View Full Version : New Onza Limey 2 frame!
Chris
07-11-2006, 04:59 PM
Saw it on Trials-forum.co.uk
Available at the end of August.
What's up with that disc mount? :ugh2: Weak...
http://83.170.72.216/~trials/gallery/1151598641/gallery_790_93_22479.jpg
http://83.170.72.216/~trials/gallery/1151598641/gallery_790_93_16803.jpg
http://83.170.72.216/~trials/gallery/1151598641/gallery_790_93_18775.jpg
http://83.170.72.216/~trials/gallery/1151598641/gallery_790_93_36792.jpg
TTownJon
07-11-2006, 05:07 PM
I dig the woodman look. hopefully its stronger.
Whats up with the headtube - some new form of zero-stack?
Jonathan
videoboy
07-11-2006, 06:00 PM
:barf:
chrishayton
07-11-2006, 06:16 PM
headtube is just 1/8th but has a steel re-enforcing ring. i dislike the new frame, looked better before, hardly a new frame though, just welded new side plates on.
WhiteRavenKS
07-11-2006, 06:18 PM
steel rings are supposed to prevent ovalization? you can still deform the alloy inside the ring though perhaps? im asking seriously- not a wise ass comment , maybe tarty or some one can give me the story.
modtire
07-11-2006, 06:39 PM
The aluminum can still deform inside, but the steel with higher strength on the outside will make it much harder for the aluminum to deflect far enough to cause permanent deformation. Its not like jello inside the steel, it will take a good amount and if it is press fit on there the ring will provide a compressive stress to combat this, like a serious shot peening. It looks like a good idea to me. Here's an experiment to try take an old jelly jar with a metal lid on it and hit it (not super hard) against something. Now try without the lid on. Then get a dust pan.
Just in case anyone wants to get in it with me about this, I will admit I could be wrong here, but I am sitting in the materials and processing department at Boeing right now, so I'm borderline creadible.
hello?
07-12-2006, 12:14 AM
the old ones have the same disc tabs
probably just factory dropouts and they didnt feel like getting ones without discs.
I think also that its one of the stupidest ideas to put a big headtube on these frames when there designed to be so light and such thin tubing.
Anyone know if the dowtube is any thicker?
Stikman
07-12-2006, 12:41 AM
I think you're pretty much spot on there Modtire.
To put it more simply, the steel rings will stop the headtube from flaring. Which is good.
Wanna hook up a Kiwi with a job at Boeing??
Peace
07-12-2006, 01:04 AM
what the fuck is the point of those side plates?! what do they do apart from add weight.... dont say "makes it stiffer" that rear end looks plenty fuckin stiff!
Peace
Peace
07-12-2006, 01:06 AM
hahahahahaahaha is it just my dirty mind or does the top tube and seat tube joint/weld look like something... :hsugh: :rofl:
edit: for those who dont know what im talking about....
mcdub
07-12-2006, 01:21 AM
Allready the stay yokes are bulky enough.Can someone tell me wat the plates well do other then add weight.
Edit just realised peace wrote the exact same thing.
WhiteRavenKS
07-12-2006, 01:28 AM
peace... i dont get it. you should like, draw up a diagram. with details.
i know it's not a pan of jello inside the steel rings. but you can compress alu easier than steel, couldnt you just compress the alu part still within the steel bit? that's what im meaning to ask. i've not ovalized a head tube in some time, i usually do in headsets long before that becomes an issue. i was just thinking the steel rings add weight when a thick ass aluminum headtube could have maybe been strong enough at less weight/cost. or im wrong, i dont know- that's why im asking.
Juhan
07-12-2006, 01:30 AM
oh my god a blowjob ? :D
Peace
07-12-2006, 01:30 AM
im hope your lying kev.....
THE SEAT TUBE IS GIVING HEAD TO THE TOP TUBE!!! the weld looks like lips..... anybody! please.... maybe its just aussies that get it cos aykay just pissed himself.
Peace
WhiteRavenKS
07-12-2006, 01:32 AM
seriously... diagram, detailed schematics. this is my serious face (im pointing at my serious face but you cant see it over the webs), im being 100% serious.
Peace
07-12-2006, 01:38 AM
I guess its a lot harder to compress alloy than it would be to ovalise the whole head tube....? But you coudl be right there kev..... could be as good an idea as those cnc side panels...
Peace
:rofl: @ description of seriousness
Stikman
07-12-2006, 02:10 AM
I don't see the point either.
