New stuff from Pegasus Bikes

[crater38]

Sick of aluminium hubs "licking"?

[mcdub]

I woudn't even ride one if it was free.

[rush]

Great idea. Not sure how much difference it makes, but the machining on the thing looks terrible.

I have amazing E-biking skills, considering that the only biking I do.

[mcdub]

absolute 0 quality

[crater38]

absolute 0 quality
Try it then judge it. It's made of high quality tool steel.

[Extreme Mark]

chances are that they'de last a fair while, what's the weight like on one of those?

[crater38]

chances are that they'de last a fair while, what's the weight like on one of those?
Think not heavier for echo.

[mcdub]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/mcdub/quality.jpg

[crater38]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/mcdub/quality.jpg Check the second photo dude. Something with photo. I even didn't think about mentionin that. That all made by lazer. How can it be wrong???

[mcdub]

Also in picture 2 notice all the air holes in the cheap ass metal.

[crater38]

Also in picture 2 notice all the air holes in the cheap ass metal.
It looks like you only want to shit me. Yuor words mean nothing till you break thih stuff...:h5:

[mcdub]

It looks like you only want to shit me. Yuor words mean nothing till you break thih stuff...:h5:

No I want people to see the light and buy king products probably a tad mroe expensive but well last more then just a month.And also help a real compagny that stands by there quality production standarts.

Your just Deng but in ukraine.
And you have nothing else to say because you know I am right.

[crater38]

No I want people to see the light and buy king products probably a tad mroe expensive but well last more then just a month.And also help a real compagny that stands by there quality production standarts.

Your just Deng but in ukraine.
And you have nothing else to say because you know I am right.
You're 100% wrong. I had such one for 7 month and it's 100% new. I test before I sell. Does it make sence to sell no quality stuff? And then no CUSTOMERS dude? Think about it.
I'm ready to answer for the consequences.

[mcdub]

Oh it well last for a bit im sure,echo cogs are much nicer made then this one and last max 2 months.But not enywere near a king product such as there steel cogsme,wich have proven me 2 years of true quality.

Quick question.Your frames.They retail for how much ?? were do you get them fabricated ??? and how is your metal coast ???

Other quick question other then "high quality steel" wat is the real metal used.

Await your answer.

[crater38]

Oh it well last for a bit im sure,echo cogs are much nicer made then this one and last max 2 months.But not enywere near a king product such as there steel cogsme,wich have proven me 2 years of true quality.

Quick question.Your frames.They retail for how much ?? were do you get them fabricated ??? and how is your metal coast ???

Other quick question other then "high quality steel" wat is the real metal used.

Await your answer.
Ok Man. About frames-- it's not time to speak about it.
About material-- tommorow you'll get all info about it)))
Please don't compare it with echo/ All our products are handmade in Europe.

[willapaj]

I like the idea of these cogs, but I think mcdub's got a point here...
Are those brand new cogs? What are the dark spots on some of the teeth? If those are voids in the metal, that doesn't seem very "high quality" to me.

[mcdub]

Poland?

[crater38]

I like the idea of these cogs, but I think mcdub's got a point here...
Are those brand new cogs? What are the dark spots on some of the teeth? If those are voids in the metal, that doesn't seem very "high quality" to me.
We didn't think too much about how it looks... We think about how it rides. It would be more expansive with "handsome polishing"

[jocketrial]

STOP DISSING. I would really like too try one. Where can I buy it ?

[bouncingbabyboy]

How much do they weigh?
How much do they cost?
How much is shipping to the US?

I don't really need a new cog, but if I did those are the questions I would want answered. I noticed the dark spots on the teeth but I would try one on a shimano wheel. The problem I see is that if you go that wide it better line up right the first time because there isn't much room left for spacers. You either get a good chain line or a bad one. Spacers are cheap compaired to bottom brackets.

[toyota200x]

STOP DISSING. I would really like too try one. Where can I buy it ?



I would also like to try one. As long as they work good I am not concerned with how they look.

[PXride]

Not trying to put down your product, but wouldn't it be better to use spacers so you can line the chain up perfectly with the crank?

[Mr_Penut]

rofl@the captains of industry in this thread

go fuck yourself with a katana

[ChrisB]

they look really heavy to me. whats the weight? i think kings are like 45g

[rocpyro]

If the gaps werent there(which they are) I would totally use one. I always dig in w/ others, I really want a wider base like this. The machining on those splines is horrendus. It isnt a matter of looks, its a matter of having a clean interface.

http://www.observedtrials.net/otn3/chris_king_cog.jpg

[FoxRacer]

price, shipping cost to poland, width??


His frames are normal bikepol stuff, so nothin' special

[kobrakai]

Check the second photo dude. Something with photo. I even didn't think about mentionin that. That all made by lazer. How can it be wrong???

:bowdown: Best Quote ever! something with photo? yeah, there's a crappy cog in it. and it looks like the splines were cut with a hand-file, not a laser.

