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chronic
07-12-2006, 06:51 PM
Hey guys, I did search a bit. Only found info on a king classic.

I kind of guessed the length of my current spokes, But I want to rebuild my wheel with proper length after...how many months.

Anybody know the length of spokes I need for an echo rim on a chris king iso disk?

Sorry for the question, spare me the bullshit, thanks :bigthumb:
epock7
07-12-2006, 07:31 PM
You already have the wheel built up? If threads aren't showing and the spokes aren't coming through the nipples, then they are the right length. :)
You can go to dtswiss.com and use their spoke calculator. Just enter in your ERD because they don't have the echo rim
chronic
07-12-2006, 11:30 PM
See I dont even know what erd stands for nor what it measures on the rim.

I can build my own rim. But I dont know what length I need. Didn't even think of dtswiss.com because everytime I've tried calculating lengths on that stupid site it came up with some retarded length that would only work on a road bike rim or something.

Some body must have laced their own... Any body!
rush
07-12-2006, 11:34 PM
Damnit, I could give you the length for a DX32 King classic, but for anything else I cant help. Sorry.
tamu
07-13-2006, 01:19 AM
when i built my rim, I looked at the manufacturs website for the info to put in dtswiss calculator!

the (surly)hub was easy, but i bet they have a king in the list..

you just need to find the echo rim, and erd edr whatever that is, im sure you can look up the definition somewhere.. better yet, im sure you could find the measurement first..
tomacropod
07-13-2006, 01:31 AM
I measured the ERD of the echo rim to be 548mm. (ERD is the effective rim diameter, the distance from one nipple seat inside the rim to the opposite nipple seat)

With a King ISO, 32h 3x I get 266mm left and 264mm right (rounded up)

with 36h 3x I get 262 left and 260 right (also rounded).

I recommend DT champion or competition spokes with DT brass nipples - use a decent spoke key and make sure you put a bit of grease on both the nipple seat and the spoke threads. This will make the build far easier and the tension easier to gauge.

have a nice life.

- Joel
thetart20
07-13-2006, 03:38 AM
With a King ISO, 32h 3x I get 266mm left and 264mm right (rounded up)

with 36h 3x I get 262 left and 260 right (also rounded).
Seconded :coold: Except the Echo rims only come in 32h, so that makes it nice and easy!

Adam
tomacropod
07-13-2006, 05:09 AM
GODDAMMIT I KNEW YOU WOULDN'T LET ME HAVE IT. FUCKING ENGLISH.

- Joel
thetart20
07-13-2006, 05:42 AM
At least I was wrong about the Facing Tool :p
stocktrials
07-13-2006, 07:54 AM
on a side note.. hey joel i learnt how to build wheels!!! :) my first wheel was my own, i learnt at work

then i built a tubeless disc rear wheel. that was harder

but anyway wooo
chronic
07-13-2006, 08:12 AM
Wicked, thank you.
tomacropod
07-13-2006, 07:50 PM
on a side note.. hey joel i learnt how to build wheels!!! :) my first wheel was my own, i learnt at work

then i built a tubeless disc rear wheel. that was harder

but anyway wooo

sweet - with at least one hundred wheels behind me I still don't get wheelbuilding jobs at work.

- Joel
rush
07-13-2006, 07:53 PM
Scott C laced mine for me. All I did was tension it. It took me about 5 minutes and it was perfect, another 2 minutes of truing and it was done. Dished perfectly too. :run:

I dont know how I did it. :eek3:
chronic
07-13-2006, 08:13 PM
Scott C laced mine for me. All I did was tension it. It took me about 5 minutes and it was perfect, another 2 minutes of truing and it was done. Dished perfectly too. :run:

I dont know how I did it. :eek3:


Isn't it obvious...


You're a fucking god!!:bowdown: or something...near too?
rush
07-13-2006, 08:19 PM
:rofl:

I bet my next one looks like an anus.
tomacropod
07-13-2006, 10:59 PM
cat's bum wheels?

- Joel
Acolyte
07-14-2006, 11:47 PM
With a King ISO, 32h 3x I get 266mm left and 264mm right (rounded up)

with 36h 3x I get 262 left and 260 right (also rounded).



He has a classic hub, not an ISO, right?

Recalculate?
chronic
07-15-2006, 04:15 PM
No man, I said I found a thread with the lengths here for a classic. I have an iso.

Got the spokes...now if I can build a wheel like I did for my friend. I will be happy.

I perhaps got a little too drunk durring my first echo wheel build. Bloody echo brings out the worst in me.
tomacropod
07-16-2006, 03:09 AM
with the echo, go a little lower in spoke tension than you would with another rim. Try 100kgf if you measure, or know what it feels like. They seem to have some tension-related failures which are fucked. One of my builds fucked up because of the rim wall collapsing on an echo rim. Pissed off.

- Joel