my new custom frame - codename black mamba [Archive]

Cryo-Cube

09-01-2006, 02:29 PM

yo my new frame arrived.
Despite all the bad things i heard about mielec i gave it a try and well, it turned out great.
They did everything like i wanted it. Only thing they dont got right is the hole spacing (from 1 vbrake arm to another). I wanted them 102mm apart and they made it 100. But thats no problem at all since it would have made no difference. The vbrake arms arent sticking out at all.

frame review: the frame is more flickable than my old one. Probably because of the higher BB. Going to backwheel is easier too with 5mm shorter chainstanys (now 380). Frontwheel moves are easier too (higher BB?), its way easier to push to the front wheel from a static position (FW on a higher objekt, pushing up to front)

The special featur is the dual brakesystem mounts. Vbrakes on top, 4bolt magura mounts right under it. If you feel like putting on maggies your brakeline will be protected. A stock booster may dont fit though, havnt tried that out yet, im back to my lovely, slient, locking vees.

1090 long
380 stays
BB +28-30mm

BLACK MAMBA ATTACK

http://misc.todoke.de/mamba_1.jpg

http://misc.todoke.de/mamba_5.jpg

http://misc.todoke.de/mamba_3.jpg

http://misc.todoke.de/mamba_7.jpg

http://misc.todoke.de/mamba_4.jpg

http://misc.todoke.de/mamba_6.jpg

trialsrider50

09-01-2006, 02:47 PM

awesome. love the look. clean, sharp, oh yeah. nokon housing rocks my socks off.

trauma100

09-01-2006, 02:51 PM

good thinkings on the brake mounts... all you missed was a fat rear disc mount to cover all your bases.. looks good! How much moneys?

freeze

09-01-2006, 02:52 PM

very beautiful, but get rid of that red BB7 caliper and SD7 lever(or what is it red on that?

Cryo-Cube

09-01-2006, 03:23 PM

yo
anyone have a pic, or any idea how white levers would look like on a black bike?
hmm i´ll photoshop it to see if white levers would roxozs

toyota200x

09-01-2006, 04:13 PM

That looks very nice. I think I would definatly but a Melic. I love the idea of being able to use both Vee's and Maguras.
Why is there tape wraped like crazy on that crank? The red on the lever and caliper looks a little tacky. :ugh:

RomanC

09-01-2006, 06:00 PM

I think the tape is to keep the broken crank arm together.

Cryo-Cube

09-01-2006, 06:11 PM

yo seriously. The tryall crank snap scared me + i have no moneyz to buy new crank every year. I think it snapped from 488503894 huge n deep scratches caused by failed taps. So i put a layer of hard shoe sole on the side of the new crank and wrapped it with duct tape.

dont care if it look "le gay"

bEavoLa

09-01-2006, 07:44 PM

yo my new frame arrived.
The special featur is the dual brakesystem mounts. Vbrakes on top, 4bolt magura mounts right under it.

http://misc.todoke.de/mamba_7.jpg

DAMN - that's a GREAT idea and should come as an option on most top-end trials rigs!!!

BRILLIANT!:D very sweet ride there Cyro

(p.s. - mind if i copy your idea of the protective strip on the crank-arm? again, it's a bloody good idea!)

bouncingbabyboy

09-01-2006, 08:14 PM

:eek3danc: BIKEGASM.

Youch.

stinkybastard

09-01-2006, 08:21 PM

:eek3danc: BIKEGASM.

Youch.

x2

Diederik

09-01-2006, 08:42 PM

it's a 26" ciguena :D
very nice.

How long did you have to wait for that frame?

bouncingbabyboy

09-01-2006, 09:42 PM

With the four bolt on the botom you could put a v booster on top in place of the v posts and the brake on the bottom. Couldn't you?

jmkeck

09-01-2006, 10:01 PM

That is a great looking bike, I know this is a stupid question, but how did you get it to stand upright for the pictures?

zealot_53

09-01-2006, 11:03 PM

The brake mounts are awesome! Absolutely sexy bike. :bowdown:

Cryo-Cube

09-02-2006, 03:43 AM

With the four bolt on the botom you could put a v booster on top in place of the v posts and the brake on the bottom. Couldn't you?

yes that would work.
btw hoo-haas are so much easier now. again probably because of the moderate bbrise of 30mm.