[Chris]

Basically it's a good idea, but imo it's not thought to the end. There are lots of things that can be improved. Make the base half the width, there is no need to make it that wide! A 4mm wide base is enough, so that it won't dig in. And as already said, it will be almost impossible to get a good chainline with such a wide based cog.
And please leave away the holes. That scares me!

And if it's manufactured to Mielec frame tolerances - then just DON'T sell them ;)

[rocpyro]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/mcdub/quality.jpg



Ping pong. LOL.:momaru:

[mistri@l]

mcdub
u rule at life

[willapaj]

We didn't think too much about how it looks... We think about how it rides. It would be more expansive with "handsome polishing"
What the fuck are you talking about? They look good, albeit heavy... that's not the issue.

[pan man]

crater, you got burned

[felix]

http://www.fahrrad-beelmann.de/shop/catalog/images/69021.jpg

[mcdub]

there is also fucking air in the metal.Look at the cog thats on the bottom.Look at the teeth on the bottom left.Air in the fuck metal.

Piece of shit stuff.

P.s

a rep/owner that doesn't even know wat fucking metal is used is VERY promising......

[kobrakai]

http://www.fahrrad-beelmann.de/shop/catalog/images/69021.jpg

ROFL that looks like a very credible bike company! :ugh:

[trialsrider50]

there is also fucking air in the metal.Look at the cog thats on the bottom.Look at the teeth on the bottom left.Air in the fuck metal.

Piece of shit stuff.

P.s

a rep/owner that doesn't even know wat fucking metal is used is VERY promising......

the funny part about that is it's really easy to polish out and cover up. how do you know most other manufacturers aren't doing that. OH NOES. unless you've actually worked for King, or Surly, or whatever making the cogs then frankly you don't know, and even the famous king cogs break, i know, I've seen it. Whatever, I think we'll all live, probably half the people out there screaming "king cogs!!!!" aren't even using them. I'm using a profile and it's the best cog I've ever had. more than good enough for me. this cog has way to wide of a base, it's just overkill, and dark spots do make people with interwebengineering degrees nervous.

[rav]

We didn't think too much about how it looks... We think about how it rides. It would be more expansive with "handsome polishing"

Have You ever think about weight ? looks more then hub

[mattyv8]

Hey Props for bringing out a new idea and product to a market thats so small and overlooked..at least your trying.. I always had issues of chainrings digging into my king freehub body so badly that I had to take hammers or do some pretty stupid things to get them off. Right now the surleys are working, except I swear the teeth arnt the right size since my chain keeps skipping unless its extremely tight.
BUT - since my teamate Adam is a tool and die maker and after being exposed to the best machined products by king etc, this just wont cut it these days quality wise. Im sure you guys can do a better job at this - its not that ghetto over in that part of the world is it? You guys have the technology and know how dont you? Cuase serious this looks like it was almost made in a blacksmiths shop back in 1789. Its 2007 almost and we gotta keep up to that, even in this small trials market. But again, good idea and good for you to want to add a little diversity to the trials product market. Keep it up and just learn from this.

[mcdub]

trialsrider50

Yes I was a cnc machinist for chris king 3 years ago.How do you think I got my full groupo so cheap.

Yes the aluminium king cogs broke.I give it to you.But your asking for trouble to use a alu bit on a trials drivetrain.

Aswell as a nother strong point about the bad design of this.The chainline.It woud lead to people having to space/ get wider bb's just to run your product.And yes Matt is right.All give you credit for trying to produce something.I wont give you credit for saying and lieing about hwo this was made.Thsi was not lazer cut with a machine norr is it the highest form of steel.

P.s raw steel bits well rust within a matter of hours exposed just to humidity.That looks to be polished alu.Steel cant be polished but chrome dipped.Witch is why all king cycle group cogs are coated.

Enyhow.Im not holding enyone back on buying someones product.I just wont say " I told you so" wen you come on here crying about how shitty it is.

And I woud like to say something about wat matt said.The teeth sizing.So far out of everything I've used the only cog to not jump on me is a king one.but they are expensive and not always available so sometimes we must do with wat we have.

[smudge]

trialsrider50

Yes I was a cnc machinist for chris king 3 years ago.How do you think I got my full groupo so cheap.
I came out of my hole to post. I hope no one takes you seriously and I have to think that for King to hire anyone, they would first like to know that you have the ability to spell at least marginally well.

Yes the aluminium king cogs broke.I give it to you.But your asking for trouble to use a alu bit on a trials drivetrain.
Steel ones break too. Ask me how I know, or better yet, search the forum for my pics.

Aswell as a nother strong point about the bad design of this.The chainline.It woud lead to people having to space/ get wider bb's just to run your product.And yes Matt is right.All give you credit for trying to produce something.I wont give you credit for saying and lieing about hwo this was made.Thsi was not lazer cut with a machine norr is it the highest form of steel.
I won't argue the chain line issue, but how do you know about how it was made?

