The trials of comparing trials bikes

[MultiRider]

So many models, so many specs, so hard to keep straight. So I created an XLS with the most common makes/models that has columns for frame material, BB height, wheelbase, head angle, and some other stuff. If you think it might help you, send an email to me at jimm100@hotmail.com and I will send it to you.

Lots of caveats, of course. I did it for me, so it may not have everything you care about. It is not a polished piece of marketing material. I just started listing bikes and specs that seemed important. It grew by spur-of-the-moment additions, not a grand vision or well-thought-out strategy. The info came from web sites like trialsin.com, webcyclery.com, etc, so none of it is guaranteed accurate.

I color coded some of the cells/rows to highlight the ones that met my requirements (dual disc, BB of 10-30mm, wheelbase around 1080). You will probably want to clear all that out and highlight for your requirements.

I put a bunch of stuff in there that is helpful to me for determining what I want and what was important to me. Again, your mileage may vary.

If you send an email requesting the XLS, please make it obvious in the Subject. I get a lot of spam and am pretty ruthless with the delete button. If I don't recognize the sender or the subject, it's gone without being read.

So, if you're interested, drop me an email. I'm happy to share it -- perhaps it will help you in your search!

If you live in Colorado and have any interest in helping a new guy get started, please include that. I'd be happy to have people to ride with. I met literocola and will be riding with him. Would like to meet others.

[firewrx612]

Sounds like a good idea. Why not post it? Maybe it could be a sticky that's updated regularly. A Wiki?

[RT Wolf]

Great idea. Do you mean you created something like this? http://free-du.t-com.hr/trials/frames.html

i don't thuink that's been updated for a while.

I like the wiki idea.

[Cole]

It's funny. It's probably a great idea to make such a spreadsheet.

But.. Why does trials attract such nerdy ass people?

[Chader]

^^^

lol, sad but true

[MultiRider]

Well, it's not nearly as comprehensive with regard to brands/models as that web site. I've never seen that one before. But mine is from the info available on 2006 models, so it is more up-to-date for the bikes covered. Please note that I was only considering stock bikes, so there aren't any mods in the XLS. But the format would probably be useful for anyone who was willing to do the clicking to dig out the info.

I'd be happy to post it, but don't know how. Cut and paste into a reply? I don't know how to start a wiki, either. More specific suggestions are welcome.

[MultiRider]

I tried cutting and pasting. It looks fine in the reply pane -- looks like a table with rows and columns and everything lines up. But I hit "Preview Post" and it becomes a mess.

Well, here goes anyway:

BrandModelFrame materialhead angleBB rise (mm)BB widthfork lengthchain staysframe lengthbrake mountframe weightpricePrice CompleteweightwarrMiscMore miscwebcyclery
MeanToddEcho (also at midwest)Pure6061 T67218 3851080Mag 4 bolt1990 grams$325 $1,325 steeper head angle than Control Echo ControlU6 "dent proof"71 (too slack?)10 or 20? 380 or 375?1065 or 1085Mag 4 bolt1875$500 13504 lb 2 oz1 yr 100 grams less than Pure, slack head angle EchoHiFiCNC headtube71553801085Mag 4 bolt$450 1450polished aluminumbrake, color, headsetZoo Pitbull"for the big guys"71.520 1090Mag 4 bolt200037514254.4 lb/ 2121 114mm rear hub width2006 is kind of greenPythonMODAdamantA1U6, CNC brake mounts, BB, drops71553721095Mag 4 bolt4251979gblackA26061, CNC71553851065/1095Mag 4 bolt325Czar Ivanblt 4 abuse, beefiest we sell"super high""super short"1070 or 1095Mag 4 bolt425GUTyphoonvery cool looking frame! 60 3751075 or 1100Mag 4 bolt 425hbtrials.com: used frame $250 (Canadian) www.trialsin.com
Tim Williamson 716-627-2676Monty231 Ti 7215 3901075dual disc 1950 25" rear? MBKT1000alloy; really cool frame tubes72.530mm73mm 3851080-1090disc and Mag 41.9kg675 1900 availability, shipping cost - from France KOTMS2U6??4573mm 3831066/1099
(I need 1080)bullet proof disc mount4.2675frame/800 fork1975HiFi is 1085Black very cool rr discsessioncycles.ca $500 ZHIZ1U672353801080mag 4440WhiteSimtraST-1alloy7220std 68mm400mm3801080mag and disc 5501600 Canadian company BTRaven 6.0503751065/1100Mag4 colorsBTNinja1065/1100MagKoxxXTP R71.5403801080Mag 4?27002300Special!XTP short3801055? through? 31-DecLevel Boss1040, 1065, 110075023001900Special!Caisso7K alloy; fling me!looks flat3901065frame too short80023001890Special!Belaeylooks flat380108090024001995Special! Vinco"way high" 80mm?380111511002600 Special!DerangeboyMarc Vinco?71.580mm385108527002200Special!ExcessBoy71.5 80mm385106527002200Special!Giacomo Coustellierlooks flat3851095frame too long25001995Special!

