Indoor or Toulouse

[Photo by Sergio]

Video of the Toulouse indoor (http://www.photobysergio.fr/). Vinco and Hermance riding

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[CPHun]

Crazy sections, sick riding. That could be good to be there and watch it.

Thanks. :)

[eastside]

Sick stuff there

[Patrick]

Those sections are crazy. How much money do these people spend on organizing their comps? jesus...

Vincent is a beast

Thanks Sergio

[Greg]

As i see it it was not only a trial comp, but maybe a moto trial comp?! :dunno:
Or maybe some kind of exebition of some kind!
Non the less much much money in the organizing :)

[kobrakai]

yeah, it looks like they were doing an exhibition at a moto comp. wicked sections, and vincent just kills them too.

[hubertus]

yes it's a moto comp.
It's the indoor season in Europe. And beside the World indoor championship, there are a lot of indoor organized all over europe in the winter season.
I know that all the French indoors organizers always include a demo of bike trials with a couple of pro riders. I personnaly think it's the best moment of the show even if it lasts 15 minutes compared to the hour and a half for the moto comp'.
There are no indoors (moto and/or bike) in the US or Australia?

[va_tick]

liked watching Vincent more on the XTPR

[RomanC]

Pretty scary just to watch and think what would happen if the tire slips... balls of steel. that's all I can say.

[MIKE1968]

last gap in the spool section by vincent was....incredible. Vinco unwatchable :(

[jumper]

amazing video, Vincy got some incredible skills! last sidehop by Vincent, how high was that? :eek3danc:

[Sondre]

GOD! That was sick, immense..
I'd love to see a moto trial vid of that, anyone?

[tybikes]

Those sections look nuts! Its scary how big some of the sections are getting, particularly for a demonstration. Keep the pics and vids coming!

Photo by Sergio frequently updates with new photos/videos from these indoor events. There are some great moto vids from some of the indoor events earlier this year.

[Patrick]

I agree Ty, those sections are monstrous.. even for moto. You have to give props to Vinco for hopping on his front wheel on a small spool, 20+ feet in the air

[LanceT]

Hermance is off the charts. That new bike looks like he isn't riding a bike at all, just looks like him jumping off his feet as high and far as he can. Outstanding, but almost too much trials for me. It's only trials moves and nothing in between. He barely rotated the pedals one time in all those sections, just backwheel. It's spectacular, but the bicycle concept is being lost I think. Looks a lot like a pogo stick.

The comps this year between hermance and Beleay is going to be like Stewart and Carmichael in Supercross. Beleay was already won repeatedly, but if you ask me, Hermance being unbeatable is in the very near future. I know for sure beleay doesn't ride like that, and for sure not on a Monty stock.

Vinco won't be winning anything too soon. But he does a good show.

His bike is a joke. He should join the circus.:momaru:

[Patrick]

If you look at the 'Vincent Hermance' video from a year ago on the front page of sergio's site, you'll see that Vincents style doesn't really change.. don't think the bike has anything to do with anything

[Chris]

Overall Kenny's and Vincent's skills are pretty much on the same level. To me Vincent seems a bit more powerful and aggressive, which makes his skills more impressive. But Kenny makes it look easier, as he's smoother in all his moves.
But Kenny seems to be mentally stronger? Maybe that's why Vincent always comes second, with very few points behind Kenny.

But for this years comps, I doubt that Kenny will make it again. His new bike doesn't seem to fit him very well yet. And I wonder how well his rear disc will hold up in comps... we'll see.

[Cryo-Cube]

i think the difference is Vincent is very consistent. You see him ride in one video, thats how you´ll see him in every other video. He always gives 100%.
Where as Kenny "seems" weaker sometimes because he gives 100% on one day, then you see footage of him where "it seem" he has problems holding up to Vince because he just doesnt care to ride 100% (im talking about non comp things of course, he always gives 100% at comps)

I remember this Köln comp warmup video where Kenny wasnt even trying.
Or Koxxdays 07 non comp footage.

[Noel]

that vid was great. is Vinco just a demo rider now? cause i didn't see him in any comps last year but one i think.

i still think kenny is better than vince. style and smoothness over power moves anyday for me.

[Greg]

I think you can't really compare these two riders, because Vince rides more from power and Kenny is pretty much old style rider like Caisso!
Althougt they both have great power, but as Chris said: " But Kenny seems to be mentally stronger?"!!
For sure Vince is better in tapping but as you can see its not all that matters ;)
To Cryo-Cube's view that Kenny doesen't give all the time 100% he might be right, but i see it that at that certain point he can allways give 100% ;)
I respect Vince for he's power but as i see it is that style is much more harder to obtain than powerfull jumps :coold:

Greg

[stocktrials]

regardless, it was a crazy vid.

[stefan]

bit disapointed from vinco : why those feet ?

vince is so agressiv !! he really got his style : lots of moves and even ups on the front wheel.
he mastered some sick moves in there !

[va_tick]

in terms of competition Kenny definately seams more poised which Is what has made the consistent champ.....Vincents riding is much more raw. I think Vincent goes bigger than anyone else can(besides TRA..but he doesnt compete), however, he lacks the poise that Kanny has....meh....sick none the less....

[LanceT]

I completely agree that Kenny is more old school like caisso. The style is more reliable, but less dynamic.

I think if Kenny took the time to learn to ride a bike with a little bit more aggressive geometry and changed some of his techinques slightly, he would be on par with hermance's big moves.

I still say Hermance can do things that kenny can't.

