[FoxRacer]

don't like it...

[Dekes]

How's the weight distribution on ashtons? They look really heavy in front.

[Stikman]

Nice bike Ali!

Lets see some vid action on it. ;)

[Zaback]

Geometry of it seems good, but the graphic is not doin it for me, but that's just me, not a fan of the white red and black on a frame.

[jmkimmel]

What does that bike look like without the little seat-thingy? Anybody got pixcorz?

[Keith Courage]

I wonder that too Jm. Although, were I to build an Ashton I'd keep it on.

Good looking frame, sir. Ashtons are one of my favorite stock bikes.

[stefan]

look better than the previous : not so beefy : is the "seat" kind of smaller ?

great bike

[pan man]

Are those the monty ti bars? how are they?

[epock7]

Ooo I like those numbers

[Chris]

if you it knows doesnt will not withstandify disc of trials then you dont not wont have to make-ification use it.


:rofl: online translatorz ftw...

[WhiteRavenKS]

How's the weight distribution on ashtons? They look really heavy in front.

tubes are hollow, rods are solid. i think. maybe that "heavy looking" front end will be countered by the "logically heavier" rear wheel?

[rush]

:rofl:

This thread is full of awesomeness.

[pansequito2001]

What´s the name of the handlebar?

[SubZero]

yeahhh!! good work ali!!!! looks fuckin awesome! but i guess
it will be too long for a small guy like me! :(

[Chris]

What´s the name of the handlebar?
The NAME is Monty.

[chronic]

The more I see those bikes the more I love them!

Looks sweet!

[pav]

The NAME is Monty.

No you dickhead, he's asking what he calls his handlebars, like a pet name.
Like for example Jason or Ingebar.

Idiot.

[Chris]

http://smiliesftw.com/x/wtcfawk.gif

[free_rideman]

Hey Ali C, how does this bike compare to the old one.

More specifically, what are some advantages for this new frame, and what are somethings that can't be done as well as on the old frame.

Thanks.

[jake1516]

This is a more UCI comp bike than previous ashtons.

The new headangle will make taps easier aswell as roll off's. (edit: id imagine the streety style of the original ashton's won't be as apparent, they won't feel so flickable either with the added length.)

I allready said it on T-F but ali has pimped this out to the max, Carbon BB axel, titanium pedal axel's not to mention a carbon comp stem. I said on T-F that it was all pretty wasted when you have a functionless disc mount, but on top of that he has 4-bolt mounts, along with V adapters.

Now fair enough this is a proto, but I seriously hope if ali is going to go to the bother of putting a carbon stem on to save a few grams, couldn't ashton make up a few frames for ali with just v mount's, and no disc mount at all, because if it does end up having a beefey disc mount, that will just mean it'd be the same as a bike with a normal stem/bb/ etc but no disc mount?

See what I mean?

Why go to the hassle of buying such light parts when your putting them onto a frame that doesn't save all possible weight?

[thetart20]

New pics:


http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/images/large_albike.jpg

http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/images/large_albike2.jpg

http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/images/large_albike3.jpg


http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/images/large_albike4.jpg


it has a titanium axle, not carbon:P

Martyn wont do a vee virsion as there isnt enough demand and he would have to order a large batch at a time, so doing a one off isnt cost efficient. Also martyn is sponsored by magura,making a vee frame might not go down well.

The disk mount isnt set in stone by any means, martyn just wants feedback, so we shall give him our ideas.

[MIKE1968]

looks tits, i'd proudly ride one

[darkside]

:eek: New pics are awesome.

[RyanMcVicker]

i would definetly ride one...

why put disc mounts on it at all unless they are going to be worth using?

[free_rideman]

That bike is nuts!!:eek3:

I'm happy that I have its older brother. I feel special.:hsugh:

[SubZero]

That bike is nuts!!:eek3:

I'm happy that I have its older brother. I feel special.:hsugh:

you are!!

same for me, dude!

btw: did you watch ma new vid? :bigthumb:

[free_rideman]

You are also a bit angry at the new geometry? Yay, that makes two of us!

Oh, I didn't see the vid. Can you give me the link?

-Ali C, do you know if they will make a small amount of the old frames still? I love them so much. If not I could always ask iolo to make me something simillar.

even if the geo might be a bit off to my liking, that bike still looks nuts!!!! :eek3: :wiggle:

[WhiteRavenKS]

i would definetly ride one...

why put disc mounts on it at all unless they are going to be worth using?


because it's a prototype and they're just dropouts... you point at something in a catalog and then the factory poops something out.

i have cable guides/stops on my frame that dont see any use and im sure lots of people who single speed their bikes do too... but no one's vagina is hurting over that. :hsugh:

[RyanMcVicker]

see the thing is... i dont think brake housing stops/guides can fail... disc brake tabs can... so thats beside the point... might as well make the mounts worth using if you put them on the frame at all.. such as the brisa/megamoo mounts where they mount on the chainstay.. DURRRRRRRRRRRFFFFFF

[WhiteRavenKS]

might as well keep them the way they are and sell the frame with a big sticker on it for people who's vagina wont stop acting up:

http://www.observedtrials.net/otn3/ButtSecks.JPG

[WhiteRavenKS]

see the thing is... i dont think brake housing stops/guides can fail... disc brake tabs can... so thats beside the point... might as well make the mounts worth using if you put them on the frame at all.. such as the brisa/megamoo mounts where they mount on the chainstay.. DURRRRRRRRRRRFFFFFF


ps- they can.

[Cryo-Cube]

ctfalconk
everybody knows that those are standard dropouts and that the disc tabs are not to be used. The ones who dont know will hear it sooner or later by other trials riders about it.

[Sondre]

If Ashton makes a shorter version again, I will buy it.