Cryo-Cube

09-02-2006, 03:51 AM

Cryo-Cube

09-02-2006, 03:55 AM

That is a great looking bike, I know this is a stupid question, but how did you get it to stand upright for the pictures?
look where the tires are, they are leaning against that mini curb. It was very close to falling but it kept standing.

@bEavoLa
The shoe sole to crank has even 2 advantages to it.
1.It sounds and feels totally smooth when you land on your cranks even when screwing up a big pedal-up, the shoe sole absorbs the impact.
2. if you screw up a tap,pedal up or anything else, you dont slip down the edge where you landed. The shoe sole makes you stick on where you landed.
The best way is it to cut a bit of shoe sole, use 3-4 strong zip ties and then a layer of duct tape.

@Diederik
the only thing the bike has in common with the ciguena is the black color and the square tubes in the rear triangle.
I waited about a month from ordering till it arrived.

good thinkings on the brake mounts... all you missed was a fat rear disc mount to cover all your bases.. looks good! How much moneys?

If i had le cash i would probably try dual disc, but im a bum.
320€ incl shipping.

fabian_tonfisk

09-02-2006, 04:56 AM

clean bike! with the pink touch! <3!

RomanC

09-02-2006, 08:08 AM

Running w/o bash?

philth

09-02-2006, 09:10 AM

Hows that Interlocking brake cable working out?? Worth the dollarage??

Cryo-Cube

09-02-2006, 11:50 AM

MIKE1968

09-02-2006, 12:02 PM

Looks beautiful cryo.

aki

09-02-2006, 12:08 PM

Whoa...love where the Magura is mounted...beautiful bike!

goose

09-02-2006, 01:24 PM

I agree, mad props for having double brake mounting options. That is an excellent idea.

If you bust a magura line on a ride, you can just throw on some vees from your car. Fantastic idea.

KMT

09-02-2006, 01:32 PM

you mean the nokon housing?
It works great. Tried it once and never switched back. Its also up to 40% lighter than normal housing too
And you can adjust it like you want (if you cut normal housing then its cut for good, you cant change the lenght anymore. But the nokon can be put back together)
That's the most important part because a normal housing to the rear is about 50g :)
Btw, i love nokon too.

And what about the rockring?

Cryo-Cube

09-02-2006, 02:17 PM

i dont feel like throwing away 30€ for a piece of aluminum.
A friend will get me a homemade one for 10... acutally, he promised it 2 months ago :luke:
Either way, the cool chain can take quite a beating. I rode my bike almost a year without a bash. Just make sure to check your chain after every hit and get a new chain every 3-4 months.

Greg

09-02-2006, 04:23 PM

Great bike Cryo-Cube!!!
Kind of reminds me a bit of the 5.0 RAven.
Btw what the weight of the frame?
And howcome you didn't make the seat tube area a bit lower like on the limey?!
I think the upside down magura mount will really test the weld :)
Ohh and one more tip try putting some spacers behind the plaz pads so the pads will be contacting the rim in about 90 degrees so you can get the best brake power out of them.

Nice bike ;)

Cryo-Cube

09-02-2006, 04:54 PM

i acutally wanted it low like the limey but i didnt provide them a seatube lenght, just a picture of the limey. So i cant blame them. Ithe top tube is still pretty low as you can see it on this pic.
Weight is around ~2.2. I dont know it precisely, i just calculated it from the difference between the postal package weight and the package itself.
I put in heatsinks today, so the pad angle already changed.

http://misc.todoke.de/mamba_1.jpg

KMT

09-02-2006, 04:56 PM

I think the upside down magura mount will really test the weld :)

Just like if it would be on the other side :)

The brake power will be better when the wheel turns backwards, and worse when forward.

bouncingbabyboy

09-02-2006, 11:49 PM

Where did you buy the frame? Direct from MFG?

Peace

09-03-2006, 12:02 AM

riser bars would make that bike look and feel a lot better :) you tried risers before?

mcdub

09-03-2006, 12:15 AM

Nice to hear they got pretty much everything correct.

ronan_zj

09-03-2006, 12:51 AM

I am just wondering if there is enough space to setup magura brake?
maybe need some special hex wrench?

mcdub

09-03-2006, 12:55 AM

I am just wondering if there is enough space to setup magura brake?
maybe need some special hex wrench?

