WTB: 19t freewheel

[Bryan]

I want to try 22:19 for a bit. will probably get from webcyclery, but just in case?

[Trialsaddict]

19t freewheel? You sure? That will have a lot of play in it.

[carnagr]

You can't get a decent 19t freewheel.

[Bryan]

Forgive my ignorance- why?

http://www.webcyclery.com/product.php?productid=16691&cat=249&page=1

[anotherfatbastard]

"The ENO freewheel also has a ratcheting mechanism with a whopping 36 teeth, with 3 engaging pawls. No more replacing your freewheel every few months. The Trials FW has 6 pawls, offset, increasing the engagement points to 72! "

The 19 tooth has 36 engagment points. The Trials has 72 and only comes in 18 tooth.

[carnagr]

And the non-trials version will explode, because it isn't nearly as beefy as the trials version.

[Bryan]

:wtc:

[Don Coyote]

Erm, as far as I can tell there's no "beef" difference between the Eno's except the trials one has an extra set of offset pawls. They both engage 3 pawls at a time. Non-trials will not "explode", except due to the same lack of maintenance that would kill a trials version. I used one for a year before the trials version came out, still have it, exactly same bearings etc as the trials eno.

[carnagr]

I'm pretty sure the outer shell on the trials version is a lot thicker/beefier.

[Trialsaddict]

Forgive my ignorance- why?

http://www.webcyclery.com/product.php?productid=16691&cat=249&page=1

I honestly think you'd be much happier spending the money on the trials one. Yes they are the same quality, but not engagement. The price is soo close, what's stopping you?

[Acolyte]

Erm, as far as I can tell there's no "beef" difference between the Eno's except the trials one has an extra set of offset pawls. They both engage 3 pawls at a time. Non-trials will not "explode", except due to the same lack of maintenance that would kill a trials version. I used one for a year before the trials version came out, still have it, exactly same bearings etc as the trials eno.
Trials FW is hardened.

Non trials will explode, I did it myself. WI will also not warranty a regular fw if you use it for trials.

I'm guessing you have a thread on rear cog, since normally you'd just buy a 19t cassette cog. If you have a 5 bolt crank, you could run 20:18 which isn't too bad. It's a little on the easy side, but that's all presonal preference.

[Trialsaddict]

Trials FW is hardened.

Non trials will explode, I did it myself. WI will also not warranty a regular fw if you use it for trials.

Interesting bit of info there. Good to know.


Ok, go trials eno.

[Bryan]

I have a thread on rear hub, a four bolt crank, and limited money. The trials version only comes in 18t. The whole point in getting a new freewheel is to change gear ratio from 22-18 to 22-19.

[Acolyte]

That's what I thought. Only option is an ACS claw in 19t. Should have the same durability 18t ones have, which many people currently use. I'd buy one of those anyways, they're so cheap if you don't like it, you didn't drop hella cash.

I think ACS makes a 19. I'd have to double check.

[Bryan]

They don't. :wtc:

[Don Coyote]

Whups, sorry, these guys are right. Regular ENO 18T = 2.200" O.D., ENO Trials 18T = 2.295" OD, so there is more beef! My bad!

[Acolyte]

What length cranks do you use?

[Trialsaddict]

I might have to double check that on the ACS....I swore they made a 19t...

What about a smaller chain ring up front?

[Bryan]

I can't go smaller, since it's a 4 bolt. I'm currently running 22-18 with 170mm cranks and an ACS claws RFW.

[Acolyte]

You could get 175's and have a similar effect to getting 22:19.

What kind of riding do you do most?

[Bryan]

I think if it came down to getting new cranks I would just go with 170s and 18/16. I do as much natural as I can, and when riding urban I prefer static moves- gaps and surges, etc.

[Acolyte]

I used 18:16 for a while, and it was ok. I definately preferred it to 18:15. However, if you're trying to get close to 22:19, 16:14 is the closest you'll get.

I just thought of this. If you keep your current setup, and get a 24t up front, get a 20t rear fw and it's the same as 18:15, which is a little easier than 22:18, but not quite as easy as 22:19. I know ACS makes a 20t fw.

[dkoppric]

Whups, sorry, these guys are right. Regular ENO 18T = 2.200" O.D., ENO Trials 18T = 2.295" OD, so there is more beef! My bad!

a tenth of an inch isnt something i would say would make a dramatic difference...

[trialsrider50]

i like how guys have run acs claws and shimano freewheels forever but all the sudden if it aint a king or a WI trials, it's not good enough. go for it. just get the WI 19 tooth 36 pt. engagement. it wont last forever but it won't break tomorrow.

p.s. didn't i sell you my old WI or am I going crazy

[Bryan]

p.s. didn't i sell you my old WI or am I going crazy

Haha, yeah, you sold me your old WI, and I think that's what I am going to put on now... As it turns out, the ISIS spline on my current cranks have rounded out and I have to replace them anyways. I'll try 18:16 for a while. I am too afraid to run 16:anything... too young to die.

More engagement would be nice but it's not a big deal... plus I don't understand the complaints about ACS claws. I realize it's anecdotal evidence, but my ACS has been going strong for three years.

[trialsrider50]

yeah the whole "gotta have 72 points is bogus" I hate to admit that I'm running a bmx hub with a whopping 24 points of engagment right now. switching from that 36 pt. freewheel I sold you, I really didn't notice much difference. I really don't think I'd even like 72 points. no room to get some power into your kick. whatever. it's all preferance.

p.s. you haven't even used that freewheel yet? whatever. at least it's clean :D at least it was when i last saw it.

[Acolyte]

it wont last forever but it won't break tomorrow.

I broke mine in a month, and that's really fast for a $90 freewheel.

[anotherfatbastard]

3 years? dahm mine lasts a max of 2 months when I rode regularly, then the outer cage would explode. The shortest lasted 3 gaps then boom, put another one on and boom gone again. I ended up going from a 18:12 to a 20:13 on my mod so it wouldnt break. I went back to a 18:12 with a Wi trials and no problem except for the pawls skipping once in a while.

Well I did strip the pawls off the first week but they warranteed it and told me that I was too strong in my ratcheting and to ease up.

Anyone try a Toxin freewheel yet? I heard that they are the same as ecs but with more eng points