[RT Wolf]

Maybe Google Spreadsheets?

[bidaci]

print screen and save it as a bitmap?

[MultiRider]

I tried the print screen idea. The 197mb OTN limit requires me to resize and reduce quality until the content is unreadable. I googled spreadsheets and found sites that will turn it into a web page. I don't think that is the desired approach, is it?

I emailed the XLS to the address given on http://free-du.t-com.hr/trials/frames.html and told him he is free to update his site with the info it contains. Hopefully he is interested/willing.

My XLS has info his web page doesn't (such as BB height), so it will be interesting to see if he includes the new columns. If he does the update.

I'm still willing to email it to people. PM your email address to me.

[the@bourd]

Thanks MultiRider for your thread !

Here is a XLS (http://labourde.free.fr/PhotosVtt/frames.xls) of the webpage http://free-du.t-com.hr/trials/frames.html.
I made another XLS file (http://labourde.free.fr/PhotosVtt/geometrie.xls) with some frames and forks of last year (sorry in french an IS) .

A major problem is the width ? Meter or inch ?
As french, I'm habitué to deal with International System (meter, gramme, etc...)

Could you send me your XLS file ?
I would put it on my FTP account, and every body will be able to download it.
It's a first step.

I'm considering the setup of a wiki, but I'm not familiar with technologies, so be patient !

[AndyT]

if you fucking faggots would spend 1/8th of the time riding a bike as you do analyzing stupid shit you'd probably have some killer STDs.

[the@bourd]

if you fucking faggots would spend 1/8th of the time riding a bike as you do analyzing stupid shit you'd probably have some killer STDs.
:eek3:

1. It's difficult for me to ride this week-end:
http://labourde.free.fr/PhotosVtt/IMG_6991_thumb.JPG (http://labourde.free.fr/PhotosVtt/IMG_6991.JPG)
http://labourde.free.fr/PhotosVtt/IMG_6992_thumb.JPG (http://labourde.free.fr/PhotosVtt/IMG_6992.JPG)
http://labourde.free.fr/PhotosVtt/IMG_6996_thumb.JPG (http://labourde.free.fr/PhotosVtt/IMG_6996.JPG)
http://labourde.free.fr/PhotosVtt/IMG_6997_thumb.JPG (http://labourde.free.fr/PhotosVtt/IMG_6997.JPG)
I broke my crank yesterday.

2. This week, I rode about 2-3 hours per day. And you ?

3. And if I want to spend 90% of my time "analyzing stupid shit" instead of riding, it is my life, not yours.
Bartholdi and Eifel's gift wasn't enough ?

[RT Wolf]

Haha, it's just Andy, don't take what he says too seriously.

[MultiRider]

Thanks MultiRider for your thread !

Here is a XLS (http://labourde.free.fr/PhotosVtt/frames.xls) of the webpage http://free-du.t-com.hr/trials/frames.html.
I made another XLS file (http://labourde.free.fr/PhotosVtt/geometrie.xls) with some frames and forks of last year (sorry in french an IS) .

A major problem is the width ? Meter or inch ?
As french, I'm habitué to deal with International System (meter, gramme, etc...)

Could you send me your XLS file ?
I would put it on my FTP account, and every body will be able to download it.
It's a first step.

I'm considering the setup of a wiki, but I'm not familiar with technologies, so be patient !
I'd be happy to send the XLS to you. Please let me know where to send (email address).

It would be helpful if the spreadsheets you posted had column headers. Also it would be best if they used metric consistently. I was very interested in BB height, so that figured prominently in my evaluation of frame geometries.

[WhiteRavenKS]

:eek3:

1. It's difficult for me to ride this week-end:




I broke my crank yesterday.

2. This week, I rode about 2-3 hours per day. And you ?

3. And if I want to spend 90% of my time "analyzing stupid shit" instead of riding, it is my life, not yours.
Bartholdi and Eifel's gift wasn't enough ?

where's the "cry-tears" smiley? i guess this one will work :sadwavey: or better yet, this one :wuteva:

[the@bourd]

Ok, I did some changes (headers, I merge the files, add colors).
Here is the new file:
http://labourde.free.fr/MTB/Trial/geometry_bike_trial.xls

Here is my email address zebourd@yahoo.fr.