???????

If you mean not enough room to bolt it down with a tool.

Wel there is more the enough.

ronan_zj

09-03-2006, 01:02 AM

it looks hard for me

mcdub

09-03-2006, 01:03 AM

it looks hard for me

:ugh2:

Peace

09-03-2006, 02:11 AM

just flip the friggin bike upside down.... not too hard at all...

rav

09-03-2006, 04:48 AM

AgrAde

09-03-2006, 05:29 AM

4bolts is too close to BB and by Crank arm shape, magura calliper will hit crank arm.

eggzachary what i was thinking :wtc: you had the same problem when designing some of your frames, right rav?

Cryo-Cube

09-03-2006, 05:36 AM

Cryo-Cube

You had excellent idea about second 4bolts mount but unfortunately It wont works.

4bolts is too close to BB and by Crank arm shape, magura calliper will hit crank arm.

I'm supprise that Mielec don't screw up Your drawing ideas...99% local riders bought from them only once, and never back to them by wrong dimension...like BB 10mm too hight, WB +-10 etc...they never keeps dimensions right.

I tried it and they fit. I run a dx32 though. It probably wouldn´t work with one of the big trials rims.

RT Wolf

09-03-2006, 10:12 AM

Dude, DOUBLE BRAKES. Put on some V's AND Maggies. Double the stopping power! Stop a rhino dead in its tracks I'd bet.

Nice bike.

carnagr

09-03-2006, 10:44 AM

I REALLY doubt your frame is 2.2 pounds. If by ~ you meant within 3 pounds, then maybe.

i acutally wanted it low like the limey but i didnt provide them a seatube lenght, just a picture of the limey. So i cant blame them. Ithe top tube is still pretty low as you can see it on this pic.
Weight is around ~2.2. I dont know it precisely, i just calculated it from the difference between the postal package weight and the package itself.
I put in heatsinks today, so the pad angle already changed.

http://misc.todoke.de/mamba_1.jpg

Giant1118

09-03-2006, 11:47 AM

Im sure he meant kg because thats how stuff should be measured

crater38

09-03-2006, 06:28 PM

Cryo-Cube

You had excellent idea about second 4bolts mount but unfortunately It wont works.

4bolts is too close to BB and by Crank arm shape, magura calliper will hit crank arm.

I'm supprise that Mielec don't screw up Your drawing ideas...99% local riders bought from them only once, and never back to them by wrong dimension...like BB 10mm too hight, WB +-10 etc...they never keeps dimensions right.
Heve you ever tried to build up custom? All I can hear from you is just dirty words. :barf:
rav 3
rav 4
rav 5
Please comments on those frames:p (place of building, material etc)

trialnega

09-03-2006, 09:25 PM

smart and beautiful

ronan_zj

09-07-2006, 10:02 AM

Heve you ever tried to build up custom? All I can hear from you is just dirty words. :barf:
rav 3
rav 4
rav 5
Please comments on those frames:p (place of building, material etc)

hey, I have a comment.
do u think that HS33 mount is a ideal design?
if we setup HS33 in that position, I believe it is very easy to mess up the bolt and the screw thread

Cryo-Cube

09-07-2006, 03:07 PM

what? are you serious?
If you´re able to ride a bike, you should be able to set up maguras up side down without destroying threads

Matty

09-08-2006, 10:26 AM

HEY! Nice bike man. I love the nokon housing. Looks tidy

~matty :)

rav

09-08-2006, 11:06 AM

Heve you ever tried to build up custom? All I can hear from you is just dirty words. :barf:
rav 3
rav 4
rav 5
Please comments on those frames:p (place of building, material etc)

Place of building:
Garage
Material:
PA38

P.S. Frame generally looks realy fine will last around 6 months for sure...then you will see small crack between top and down tube joint at head tube area.

GAZZZAloddi

09-08-2006, 04:12 PM

Cryo-Cube

09-08-2006, 04:21 PM

i hope it doesnt fall apart after only 6 months :noes:

Ruler

09-09-2006, 10:41 AM

...riders bought from them only once, and never back to them by wrong dimension...

WORD! ;-)

aka Mr Floyd

09-09-2006, 10:53 AM

Before everyone gets too excited about the magura mounts...

