so i still hate HS-33s

[decline]

for the last month i have had nothing but bad luck with my maguras. stuff strips out. lines break. brakes are squishy. well tonight i rebled my maguras. first time i bled them and i guess there was air in the line. well after hours of messing with it i finally get it dialed in. and they feel really nice. but is it worth it? i am still debating switching to V-brakes.

how much maint. do v-brakes require compared to hw-33s? the fact that their is no bleeding is about the most attractive thing in the world to me. but how often do you guys have to deal with your vees? and what all should i expect? will i be able to get the same feel and power as maguras?

also what all do i need for a set up? my phython obviously has 4bolt mounts so i will get bonz addapters i think. if i can find them cheap on e-bay in the end i would like avid ultimates arms and either ultimate levers or xtr. plazmatic pads. what are my options on brake boosters? i have an echo booster right now but is it possible to still use that with a v set up. or are their any booster/adapters out there worth getting? housing i was thinking XTR or Nokon.

any advice on any of this would be nice. thanx

[spoke2570]

Woah... If stripping the fittings is an issue get a good idea of what the spec tourque should feel like. A fish-scale on a wrench plus a little math will be cheap and effective. The hydro fittings don't need much oomph.

As far as bleeding: With a little practice and a pair of fittings on a pair of syringes (the right tools), It shouldn't take more than about 10 min per end including clean-up.

If you are a line breaker (I am) get a booster: It really helps protect the mess of tubing at the caliper.

I am thinking of opening up the threading on the calipers so I can run olives at all fittings. That will open up the options for line choice.

pete b

[MIKE1968]

"for the past 7 years I've had nothing but good luck with my maguras"


:)

[decline]

i have broken the line at the lever twice. and both the stripped threads wernt from over torquing...it was from a misjudgment and is thread. i have it all working just the first few threads on both the line and the bleed valve on the lever are stripped. once cuz the wrench hit the line housing and once the lever pushing the wrech sideways and junk. but im pretty much sold on the v-brakes. i just have a few questions first. my problems are stupid mistakes but if i have having the problem and there is something similar w/o the element that causes me trouble why not switch.

[lucky13]

Don't take this too badly but the thread should read:

"So I'm still retarted about working on hs-33s"

Go with V's if you are too ham handed to deal with hydro. V's are undisputably simple. Hope you like the feel of cable squish.

[aykay]

Sounds like the exact reason i switched to v brakes many years ago. If you are more of a keep it simple type person, switch to v brakes. You wont look back.

[hophopsnap]

I used to hate my hs-33s, but now that 2 years later, Im much more mechanically skilled, and I don't have the same hate.

[Don Coyote]

I use both. My vee setup is xtr lever, avid ultimate vees, nokon housing, some unknown carbon booster, crv pads, harsh grind. The brake feels very solid, much more solid than a magura and really works quite well. Far better than a magura ever did on the same canti frame. It's also very fast, none of that maggie fluid slowness that has people doing water bleeds.

However, in a head to head comparison to a similar maggie 4 bolt setup (CRM's but an alu 4 bolt booster) in worst case conditions (raining, steep muddy slope), the maggie, while feeling mushier, worked slightly better, ie less wheelslip.

So my take on it is this: Canti mounts: run vees. I will never use magura evo adapters again. Just way too much flex. But on 4 bolt mounts I will continue to run maggies. When I run out of 2004 master cylinders, I'll not use the new lever style again, I'll switch to vees.

And finally, that vee setup is a bit heavier and cost more than the magura equivalent.

[Ali C]

I would go vee, I cant be bothered to give deatailed reasons why, but heres some....

1) easier to pull than a maggie
2) easier to set up
3) more holding power
4) pads are easier to change and last longer (no wobbling and rounded edges)
5) adjustable power
6) quieter

[lewisdaly]

setting up and maintaining v-brakes with perfect alignment and spacing is no more laborious than setting up maguras imho.

i had a v brake set up on an old mod using plasmatics and a grind and/or belt dressing and it was on a par with my maguras for sheer bite and modulation, except that the feel at the lever on the v-brakes required slightly more squeeze, especially when gapping across rooftops.