Sorry, I did not understand it was a joke ...:down:

[MultiRider]

Ok, I did some changes (headers, I merge the files, add colors).
Here is the new file:
http://labourde.free.fr/MTB/Trial/geometry_bike_trial.xls

Here is my email address zebourd@yahoo.fr.

Sorry, I did not understand it was a joke ...:down:

Nicely done. You might want to add columns for brake type (disc, mag). Rear wheel width is useful. I didn't have that on my XLS, but it is helpful because some bikes are now using the narrow SS width and cannot have gears. I ruled those out because I want gears to be able to ride to and from the place I plan to do most of my riding which is about 1.5 miles away. What is the column labeled "D*"?

My "Price Comparison" worksheet is actually a way to compare components. I thought it was very useful. Food for thought.

So, again, nicely done!

[the@bourd]

Thanks !

D* is the distance between bottom bracket and head tube.
See tartybikes.co.uk.


Here a preview of the wiki:
http://labourde.free.fr/MTB/Wiki/index.php?n=Main.HomePage

I have to format further the pages...
But it is already a first step.
Some rows left (like Magura/Disc,Weight,Alloy).
I think I will remove "comments" rows, else users will write "Echo are shitty built. Koxx is the best !!!!"

I am looking for a webdesigner too, cause the design is :down:


PS: Any help will be appreciated.

[MultiRider]

That is pretty cool. Have you enabled it for editing by others yet? If so, I couldn't figure out how.

Will the editing feature enable users to add rows? For instance, the BT Raven 7.0 is out now and needs a row.

Is it possible to enable users to export it to a XLS? That way they could manipulate it on their own computers and highlight what is important to them, hide rows for bikes they've decided against, etc.

Is the "Source" column going to be a list of places you can buy it from (TrialsIn, Webcyclery, Midwest Cyclery, TartyBikes, etc)?

I'd like to see the post for that web link to be a sticky so that it is obvious / easy to find for people that are shopping for a new frame/bike.

[the@bourd]

>That is pretty cool. Have you enabled it for editing by others yet? If so, I couldn't figure out how.

Only the stock, mods and 24" pages are editable.
The others are locked
Click on the edit link at the left on the page.

>Will the editing feature enable users to add rows? For instance, the BT Raven 7.0 is out now and needs a row.

Yeah no problem !
You just have to learn the PMWiki Syntax. Good luck :p
But I try to develop a plugin to make it easier.

>Is it possible to enable users to export it to a XLS? That way they could manipulate it on their own computers and highlight what is important to them, hide rows for bikes they've decided against, etc.
Select a part of the tab (or the entire tab). Then copy it and paste it in your XLS or ODT file.
There is also a XLS button to convert your text to a tab.
For example, copy lines in your XLS file, paste them while editing the page.
The select them, and click on the XLS button of the menu bar.
Now, the lines are formatted.

>Is the "Source" column going to be a list of places you can buy it from (TrialsIn, Webcyclery, Midwest Cyclery, TartyBikes, etc)?
Now form where come the data.

>I'd like to see the post for that web link to be a sticky so that it is obvious / easy to find for people that are shopping for a new frame/bike.
I would like to test the wiki before make this thread sticky (security). So be patient !

[MultiRider]

>That is pretty cool. Have you enabled it for editing by others yet? If so, I couldn't figure out how.

Only the stock, mods and 24" pages are editable.
The others are locked
Click on the edit link at the left on the page.

>Will the editing feature enable users to add rows? For instance, the BT Raven 7.0 is out now and needs a row.

Yeah no problem !
You just have to learn the PMWiki Syntax. Good luck :p
But I try to develop a plugin to make it easier.

>Is it possible to enable users to export it to a XLS? That way they could manipulate it on their own computers and highlight what is important to them, hide rows for bikes they've decided against, etc.
Select a part of the tab (or the entire tab). Then copy it and paste it in your XLS or ODT file.
There is also a XLS button to convert your text to a tab.
For example, copy lines in your XLS file, paste them while editing the page.
The select them, and click on the XLS button of the menu bar.
Now, the lines are formatted.

>Is the "Source" column going to be a list of places you can buy it from (TrialsIn, Webcyclery, Midwest Cyclery, TartyBikes, etc)?
Now form where come the data.

>I'd like to see the post for that web link to be a sticky so that it is obvious / easy to find for people that are shopping for a new frame/bike.
I would like to test the wiki before make this thread sticky (security). So be patient !
I think the spreadsheet would be valuable to others as it is. Have you tried to get it made "sticky"? I thought of this again because of a new thread asking about which bikes have high BBs and so on.