You have to realize that running the magura mounts on the bottom means that now every time you lock the brakes (if running the maguras) all the force is transfered to the frame via the tension of the mounting bolts (effectively trying to strip the bolts out of the frame). They weren't designed to run that way and I wouldn't recomend it for anything other than a short term thing (like a couple rides while you're fixing your other brake setup?).

Otherwise, the bike looks sweet.

Todd

Cryo-Cube

09-09-2006, 06:28 PM

Sorry i think you´re wrong. It wont stress the mounts more.

every time you lock the brakes (if running the maguras) all the force is transfered to the frame via the tension of the mounting bolts (effectively trying to strip the bolts out of the frame)
No it depends which direction the wheel is spinning.
When putting the mounts upside down it just reverses the force.

with normal mounts. if you brake while your wheel is turning backwards the brakes will transfer the force as you described it.
With flipped mounts, the same thing applys when the wheel is turning the opposite direction.

aka Mr Floyd

09-09-2006, 06:45 PM

No it depends which direction the wheel is spinning.
When putting the mounts upside down it just reverses the force.

with normal mounts. if you brake while your wheel is turning backwards the brakes will transfer the force as you described it.
With flipped mounts, the same thing applys when the wheel is turning the opposite direction.

Yes, true. Occasionally when riding trials you may hop backwards and put a pretty good stress on the bolts in tension, but this is occasionally. Most times you are gapping forwards, hopping forwards, taping forwards, etc., which is stopping the wheel from rotating forwards just like most bikes. The mounts are designed to take a compressive force with the bolts only holding them in position as this is generally what they are asked to do.

So to clarify, I'm not saying they are going to immediately fail, but running them backwards will put more stress on the aluminum threads in the frame and make them fail sooner.

If I had designed the maguras to run that way, I would have used a larger bolt... Not because the steel bolt will fail (steel bolts can take a shitload of tensile force) but because I would want to distribute the stresses over a larger area of the weaker aluminum threads.

Make sense?

Todd

dingus

09-09-2006, 06:54 PM

BenR

09-09-2006, 07:13 PM

i hope it doesnt fall apart after only 6 months :noes:

Ive had mine for about 10 months and by no means am I a smooth rider.

Juhan

09-09-2006, 07:33 PM

there are shitloads of mielecs in estonia and only one or two have cracked so far as much as i know. might be wrong tho. don't get me wrong - i had a mielec street frame that had a completely crap headangle and the chainstays were off by 1 cm, but still they aren't the weakest frames around.

Cryo-Cube

09-09-2006, 07:54 PM

Yes, true. Occasionally when riding trials you may hop backwards and put a pretty good stress on the bolts in tension, but this is occasionally. Most times you are gapping forwards, hopping forwards, taping forwards, etc., which is stopping the wheel from rotating forwards just like most bikes.
Todd
Look what dingus wrote, thats what i think too. You rarely put a lot of stress when braking while going forwards (hopping, gapping) unless you´re crazy like Neil Tuni, Craig l Scott and others.

Occasionally when riding trials you may hop backwards and put a pretty good stress on the bolts in tension, but this is occasionally. Its not occaisonally, its almost as much as the forward braking.
Every time you up something bad/barely make it up, or dont make it at all, youare stressing your mounts with that said backward rotation.
When im practicing taps for instance i put this backward stress dozens and dozens of times on my brake on 1 ride, when i dont make it up, or barely hit the edge going up

Look at this felix video. http://romanr.observedtrials.net/videos/cableisbetterthanoil.mpg
i would say this happens on every ride dozens of times and it puts more stress on the mounts then 99% of all forward braking occasions.

So what im saying is. No, its not occaisonally, you put the backward stress dozens of times every day on your mounts AND, not only that. Most of the time this backward braking occainson abuse your mounts more than the forward braking occaisons like doing normal gaps, hopping forwards, taping forwards,

Conclusion = flipping the mounts will do nothing to them, if the backward force would be that dangerous to the mounts, it would destroy them on normal frames with mounts that face upwards too (which it doesnt)... so its save

trialsrider50

09-09-2006, 10:41 PM

Yes, true. Occasionally when riding trials you may hop backwards and put a pretty good stress on the bolts in tension, but this is occasionally. Most times you are gapping forwards, hopping forwards, taping forwards, etc., which is stopping the wheel from rotating forwards just like most bikes. The mounts are designed to take a compressive force with the bolts only holding them in position as this is generally what they are asked to do.