P.s raw steel bits well rust within a matter of hours exposed just to humidity.That looks to be polished alu.Steel cant be polished but chrome dipped.Witch is why all king cycle group cogs are coated.
Steel can't be polished? I really hope folks know better than to take your word.

Enyhow.Im not holding enyone back on buying someones product.I just wont say " I told you so" wen you come on here crying about how shitty it is.
Dude?

And I woud like to say something about wat matt said.The teeth sizing.So far out of everything I've used the only cog to not jump on me is a king one.but they are expensive and not always available so sometimes we must do with wat we have.
Ey wood liek to sai somfing two. yor E eingynering skylz suk. go bak to e colidge.

Everything I just wrote is a lie. McDub, I'm going to post pics of the ti frame I just built in the OT forum. With all of your engineering and machining experience, I hope you can tell me all the different ways I fucked up. It would really help a brotha out.

[eturt9]

How wide are they? I dunno, to me it looks like there is still room for a couple spacers to adjust some chainline.

Machining does look really bad on the inside. Perhaps these were just a prototype crap run?

The bubbles everybody talks about could just be dirt or oil, or they could be pits. It's a picture and you can't tell.

[mcdub]

edge polish your steel and see wat well happen withing 2 drops of water on it.

Witch is why its chromed.Atleast a man of such great caliber such as yourself I was hoping you woud know of such a thing hense why people do not bother with polish steel and send it out to the chromer.

[kobrakai]

raw steel bits well rust within a matter of hours exposed just to humidity

pat, we aren't talking about the mexican steel that VW's are made from... it shouldn't rust that fast. :noes:

[kobrakai]

all king cycle group cogs are coated

and oh yeah, all king stuff is stainless steel

[mcdub]

pat, we aren't talking about the mexican steel that VW's are made from... it shouldn't rust that fast.

Some parts are mexican.Some are german.They well rust the same.
My friend polished his widened steelies he didn't listen to me.guess wat.1 humid night next morning they had surface rust.Ended up getting them powdercoated.

The cogs aren't raw stainless thats for sure.They have a coating on them.
Unless I have major life troubles and eye ishues.

[modtire]

Uh, two materials guys have posted here now, its on. Yeah finely polished steel, if not coated, will oxidize very readily. Are those polished or some type of chromed. The holes in the teeth look like they could just be incomplete coating (yet another idication of stunning quality). These look like they would be more of a hit witht he 26" BMX guys to me, but hey whatever

[eturt9]

Just HVOF spray coat it with Fe48-Cr15-Mo14-Y2-C10-B11 and it will be all good.

[mcdub]

I woudn't want to have to coat a product I just baught regardless of the price.
Thats just plain stupid.

[eturt9]

you woulnd't be coating it stupid, they would.

It was a joke anyway, deeerrrrp.

[BenR]

It's spelled which not witch

[PXride]

It's spelled which not witch

yeah alot of things that mcdub types are wrong, so if that's the only correction you have...

[trialsrider50]

you have to admit though. that first picture looks like the splines were made with nail clippers. like I said, my profile is awesome. I have no need to change.

and mcdub

I think kings are really the ultimate cog and ultimate pretty much everything so I wasn't attacking them at all. And king does coat their cogs with something a little different. I just don't think we can really tell what this cog is make of until we try it. We'll never really know the quality. and I would hope that when you get something like that the splines don't look like the picture.

[smudge]

The cogs aren't raw stainless thats for sure.They have a coating on them.
Unless I have major life troubles and eye ishues.

The King cogs aren't coated, they're bead blasted.

[crater38]

Sorry for late answer guys. All written below is 100% truth. Please don't judge me to serious for my bad technical English. Hope everything will be clear for all you.

Material: Tool Steel EI 961 (anyway it's called so here in Ukraine)
Heat treatment up to 43 hardness units
All laser cutting


Also I want to mension:
1. Ring is tightly fixing on hub.
2. There's no coating-- it's just a bit polished (and I assuring you-- steel is possible to polish)
3. Inner part wasn't coated or polished so it looks quite ugly, but quality remains the same high thogh.

[mattyv8]

im dead serious when I say I am willing to buy it and try it, im so pissed at my surly cuase its just making my chain skip, and I know its the surly cog.

[mcdub]

im dead serious when I say I am willing to buy it and try it, im so pissed at my surly cuase its just making my chain skip, and I know its the surly cog.

Matt.Wat gear ratio are you runing ???? if your using a 16t burnie.Allot of people have trouble finding the perfect tension too much itl skip not enough itl skip.ITs trully a bitch of a drivetrain bit.

[mattyv8]

im using 15t surly - I had my chain super tight and it didnt skip becuase it was so tight there wasnt enough slack for it to jump off my cog. But now with a new Kool chain its just not working no matter what. So im getting 2 sizes of these new cogs 15 & 16t that craters selling, testing them and well just see how it goes, right now anythings better then skipping. Any alignment issues, well anyone can fix that if there not lazy.