A lot of companies just machine their head tubes and leave rings around the top and bottom of the ht. This does the same job with less weight.
I don't think you are likely to flare a ht unless you are rocking a bent steerer for a while.
lucky13
07-12-2006, 02:11 AM
You can't even begin to fathom the "seriousness".
... Then get a dust pan.
:hahano: Oh,.. that's glass in my socks...
Looks cool to me, but I'd have to agree,.. why the plates? It's not like the maguras need any more stability off of a cnc block mount right?
Oh well, looks nice over all. Who distributes them in N.A.
Chris
07-12-2006, 04:51 AM
lol @Peace's dirty mind... When analyzing trials parts, the first thing he's looking for is: holes!
Here's another one to stimulate your mind :ugh:
http://biketrial-germany.de/shop/bt_fork_f5_1.jpg
mistri@l
07-12-2006, 05:29 AM
hahahahahaahaha is it just my dirty mind or does the top tube and seat tube joint/weld look like something... :hsugh: :rofl:
edit: for those who dont know what im talking about....
danm look at them lips on that ebony honey
trialsn
07-12-2006, 07:29 AM
i am not diggin those cnc'd parts where the seat stay is
zealot_53
07-12-2006, 01:37 PM
I don't like the look of that toptube. The frame looks like it could collapse downward at any moment.
lol @Peace's dirty mind... When analyzing trials parts, the first thing he's looking for is: holes!
Here's another one to stimulate your mind :ugh:
http://biketrial-germany.de/shop/bt_fork_f5_1.jpg
blue star :naughty:
hello?
07-12-2006, 02:43 PM
I heard that Stan's bike broke on the seat tube where it attaches to the frame so that could be part of the reason.
Or antoher is that when you press down on one side of the crank and watch the frame flex it twists a LOT so they could be to make that a little stiffer.
WhiteRavenKS
07-12-2006, 04:22 PM
I don't like the look of that toptube. The frame looks like it could collapse downward at any moment
thankfully people who build bikes go by more than e-engineering looks. usually.
thetart20
07-12-2006, 04:26 PM
Ooh, I missed this...
Danny used to drive 2 hours each way to get his wheels built here - the back end of the frame was flexing enough to make his brake rub unless his wheels were bang on... So, the wings were born and the frame is much stiffer now.
As for the head tube thing - I think the steel 'outserts' would have been better as inserts, but hey, its up to Onza. All I know is that Danny regularly goes through 8mm thick custom made alloy steerers and hasn't flared a head tube yet...
I quite like it, I think the blowjob toptube needs patenting, haha.
Adam
i dont know anyone who with a properly fitted headset hatt has ever flared a head tube.
lucky13
07-13-2006, 02:50 AM
Now if they were only available in the states minus the shipping expenses. Oh well. Not the first bike I wanted to buy from tarty.
mcdub
07-13-2006, 02:59 AM
Tart makes enything look more then good.
thetart20
07-13-2006, 03:27 AM
i dont know anyone who with a properly fitted headset hatt has ever flared a head tube.
Its definitely rare, but I've seen it a few times.
zealot_53
07-13-2006, 02:06 PM
thankfully people who build bikes go by more than e-engineering looks. usually.
Well, the old frame's definitely got problems from what's been written in the thread. My guess is the toptube does have something to do with it. I probably won't even become an engineer, so just take it from an e-layman point of view then. :dunno:
steve
07-13-2006, 05:58 PM
yeh peace was all over that call pretty sweet
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3285/limeysnapqj7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Why they add gusset to the rear triangle whilst main tubes cracked ?
Anon.
07-15-2006, 07:41 PM
The whole point of that pic, Rav, was that the frame was already cracked, and they were purposefully trying to snap it. That's why Mike had set that picture up like that, and that's why Shaun isn't exactly using the usual drop-off technique.
I could probably show you a pic or two of a BT frame that snapped like that too, if only my old computer was working... Doesn't necessarily have to be a BT frame, but I've seen a hell of a lot of frames break like that when people ride cracked frames...
Did that hurt his testicles?
WhiteRavenKS
07-16-2006, 02:07 AM
Did that hurt his testicles?
i would certainly hope it did.
I could probably show you a pic or two of a BT frame that snapped like that too, if only my old computer was working...
Would be fantastic..never seen BT frame cracked like that...I'm looking forward to see every cracked BT, it helps me improve next revision BT 7.0
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