So to clarify, I'm not saying they are going to immediately fail, but running them backwards will put more stress on the aluminum threads in the frame and make them fail sooner.

If I had designed the maguras to run that way, I would have used a larger bolt... Not because the steel bolt will fail (steel bolts can take a shitload of tensile force) but because I would want to distribute the stresses over a larger area of the weaker aluminum threads.

Make sense?

Todd

if all that is true then why do disc tabs work porely. if forward motion was the biggest concern we wouldn't have a problem with discs. but most trials moves required the most locking pressure to prevent spinning backwards. That's why disc tabs tear off. I've never had my brake not lock enough going forward. It's always lacking when keeping the tire from moving backwards.

free_rideman

09-09-2006, 10:52 PM

And not only that, but some maguras run on front forks. And a front wheel being stopped by a reversed magura is a lot of force! So they can handle it. It is the clearance issue that I am interested in.

Iolo bikes does this same thing, and it seems to work. But it could be because the frames aren't as small. The rear triangle that is.

BrettM

09-10-2006, 12:21 AM

With the Magura issue you would probably have to use a pretty wide bb to clear the Magura cylinders. I don't know how deep the threads go but I would run custom cut bolts that let you use every single mm you can. It probably won't be an issue, but you may want to be safe.

The reason rear disk frames fail has little to do with which way the force is going and more to with design. Most companies fail from a flimsy little off the shelf dropout. It just can't handle the tremendous stress. If the piece where the caliper bolts is thick enough then the stress goes into the frame. At this point you need a seat stay that is extra thick to handle this stress. Forward or backwards.

aka Mr Floyd

09-10-2006, 10:43 AM

So what im saying is. No, its not occaisonally, you put the backward stress dozens of times every day on your mounts AND, not only that. Most of the time this backward braking occainson abuse your mounts more than the forward braking occaisons like doing normal gaps, hopping forwards, taping forwards,

To clarify, I'm not saying the magura brake mounts are going to explode if you ride them... I'm just saying it's not the way they were meant to be and it is going to put alot more stress on the bolts which means it will fail sooner.... Without alot of testing and FEA and knowing youre style of riding, it could be a difference of the brakes will fail in 9 years instead of 12 years which means it's really not much of an issue. Or it could be that they will fail in 6 months... I don't know. You have the prototype, throw those suckers on and get back to me on how they last.

As far as arguing that we put as much or more stress on our brake mounts in reverse as we do forwards... I still think you're smoking crack. Yes at times we put backward forces on our brakes (we're trials riders and we ask our bikes to do weird shit), but think about this: Every time you stand on your pedals and your bike doesn't move forward that's a stress in a forward direction. Same with, pedal kicking, taking off and landing gaps (especially landing gaps), landing drops. Some of those are some pretty good impact forces as well. Now most of us do not spend as much time fighting to keep our bike from going backwards and when we do it is just like that felix video where once he lands he then has to be hard on the brakes to keep the bike from rolling back off the edge (a fairly light force compared to landing a standard gap between flats). The only time I can think of someone actually putting a large impact force backward on their brakes is when (you see the pros do it alot in competitions) you go for a big up, don't make it, and to keep from putting your foot down you do a big lurch backwards to backwheel.

So, take Brett's recomendation to run the longest bolts possible, hook those babies up and let's see how they run...

Todd

aka Mr Floyd

09-10-2006, 10:46 AM

if all that is true then why do disc tabs work porely. if forward motion was the biggest concern we wouldn't have a problem with discs. but most trials moves required the most locking pressure to prevent spinning backwards. That's why disc tabs tear off. I've never had my brake not lock enough going forward. It's always lacking when keeping the tire from moving backwards.

This is a totally different issue. Put a disk tab on upside down and it's still going to work better forward than in reverse (depending on the design you might get the tab to fail sooner, but performance wise forward would still be better). If you don't understand why, that's a different thread. Start with seeing Brett's post above.

Todd

aka Mr Floyd

09-10-2006, 10:51 AM

yeah, but...
When do we ever trasmit real force through the mounts going forward. The most you'll ever ask of a brake is when you barely make it up something and the wheel wants to turn backwards, as in every time we up high.

You need to rethink this...

