www.echobike.com Update ! [Archive]

beastoftheeast

01-10-2007, 02:01 PM

:eek3danc::eek3danc::eek3danc:. i wonder how much the prices will be. the brakes look so industrial but i think i like them. going to be interesting to see how they compair performance wise. i bet they will retail a little cheaper than magura. i hope that freewheel is cheap as shit. but good haha. i have an order on hold at webcyclery I think I'll ask how much they would sell the freewheel since they are an echo dealer and can find out...? bet you anything its not as good as WI but will be a bit less.

giventofly

01-10-2007, 02:09 PM

I always look foreward to reading echo website updates. heh.

no, really....those brakes look bonzer!

Acolyte

01-10-2007, 02:22 PM

Some smart changes to other parts and frame geos, imo.

Sondre

01-10-2007, 02:38 PM

Man, even I am getting a little interested in those echo brakes..

Echo seems to be better this year, much better. Their site looks better aswell :)

eastside

01-10-2007, 02:38 PM

I agree the changes do look nice. I'm glad the geo. thing on all manufacturers got a little less wild. To each there own I guess. I am interested in that brake lever. Hopefully I'll see it soon in the US...Anyone know any release dates and price's. I NEED one. I know GIVENTOFLY needs a lever also.

Ali C

01-10-2007, 03:16 PM

as long as the seals are good, that brake seems cool, I would much rather use that than a magura, *looks a lot stronger. I think I'll still be a vee guy though, still seems to be more advantages.

Freewheel looks fine, but I wont buy one untill they a proven

new bb can take front freewheel, that could interest me.

KMT

01-10-2007, 03:18 PM

"So in year 2005, we decided to make a trials specific hydraulic rim brake by ourselves."

O_o

lucky13

01-10-2007, 03:32 PM

ECHO4LYFE

I like the 31.8 lowriser bars.

I'm looking at mostly zoo stuff though. :momaru:

sethman

01-10-2007, 03:45 PM

finaly. ive been waiting for an update on the site for a year . some cool new shit. i just dont know about that lever body, very sleek and cool but maybe alittle weak, oh well . time will tell right.i trust deng with most of my parts and deffinatly my frame. i hope the new stuff is as good as it looks. thanks for letting us know about the update ,otherwise i wouldnt have looked at the site for a nother year or so.

sethman

toyota200x

01-10-2007, 03:45 PM

ECHO4LYFE

I like the 31.8 lowriser bars.

I'm looking at mostly zoo stuff though. :momaru:

That low rise bar looks like the bontrager bar I have on my XC bike. I hope they continue to make the old riser bar. It seems like a ton of people like them.

That brake looks a lot nicer than the proto type. A lot more quality.

They also seem to have dropped the HIFI.

Elan

01-10-2007, 03:48 PM

those new "riser" bars look awesome and the new pure looks awesome as well.

va_tick

01-10-2007, 03:50 PM

My faith is still wiht German engineering and a king drivetrain....fortunately I'm sure many on the forum will be guinee pigs for testing this new stuff.

Elan

01-10-2007, 04:00 PM

i dont see how you can fuck up the brakes, they will probably be pretty awesome. however, kings, much like diamonds, are forever.

Acolyte

01-10-2007, 04:02 PM

i dont see how you can fuck up the brakes, they will probably be pretty awesome. however, kings, much like diamonds, are forever.

Straight up. I looked at the fw and said "that's cool". Then I realized I have a King, and kept scrolling.

Alex_M

01-10-2007, 05:09 PM

:h5: SWEET!!!

Are there any online stores that are selling the new parts already? im interested in the price of new HS-44's aka "echo rim brakes"?!!!

mcdub

01-10-2007, 05:26 PM

Deng never stops amazing mehttp://www.echobike.com/images/partspics/brake/brake-red.jpg

I wonder how much these will leak.I dont know if its just asia,but his site is always slow as shit.

Elan

01-10-2007, 05:29 PM

i seriosuly think they will be good brakes.

trauma100

01-10-2007, 05:48 PM

High stand over ski plate.........

some things will never change

firewrx612

01-10-2007, 06:01 PM

Well... I like where the bleed screw is.