Yes.

[RyanMcVicker]

rofl i love making dumb arguments for fun

who knows maybe somone will want to trail ride or commute with a ashton and they will use a disc in rear.. but probobly only gay people who like curvy plastic seats up their ass everytime they hit a bump tee hee


but seriously.. the bike looks good

btw, kevin you should make a vid i havent seen one in a while.. youre still in boulder right?

[felix]

Good choice with the geometry!
Is there any advantage when running the front tire the wrong way round? ;)

[Ali C]

dont think it makes the much difference when riding, might try it the other way and see what its like

[SubZero]

Oh, I didn't see the vid. Can you give me the link?

:wiggle:

of course:
head over to: www.trialsrider.de (http://www.trialsrider.de) then videos--->videos "trialteil2" download! :)

Aaaaaaali!!!: will there be a shorter one???

[Ali C]

yes!!!!!!!!!!! whoooop

riding pics up soon (with bruno arnold too!!)

[SubZero]

Yeahyaa!!! good to hear!!! :h5:

Ashton is definatly ftw!!!

Looking forward for the pics, and OF COURSE FOR THE NEW VID!!!:naughty:

[Matty]

No Pictures here :( Sorry bud, can't see them :wtf:
I can see the new ones , very nice ;)
~Matty

[thetart20]

New pics:

http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/images/large_alimag1.jpg

http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/images/large_alimag2.jpg

http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/images/large_alimag3.jpg

http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/images/large_alimag4.jpg

He says: 'It's NOT a Magura!' :)

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[darkside]

:eek:

[brian_E]

if you it knows doesnt will not withstandify disc of trials then you dont not wont have to make-ification use it.


that's the funniest read on this site i have ever..

[Eisbein]

tell us about the echo HS33. please

[Ali C]

I never thought I would leave vees, but I was really interested in trying somthing different to a maggie.

I dont like the shape of magura levers and I am really scared of snapping them. This deng brake should be a lot better.

As soon as I opened the box I could tell it was in another legue! Its machined really nicley and has some really nice details (like the hose comming out next to the bars, almost impossible to hit). It really reminds me of a hope mono trials in how its machined.

Performance wise, I am REALLY impressed, the main reason I had a vee was because I would get arm pump with a maggie because it was hard to pull, with a little fiddle my brake is now easier to pull than my vee was! Its got a lot more bite than a vee, I can only hope it has the same hold!

The weight is good too, lighter than a maggie and a lot lighter than my vee setup.


put new stickers on too.

[rush]

Adam/Ali, please talk pricey pricey of the Deng brake.

Please. I like.

Edit: I could just go to the site hey?

[rush]

Price: £135.00 | Stock: http://tartybikes.co.uk/images/stock_5.gif

[J]

I saw someone with one of those.. I don't see anything about them on the web. Where'd you get it?

[stefan]

nice brakes ! it's the same lever i put of my maggies : only for 2 minutes ! i put back the old levers : i don't like the square shape of those echo levers

[Ali C]

neither do I, but a quick "machine" session with a file soon solves that and makes it as comfy as any brake I have used!

I got mine from tartybikes (as if you had to guess lol)

[lucky13]

sweet

[Keith Courage]

Same size master cylinder as Maggies?

Brake looks good. Lets hope Deng didn't cheap out on in the internals.

[Ali C]

all the internals are EXACTLY the same as a magura, so I am not worried about reliability issues.

[Oskar]

That Dengura is sick, fuck i tought that i never would buy a deng part but that looks intresting :wtc:

[lucky13]

Was watching the summer air vid,... and I want one of these now.

[Eisbein]

deng + magura, 2 reasons for not getting this brake, i realy hate the shape of the levers.

[Keith Courage]

BianchiOskar wins with the new name for this Hs33 replica.
This brake shall henceforth be known as Dengura.

[Ali C]

doesnt matter any more, my love for the vee brake was too powerful, so off came the dengura, it was a nice brake, but I am just a vee person.

[Eisbein]

doesnt matter any more, my love for the vee brake was too powerful, so off came the dengura, it was a nice brake, but I am just a vee person.

:h5:

[lucky13]

deng + magura, 2 reasons for not getting this brake, i realy hate the shape of the levers.

Not surprised at all that a german said this.

YA, zE magura is the perfect race of hydro rim brakes. "My shit is strau ne?"

Oh and thanks for your personal prefrence bitching.:luke:

Back to the bike:

Ali,

Do you have an ETA on the production of the frame yet? And do you think you could bring one over to OTNdays East? :coold:

[AgrAde]

Not surprised at all that a german said this.

YA, zE magura is the perfect race of hydro rim brakes. "My shit is strau ne?"

Oh and thanks for your personal prefrence bitching.:luke:


well it's no secret that anything deng makes that has moving parts fails catastrophically within the first year of use. so yeah, i'd tend to agree with the german :momaru:

dengura :eek5:

[lucky13]

meh, I've broken Magura levers made of cast aluminum CHEESE. So I'm actually looking forward to a cnc set of Denguras.

[BouncyFrancis]

have seen your vid,so smooooooooth,i like your style
good bike

[Eisbein]

i never had problems with my magura but i dont like this. V brake is easier more comfortable and gives me a better perfomance. So i think in future more people would run a V.

[Chris]

So i think in future more people would run a V.

:luke: As if vees haven't been around for ages and people still need to find out what a vee is like...

[stefan]

i would like to know in what words could the tensile patent be different from the patent of magura

maybe because tensile are cnc made

[wil]

i would like to know in what words could the tensile patent be different from the patent of magura

maybe because tensile are cnc made<

http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?id=10030

Tensile Offset Magura Mounts

[stefan]

thanks!