I can keep myself from rolling back off an obstacle by putting pressure on my forward pedal, in fact that is probably what felix is mostly doing in that vid.

Try a forward gap, a drop, or a pedal kick without your rear brake and get back to me on which way you fall. If you fall on your face, you're right. If you fall on your ass, I'm right.

Todd

decline

09-10-2006, 12:18 PM

That is a great looking bike, I know this is a stupid question, but how did you get it to stand upright for the pictures?

keep in mind this is a sport of balance...some people think its the rider that keeps the bike up. its the rider that puts the bike down...the bike wants to be up!

BrettM

09-10-2006, 12:19 PM

I did some more thinking on this and I think everyone is getting a little too carried away.

I don't think it will be an issue at all anymore. If anything, depending on your riding style I think a regular mount could be worse. I'm gonna go with a large gap being the most stressful on a regular mount and a back hop off a fucked up attempt at say a big up to rear being the most stressful on this bikes upside down mount.

With the big forward gap the bike is gonna be at a worse angle to try to rip those bolts out of the frame than it will be off that up attempt. Plus with screw up on the up you probably aren't locking the brakes fully. Even if you are there is probably less force anyways and less of it pulling the brake clean out of the threads.

I'm gonna go with you are gonna be fine. Except the mounts are probably too low and you are gonna be kicking the cylinders and what not if you ever went to use them.

dingus

09-10-2006, 11:11 PM

You need to rethink this...
Todd I think I speak for us all when I say: sorry for ya.
really, Im sorry, not trying to be an ass.

crater38

09-11-2006, 04:02 AM

Place of building:
Garage
Material:
PA38

P.S. Frame generally looks realy fine will last around 6 months for sure...then you will see small crack between top and down tube joint at head tube area.
Actually I had never seen broken Mielec. If anyone got some info about it please post it here.
I did terrible tortures with my CMR Mielec frame. There wasn't even hint about cracks or smth. Soon I'll try to fit out my CMR2. I'll post some stuff for you to see what am i talking about.

felix

09-11-2006, 04:56 AM

Actually I had never seen broken Mielec. If anyone got some info about it please post it here.
I did terrible tortures with my CMR Mielec frame. There wasn't even hint about cracks or smth. Soon I'll try to fit out my CMR2. I'll post some stuff for you to see what am i talking about. http://www.observedtrials.net/otn3/crack.jpg
By the way I'm fat and not riding smooth at all.

one track

09-11-2006, 05:57 AM

:bowrofl: @ people thinking that braking will cause the threads to be torn out of the frame.

crater38

09-11-2006, 06:33 AM

http://www.observedtrials.net/otn3/crack.jpg
By the way I'm fat and not riding smooth at all.
Was that joke or smth?:hahano:

rav

09-13-2006, 05:57 PM

Actually I had never seen broken Mielec. If anyone got some info about it please post it here.
I did terrible tortures with my CMR Mielec frame. There wasn't even hint about cracks or smth. Soon I'll try to fit out my CMR2. I'll post some stuff for you to see what am i talking about.

If you wanted I can upload around 20 broken mielec at that place pics are from Polish biketrial forum.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3888/mielec1hi0.jpg

tomacropod

09-13-2006, 06:02 PM

lol. Eastern Europe does battle again!

- Joel

crater38

09-15-2006, 03:02 AM

If you wanted I can upload around 20 broken mielec at that place pics are from Polish biketrial forum.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3888/mielec1hi0.jpg
Ok Rav. Please tell me what your frames are made of now? I mean material.
And one shouldn't worry about all that cracks. We give 12 months guaranty. We'll never break that rule. May be we'll raise it.

mcdub

09-15-2006, 03:11 AM

funny thing mielic and bt are made in the same factory rofl

rav

09-15-2006, 07:36 AM

funny thing mielic and bt are made in the same factory rofl

WHAT ? LOL...we've never bought from shity Mielec. This Fucking garage company only copy our products.

rav

09-15-2006, 07:39 AM

Ok Rav. Please tell me what your frames are made of now?

Do you need my CreditCard numer and PIN as well ?