Matt101

01-10-2007, 07:33 PM

What kind of tires are those on the stock bikes?

Acolyte

01-10-2007, 07:41 PM

What kind of tires are those on the stock bikes?

Kendas, at least on the front.

The Hans Rey Telonix tire maybe?

Ebon Dragon

01-10-2007, 07:53 PM

that freewheel looks like my eno... wonder how much it costs

Friction Limit

01-10-2007, 07:56 PM

i have an order on hold at webcyclery I think I'll ask how much they would sell the freewheel since they are an echo dealer and can find out...? bet you anything its not as good as WI but will be a bit less.

Dang, I was on the site earlier today, must have just missed the update.
Yeah, my order from webcyclery is on hold waiting for the next Echo shipment. I wonder if they'll have the new brakes in the shipment? Look beefy!

Those new Control frames almost make me want to get one of those instead of the Adamant.

rush

01-10-2007, 08:25 PM

Those brakes look rad.

stinkybastard

01-10-2007, 09:42 PM

meh, im not 100% sold on the brake....id just get an echo blade and 2 slaves(if I ever had need to)
Im still sticking with the Germans..
"The rubber sealed is top quality made in Germany" How do we know that? maybe the Germans get the Seals from China?:dunno:
When/If my German brakes fail, i might be persuaded when all the kiinks, are taken care of.

literocola

01-11-2007, 08:02 AM

I like the new lever/body design, just a clean solid look.

Elan

01-11-2007, 08:04 AM

ash-kennard

01-11-2007, 08:16 AM

ahhh, they are so unbelieveably lush, i am buying a rear one, whatever the cost

chronic

01-11-2007, 08:25 AM

Wow, right on. I really like the variety of stem sizes! Of course after I bought this ZHI piece of shit. They can't even counter sink the bolt holes to the same length as one another. Not to mention weld shit straight.

I'm really interested in those brakes. Wonder how much and how long until we canucks can get them.

psyber_0ptix

01-11-2007, 09:10 AM

i like how they say

"Compatible with other company's brake system."

as if taboo to be mentioned

va_tick

01-11-2007, 09:54 AM

what happend to the translucent brake lines?

mikeschiavone

01-11-2007, 12:58 PM

I like it. That stuff needs to be tested by some reputable, un-biased people to see how it is.

It's nice to see a company that re-invests into the sport and develops new stuff, even if they get shit from the riders.

MIKE1968

01-11-2007, 01:05 PM

Looks good to me.

(I'll wait for someone else to buy and test it though :o )

lucky13

01-11-2007, 01:45 PM

what happend to the translucent brake lines?

Avitar props.

sethman

01-11-2007, 02:54 PM

That stuff needs to be tested by some reputable, un-biased people to see how it is.

i agree.Deng needs to test his shit before hes starts selling it to the masses. otherwise hes gonna get a shit load of warranties and no body is gonna want a new one. like me!

pav

01-11-2007, 03:55 PM

Maybe he already has tested it, if they started it in 2005 im sure he would have had time to test it?
Maybe not on a bike though, he probably just pulled the lever to see it worked?

Don Coyote

01-11-2007, 05:21 PM

That stuff needs to be tested by some reputable, un-biased people to see how it is.

But if someone from this forum wants to review it, I'll read what they have to say too. :momaru:

ronan_zj

01-11-2007, 08:58 PM

it has been tested by someone in china, they said its feel good

sethman

01-11-2007, 10:35 PM

do you know how much its selling for?

mikeschiavone

01-12-2007, 12:28 AM

It needs to be tested by someone who has nothing to do with Echo. I'd look forward to a review by someone Expert/Pro who is not sponsored by Echo.

rush

01-12-2007, 12:44 AM

it has been tested by someone in china, they said its feel good

Well, I guess I'll be buying it then!

ronan_zj

01-12-2007, 12:56 AM

do you know how much its selling for?
no , the price has not been released yet in China.
but I think Webcyclery may get price from Deng.

ronan_zj

01-12-2007, 01:33 AM

i guarantee you the echo brake uses magura internals.