Maybe a better statement is that Kenny is more consistent on natural and in comps, but Hermance has bigger ups. I'm not saying kenny can't do certain things, I think he has the ability. But there is a difference between "could" do it and "is" doing it. And Hermance "is" going really big.

But NO ONE else could pull backwards rear wheel hops like Vinco. He's the master of going in reverse.

[wimmeretz]

funny that people compare vincent´ and Kenny´s riding by a video(video alone would be stupid enough), where Kenny isn´t in... may be Vincent has some cm more, but just watch them in reality doing a comp; there are reasons why Kenny beats Vincent in the really big events; and don´t forget, the last Worlds and Euros had non-natural finals, with big moves only...
but we´ll all see;
and if it comes to hardcore technical natural stuff, there is Coustellier only:x:

[LanceT]

I am always interested in seeing who can really do what. If you win a competition it means that you were able to do those particular things on that specific day better than everyone else. Or at least you rode the smartest. But I think it is a compelling question to consider what people's total abilities are...not with one try or when they are nervous and under pressure, but what they can do at their best. Some are better under pressure, some rise to the occassion, certain people like a crowd and other's like seclusion. So I was just trying to mention that, although someone wins a competition, they might not have the highest overall capability, they may just be better in that format. I don't think this is a new concept to anyone, but it is the way I look at these videos. Now we can see much more than we could if we had to physically be there. So the story unfolds with a little more detail.

I think if Vincent was a little less skittish and would settle down and ride with the mindset that he is the best, he would be unbeatable. Like I said, it reminds me a lot of James Stewart in Supercross. If you have the highest capability, you don't need to try 100 percent, 99 will do. So maybe by my own logic, that is what Kenny does and he gets the results. I love conversations with myself.:rofl:

[Patrick]

I think the only people who could possibly know who is better at what or what styles certain riders have are those who have seen all these riders multiple times in person(Euros, AndyT, Elan, modtire, joel, other Americans who have traveled, etc..)

[fabian_tonfisk]

amazing

[LanceT]

I agree. In person is best. But my alterior motive is to determine if the newer geometry and style is better or just different. Beleay would seem to indicate new is not better, but maybe the next generation hasn't fully matured, so to speak. Just speculation arising from sheer boredom.

ride on.

[tybikes]

I see what you're getting at LT. I think the fine-tuning of bike geometries may influence some of the style in riding, but i think its more based on the individual. Even if VH and KB were on the same frame, I think we'd see a difference.

It seems like when Kenny beats Vince, its usually a narrow margin of victory, so their abilities in competition format are likely on par with one another. The difference is probably focus, but who knows. I just remember seeing Kenny at Worlds in 2000 and thinking "this guy is flawless".

[pav]

A friend at worlds told me that Kenny is extremly serious and will train and warm up with set warm ups and stuff and won't try big moves before competition, etc. Where as Vincent rides purely because he loves it and does whatever he pleases as he pleases, thats why he does what he does probably, because he enjoys it, where as Kenny is training all the time to get the win.
To me, it doesn't matter that much, Giacomo is my favourite. However, I see Vincent as having perfected all of his techniques much more than Kenny with sidehops, hooks, taps, etc and I think that helps give him his unique style, it seems Kenny uses more brute strength and is not as refined as Vincent, he can just put it together in comps better?

Anyways, no point in arguing, Rush is the best and will hammer everyone anyway, hands down!

[Greg]

Pav please don't smoke sooooo much ganja in the future :rofl::rofl:
Kenny riding with brute strenght??? :wtf:
I think its a bit funny when so say Kenny is not enjoying riding as much as Vince :D
You should see the two guys in person ;)
If Vincent only goes to the worlds for fun then he will never be world champion :P
And putting it together on comp is the hardest thing cause of stress :)


Greg

[pav]

I just mean in comparason to Vincent, when I speak about Kenny, he would love trials and try to use as much technique as possible, but compared to Vincent it can seem like that, doesnt mean it is.

Anyway, does anyone have more videos of the two?

[wimmeretz]

it seems Kenny uses more brute strength and is not as refined as Vincent


:momaru:

best post ever; you need to refine your your e-watching skills, can´t imagine you have ever seen them in real life

[pav]

Nup, I havnt, thats why I said its what my friend told me when he saw them, I didnt say it's what I saw.

Pfft, e-watching skills, your nerd, go out and ride!

[MIKE1968]

no one is as refined as kenny...he is from belgium, he has a different mindset than the french riders. Vince will have a little more fun every now and then, kennys idea of fun (on a bike) is doing pedal kicks (spins or whatever, w/o feet) while hopping on the front wheel. Believe me I have video :ugh:

Vince is larger, more power IMO- more brute force. When either of them go for it, you usually feel like kenny might just make it or might just step off at the top- when vince goes for it you think like the world is going to crash if he doesn't make it, but if he does you'll get an instand erection and cream your pants. A much better showman and interesting guy to view, I've seen alot of people ride in real life and no one comes remotely close to being as interesting as vincent....he is my favorite to film for sure.

[Chris]

Whenever Vince doesn't make a move, he kind of freaks out and shouts. But that's more of a "pushing himself", motivating thing, rather than getting really mad. Whereas you hardly get any emotional reaction from Kenny. To me Vince seems more motivated than Kenny. Maybe he wants it too much? Could be the reason for being 2nd all the time...

Somehow I have the feeling that Vince is an emo :momaru: At the worlds in Les Gets, he was so close to winning it. When he knew that Kenny won, I saw him walking away, being really sad and close to tears. Poor Vince :( 2nd place for life...