WE ARE NOT CONNECTED WITH FUCKING MIELEC AT ALL

tomacropod

09-15-2006, 08:11 AM

oh my fucking :rofl: haha tears :bowrofl:

- Joel

madbiker66

09-16-2006, 09:59 AM

Lollerskates :bowdown:

Ali C

09-16-2006, 01:07 PM

To clarify, I'm not saying the magura brake mounts are going to explode if you ride them... I'm just saying it's not the way they were meant to be and it is going to put alot more stress on the bolts which means it will fail sooner.... Without alot of testing and FEA and knowing youre style of riding, it could be a difference of the brakes will fail in 9 years instead of 12 years which means it's really not much of an issue. Or it could be that they will fail in 6 months... I don't know. You have the prototype, throw those suckers on and get back to me on how they last.

As far as arguing that we put as much or more stress on our brake mounts in reverse as we do forwards... I still think you're smoking crack. Yes at times we put backward forces on our brakes (we're trials riders and we ask our bikes to do weird shit), but think about this: Every time you stand on your pedals and your bike doesn't move forward that's a stress in a forward direction. Same with, pedal kicking, taking off and landing gaps (especially landing gaps), landing drops. Some of those are some pretty good impact forces as well. Now most of us do not spend as much time fighting to keep our bike from going backwards and when we do it is just like that felix video where once he lands he then has to be hard on the brakes to keep the bike from rolling back off the edge (a fairly light force compared to landing a standard gap between flats). The only time I can think of someone actually putting a large impact force backward on their brakes is when (you see the pros do it alot in competitions) you go for a big up, don't make it, and to keep from putting your foot down you do a big lurch backwards to backwheel.

So, take Brett's recomendation to run the longest bolts possible, hook those babies up and let's see how they run...

Todd

I am from opposite land and I agree with you fully:greddy:

GAZZZAloddi

09-16-2006, 02:10 PM

funny thing mielic and bt are made in the same factory rofl

The older BT's were made there. The 5.0, 6.0 and 7.0 are of the different origin. Can't you see by the quality of welds and by the finish? I would never bother comparing the modern BT's to Mielecs. They are from two different planets.

Cryo-Cube

09-16-2006, 02:23 PM

I would never bother comparing the modern BT's to Mielecs. They are from two different planets.

Like Superman and Batman? But they are still friends :gaybar:
I hope this thread does not result in some HCORE driveby shootings
BT bloods vs Mielec crips NGA

Yeah the fighting in this thread reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU5QxzqFYnw

crater38

09-18-2006, 01:25 AM

No comments.

Sondre

09-18-2006, 08:47 AM

omgzomgzomgzomgzomgzomgzomgzomgzomgzomgz

woozy_

09-18-2006, 09:06 AM

it's BT 4.0 or 5.0?

crater38

09-18-2006, 09:25 AM

it's BT 4.0 or 5.0?
5.0

GAZZZAloddi

09-18-2006, 01:00 PM

Probably there had been a few types of 5.0
The late 5.0 are definitely from another factory.

rav

09-18-2006, 01:26 PM

There is not to comment. Mielec is the worst frame manufacturer we have ever met, they produced some samples for us two years ago...after seen low quality and bad copy they offered to Eastern Countrys we closed cooperation completely. WE ARE NOT CONNECTED WITH THIS LAMERS AT ALL.

tomacropod

09-18-2006, 07:49 PM

oh my :rofl: Polish people are awesome. Seriously.

- Joel

trialsrider50

09-19-2006, 10:52 AM

I love what this thread has turned into.

gHosT

09-20-2006, 12:08 PM

Rav, you're so old and so st....,you behave like a child from a primary school who cannot be objective. Can't you sell your frames in a clear way, without unfair competition? Is it too much for you? BikePol has been receiving a lot of your broken frames and if they were malicious they would post here some photos as you did, but what for? You're simply afraid of clear competiton that's why you say such things...The only possibility when BikePol may do sth not exactly the same as a buyer would like it to be is when the buyer gives unclear measurements->his/her fault, not BikePol's. You'd better consider what you're thinking of before publishing it, because it speaks for itself ,telling us how pathetic you are. BikePol respects you as a competitor and does not try to fight against you in any way. I don't understand why can't you do the same? Everyone is allowed to present his/her opinion (positive/nagative) but there's one major rule-TRUTH... I may only advise you to give the real facts (not the imaginary once, which probably you would like them to be true, but they're not) in order to present yourself as an honest seller and producer of your own frames. In other way, you won't be a trustworthy representant of your company, and you're going to be so...

rav

09-20-2006, 03:34 PM

BikePol has been receiving a lot of your broken frames and if they were malicious they would post here some photos as you did, but what for?