[pan man]

I didnt bleed/play with my hs33's in two years

[guumer]

will v's work with a mod i thought the tire profile is to high and will hit on the cable?

[MIKE1968]

I didnt bleed/play with my hs33's in two years


Set em up, never touch them until the pads go out :dunno: My average is around 1.5-2 years per brake.

[stinkybastard]

last I bled my maguras was when i crashed and causes the crossover line to unthread. Really I cant complain much with my maguras now, but a while back I thought hydro trials brakes were dick cheese and would never ever use them again. So like you I understand. Try both and see what ones works best for you, couldnt hurt:dunno:

[Alex_M]

:Sonic: maguras r the best!

[mikeschiavone]

I love Avid Ultimate V's, avid lever (w/speed dial), nokon housing, and fancy trials pads. With that said, I'm running maguras on the Zhi.

Both systems should give you similar lock-up capabilities as long as you set them up properly.

Good luck.

[netto]

Don't take this too badly but the thread should read:

"So I'm still retarted about working on hs-33s"

Go with V's if you are too ham handed to deal with hydro. V's are undisputably simple. Hope you like the feel of cable squish.

i seem to remember some complainin from whistler:momaru:

[lucky13]

Yea,.. I needed new pads. They were all stubby and made adjustment iffy.

Probly would've complained with V's in that situation too, less leverage for the arm with less pad huh?

I'll rock V's someday, but everything I get has magura mounts. :dunno:

[gplung]

Magura's, no problems yet.

[sethman]

ive run maggies for a while now . no maintinance except pad adjustment. DONT GO WITH Vs. they suck . ive run them for the last two years and have seen the light with maguras. dont convert your gonna be sorry. plus vs dont have available pads like maggies do. id go with maggies. fix it, do what ever you can , but try vs for like a day . and compatability sux for trials.hope it works for you

sethman

[Ali C]

vees have just as many pads as maggies, seeing you can use any maggie pad on a vee, be it with an adaptor, or taking the material out and putting it in a resuable backing (like heatsink)

All I know is, with a maggie, my comp results were so so, lack of power, bits snapping and arm pump all paid their part, since I used a vee I have had the best results I have ever had (3rd in uk and 3rd in world champs, winning the 2nd rnd) Having a brake that just doesnt slip, I dont have to pull as hard and didnt break was a wonderful thing.

I dont deny that maggies are good brakes and if you dont suffer from arm pump then they can be wonderful, but a vee was just what I needed.

[decline]

vees have just as many pads as maggies, seeing you can use any maggie pad on a vee, be it with an adaptor, or taking the material out and putting it in a resuable backing (like heatsink)

All I know is, with a maggie, my comp results were so so, lack of power, bits snapping and arm pump all paid their part, since I used a vee I have had the best results I have ever had (3rd in uk and 3rd in world champs, winning the 2nd rnd) Having a brake that just doesnt slip, I dont have to pull as hard and didnt break was a wonderful thing.

I dont deny that maggies are good brakes and if you dont suffer from arm pump then they can be wonderful, but a vee was just what I needed.

whats your current setup? and bike?

[mcdub]

"for the past 7 years I've had nothing but good luck with my maguras"


:)

-2 for me.

[spoke2570]

The maguras have always worked for me, but...

I always felt that they could use a slightly smaller bore in the master cylinder or bigger slaves. The pads could stand to move a less and get more power.

pete b

[philth]

I'm about done with hydrolic on my bike, I got rid of the Hope disc up front, been loving the XTR v-brake ever sinces, even in the wet...My maguras have never been as good as I expected...I've been a bike mech for almost 9 year...everyone else's maggies I've set up they've loved, I hate them.

Actual fact the time has come....where can I get a 4 bolt adaptor for a V-brake?

If my riding improves I'll never touch a Hs33 again.

[mekanic305]

Set em up, never touch them until the pads go out :dunno: My average is around 1.5-2 years per brake.


werd...Sounds like your problems may be working on the brakes not the brakes themselves. If you can afford it, I'd say get v's and try em out but keep the maggs incase you don't like.