The brake level set of ECHO hydraulic rim brake system. Compatible with other company's hydraulic rim brake system. The rubber sealed is top quality made in Germany, without match mark. For mineral oil.

trauma100

01-12-2007, 10:12 AM

This means nothing to the round eye's

Peace

01-12-2007, 08:25 PM

:rofl:

how the hell is deng NOT being sued by magura??? coulda sworn the hs33 was patented....

ronan_zj

01-12-2007, 08:33 PM

heh, I have the same question...
hmm, How come Deng doesnt want to use King's architecture to make his hub... maybe we will see it soon.

firewrx612

01-12-2007, 08:34 PM

:rofl:

how the hell is deng NOT being sued by magura??? coulda sworn the hs33 was patented....

There are no laws in China

pav

01-13-2007, 03:21 AM

If China had laws, they would be outta business.

Don Coyote

01-13-2007, 06:25 AM

how the hell is deng NOT being sued by magura??? coulda sworn the hs33 was patented....

Deng could have licensed them, or perhaps he found a way to avoid the particular aspect of the maguras that is patented. The patents that I have seen are for the post/quick release aspect that lets you remove the wheel without deflating. In one of their patents...
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US6374957&F=0&QPN=US6374957
...previous attempts at a hydraulic rim brake (and their flaws) are mentioned, so maybe the the whole master cylinder / two slave cylinders concept isn't patented. It is Europe, where the patent system is a little more sane than America.

Then again, maybe he's just ignoring it. Go Deng!

stickyworm

01-13-2007, 07:50 AM

dang with all the high engagement freewheels on the market now, I am surprised that echo would get into it. If they can do it a whole lot cheeper though, they'll do well.

literocola

01-13-2007, 08:35 AM

If China had laws, they would be outta business.

:rofl:

digo

01-14-2007, 05:32 AM

The patent of hydraulic rim brake dates back to 1986, and it was only patented for 20 years...

kieldp

01-14-2007, 06:37 AM

And after the 20 years it is really expensive to renew

Elan

01-14-2007, 07:09 AM

heh, I have the same question...
hmm, How come Deng doesnt want to use King's architecture to make his hub... maybe we will see it soon.

ckg will go out of theri way to fuck someone over if their design is copied. im willing to bet.

r464

01-14-2007, 08:14 AM

With all the engineering and quality control that go into a King hub, I support them completely if they have to go out of their way to stop someone from copying their work. I wish that they were a whole lot cheaper, but I commend them on how good their products are, and I would hate to see some fly-by-night foreign company take advantage of the work that they did by simply making a copy of their stuff.

yagimax

01-14-2007, 12:52 PM

love the levers :)

Mango

01-15-2007, 04:38 PM

deng must have some smart engineers to bypass the patent or he has really expensive lawyers. One thing i dont get is how he hasn't made tires yet.

lucky13

01-15-2007, 11:20 PM

ckg will go out of theri way to fuck someone over if their design is copied. im willing to bet.

I think I'd be willing to go out of my way as well.

Acolyte

01-15-2007, 11:59 PM

deng must have some smart engineers to bypass the patent or he has really expensive lawyers. One thing i dont get is how he hasn't made tires yet.

Echo does make mod tires.

lucky13

01-16-2007, 03:15 AM

Stock too. Those tires that had the white stripe on them?

jmlora

01-16-2007, 06:39 AM

check out the tires on the mods. I hadn't seen any thing like that! where did the CC go??

Chader

01-16-2007, 11:09 AM

And after the 20 years it is really expensive to renew
Not expensive, impossible. A patent is intended to allow a designer/company to profit from a unique idea/design as the fruit of their labor. In most cases around 20 years.

When a patent expires, it becomes common property and usable by anyone with no requirement to pay the originator. That's why it get's published with full detail in the patent office for public knowledge.

This is intended to further benefit society by making good designs more available to the masses for less cost.