Yes indeed at 2003-2004 when we cooperated with mielec, but now we have end of 2006!. We've changed production plant, production method, material, desing etc.. at middle of 2005 when publish first BT RAVen 6.0.

The problem is that You are talking about products TWO years old. BT 2003, BT 2004 and small batch at begining of 2005. You are still thinking that BT and Mielec is connected but in FACT we are NOT from TWO Years.

There is no way to show broken BT 5.0, BT 6.0 because we closed our shop to Polish market and start sales out of Poland only. You can show some broken BT 2003 but this is nonsens ....like showing broken MONTY 221 square tubes from 2000 while they offer MONTY 221 Ti which is totally redesigned frame and produced at different plant..same as BT

If someone showing frame from same material, same quality as we had 2 Year ago, we exactly know in which point this frame could crack...thats my comment about this black mamba frame.

BikePol respects you as a competitor and does not try to fight against you in any way. I don't understand why can't you do the same? Everyone is allowed to present his/her opinion (positive/nagative) but there's one major rule-TRUTH... I
We would like to respect Bikepol but we can't because they still copy our ideas and other manufacturer ideas like RB slovakia, ZOO, Heatsink etc.. olso if someone wanted buy mielec frames they tell that they produce for BT and quality is same as BT...but in fact we are not connected with them from TWO Years and quality is not same... We will respect this company when they start produce own desing frame. Not other brand copy only.

You are soo Young same as crater38 (http://member.php?u=5264) so I wish both of You GOOD LUCK with Mielec and hope they don't fool You as they did BT two Years ago.

tomacropod

09-20-2006, 07:58 PM

*popcorn*

- Joel

Giant1118

09-20-2006, 09:57 PM

in.

rush

09-20-2006, 11:03 PM

*popcorn*

- Joel

http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/drama.gif

:)

trialsrider50

09-21-2006, 07:54 PM

now's where I decide to come in and fuel the fires a little.
Hey, Hey dude! I know what you mean about the jelly (trials frames) tell this twat (bike manufacturer) to get some jelly. Get the jelly TWAT!

ChrisB

09-21-2006, 11:31 PM

that looks amazing.

crater38

09-22-2006, 02:20 AM

Yes indeed at 2003-2004 when we cooperated with mielec, but now we have end of 2006!. We've changed production plant, production method, material, desing etc.. at middle of 2005 when publish first BT RAVen 6.0.

The problem is that You are talking about products TWO years old. BT 2003, BT 2004 and small batch at begining of 2005. You are still thinking that BT and Mielec is connected but in FACT we are NOT from TWO Years.

There is no way to show broken BT 5.0, BT 6.0 because we closed our shop to Polish market and start sales out of Poland only. You can show some broken BT 2003 but this is nonsens ....like showing broken MONTY 221 square tubes from 2000 while they offer MONTY 221 Ti which is totally redesigned frame and produced at different plant..same as BT

If someone showing frame from same material, same quality as we had 2 Year ago, we exactly know in which point this frame could crack...thats my comment about this black mamba frame.

We would like to respect Bikepol but we can't because they still copy our ideas and other manufacturer ideas like RB slovakia, ZOO, Heatsink etc.. olso if someone wanted buy mielec frames they tell that they produce for BT and quality is same as BT...but in fact we are not connected with them from TWO Years and quality is not same... We will respect this company when they start produce own desing frame. Not other brand copy only.

You are soo Young same as crater38 (http://member.php?u=5264) so I wish both of You GOOD LUCK with Mielec and hope they don't fool You as they did BT two Years ago.

Do your business. Don't be so angry because of money (sure that you don't have another thoughts in your mind). I mean if someone buys Mielec and after advises friend do the same-- please give some respect to his opinion. I had never tried to catch BT customer and to change his mind.
About thing you said about me "soo Young same as crater38"
I'm 21 year old. Ii my age I studying, working to pay for studying and for my life (I live alone), working with Mielec, and ride at night like about from 22-00 till 0-00 as there's no time to ride for mi in day time.
So one more time: DO YOUR BUSINESS Rav. You started all that dirty things. It'll last as long as you want.

Sergey