New Echo/Czar/Adamant/Zoo/Deng cranks?

[KenC]

Has anyone tried the new CNC'd Echo/Adamant/Czar cranks? Are they cheese or pretty good quality? I'll probably need to get new cranks pretty soon, and want to go ffw. I like the lok of the Adamant cranks, but haven't heard anything regarding quality about them.

[jda]

If they are anything like the 06 Echo rims then I'd say they are cheese.

[Noel]

But if there anything like the Zoo cranks, they're great.

[TTownJon]

assuming (<--note that word) that they are made in the same place as the echo cnc cranks (the 05 ones that came in all the colors with the external bearing bb) they are probably (<--- once again, important) pretty schwank.

[jmkimmel]

In the world of trials cranks, it seems like the main thing that goes wrong is threads stripping. So...if it has either a steel sleeve with threads, or a full-hard alu alloy, that'd probably be fine. And they look cool, which is the main thing.

In the world of all cranks, they're pretty shit. There's a reason that CNC stuff died out, and it wasn't just cost.

imo of course

[ChrisB]

If they are anything like the 06 Echo rims then I'd say they are cheese.


are the new echo rims soft like the try-all ones?

[jda]

I hear the Echo alloy is harder than the Tryall but the design of the Echo rims is where they fall down. If you compare a Tryall rim to an Echo rim you will notice the Echo has a very flat profile and the Tryall has a raised arch profile which gives it more strength. The walls on the Echo rim will not fold or ding, instead you just get massive flat spots in the wheel.

[ChrisB]

I hear the Echo alloy is harder than the Tryall but the design of the Echo rims is where they fall down. If you compare a Tryall rim to an Echo rim you will notice the Echo has a very flat profile and the Tryall has a raised arch profile which gives it more strength. The walls on the Echo rim will not fold or ding, instead you just get massive flat spots in the wheel.



have you seen the new echo rims? they have quite of arch to them. not like the older ones.

[jda]

I'm only talking about the 2006 one's

This is the 06 Echo rim on my bike, you can see how flat the profile is
http://www.observedtrials.net/album/data/500/medium/new_rear_wheel.jpg

[lucky13]

So,..

Does anyone have pictures of said "stripped" cranks?

Cause I know an aweful lot of people that rock them HARD and love them.

Echo>Koxx anything imho

[ronan_zj]

well, the only thing I know is ECHO makes new stuff , start with 06 series, in a new factory, thats why my OLD ZOO CRANK IS MUCH BETTER THAN NEW 06 CRANK.

[lucky13]

That makes no sense whatsoever.

New = bad?

[netto]

actually ronan is right
the new stuff is really hit or miss
the issue isnt with the design, its with the quality control

as for rims. the newest batch of echo rims have much smaller holes
i am running one right now, it holds the round-ness slightly better.

if you are comparing the structural integrity of the new echo rims vs the try all rims, try alls win for sure. vis rims are very similar to try all rims, but have eyelets. so maybe those are something to look into.

yes the try all rim is made with a softer material, and you have to grind more often. but the echos have their problems as well.

[TheGhost]

i've been riding my echo rim for about 5 months with no problems at all so far, i also am not a smooth rider at all. just get it built well...

[netto]

i'd like to think im a fairly smooth rider
i've had 3 echo rims
this new one with the smaller hole is holding up quite well actually
the other 2 didnt

[mcdub]

i'd like to think im a fairly smooth rider
i've had 3 echo rims
this new one with the smaller hole is holding up quite well actually
the other 2 didnt

I've seen James B echo rim,it was square there is no joking here ether.

but jamesb is jamesb.

[SLB]

Ummmmm.... That's toilet

5466

[Matt Staples]

i'd like to think im a fairly smooth rider

:hsugh: stfu Kevin. your the smoothest rider on this forum.


SLB...that wheel looks so english.

[Mango]

Yikes I was seriously thinking about getting that rim too. I hate when this happens.

[KenC]

So getting back to the original topic of this thread......

Seeing how there seems to be no personal experience with these cranks, has anyone had any bad experiences with the TryAll ISIS cranks? I haven't heard much bad about them that I can remember? I think I'm debating between Tensiles and the TryAll.

[Cryo-Cube]

my tryall snapped after a year or something. It took some beating though (25384878 fucked up taps to concrete)

[netto]

i like my try all
light and stiff
no problems with threads

[guumer]

you dont count cause you are to smooth and your like 84,6 pounds

[BenR]

Bonz? The 10 year warranty is pretty sweet. I have them and can't complain.

[guumer]

burns life time

[KenC]

I thought about the Bonz, but I want ffw, and 175's. I would get burns if they had a normal ffw design, but I don't want to have to buy a special cog/bashring every time it wears out.

[guumer]

umm they never do pat mcdub has had his for like 3 years and there is nothing on it

[Trialsaddict]

So getting back to the original topic of this thread......

Seeing how there seems to be no personal experience with these cranks,

I have the new CNC ones, and I much prefer them over my Tryall's. Very stiff, no thread problems on the FW or pedal threads. The CNC work was done really well IMO, leaving little side-to-side movement in the freewheel when spinning.

Also running the Echo rims, and I haven't had any issues. I blame poor wheel building on those that creased in the center walls...

Everything will eventually fail if you can't ride smooth. :wuteva:

[netto]

I have the new CNC ones, and I much prefer them over my Tryall's. Very stiff, no thread problems on the FW or pedal threads. The CNC work was done really well IMO, leaving little side-to-side movement in the freewheel when spinning.

Also running the Echo rims, and I haven't had any issues. I blame poor wheel building on those that creased in the center walls...

Everything will eventually fail if you can't ride smooth. :wuteva:

first off, freehweel shouldnt move side to side if they're on the crank, unless the lock gap is loose. that happens if you are running an eno or acs without loctiting or welding the cap on

now onto the echo rims

if you are talking about the innerwall caving in, i can tell you rightnow that it is now due to poor wheel building. i had a rim that had this defect BEFORE i built the wheel. also, the nipples do not come in contact with the innerwall.

im not sure what level you are riding at, or which version of the echo rim you are running.

from personal experience, the wheel does flat spot extremely easy in comparison to try all rims.

[Trialsaddict]

first off, freehweel shouldnt move side to side if they're on the crank, unless the lock gap is loose. that happens if you are running an eno or acs without loctiting or welding the cap on

now onto the echo rims

if you are talking about the innerwall caving in, i can tell you rightnow that it is now due to poor wheel building. i had a rim that had this defect BEFORE i built the wheel. also, the nipples do not come in contact with the innerwall.

im not sure what level you are riding at, or which version of the echo rim you are running.

from personal experience, the wheel does flat spot extremely easy in comparison to try all rims.

The movement is seen when spinning the cranks. Its the result of a poorly made crank arm that isn't perfectly square. The freewheel is not bad, its how the cranks are made.

I know how a wheel is built. I know if it is built wrong, the result can be seen by examples already shown. I understand there are other factors such as manufacturing defects. Drrrr. I have one of the 1st generation rims, and ride expert level if you must know.

Satisfied?

[netto]

i missunderstood what you meant by the freewheel thing. my apologies.
i dont seem to have that problem.

can you take a video of you spinning the wheel and focus on where the brake pads are, i would like to see how perfectly round your rim is.

maybe its just me

[trialnega]

So getting back to the original topic of this thread......

Seeing how there seems to be no personal experience with these cranks, has anyone had any bad experiences with the TryAll ISIS cranks? I haven't heard much bad about them that I can remember? I think I'm debating between Tensiles and the TryAll.

i have the same try-all isis cranks on my second bike
light and stiff
no problems
getting a second pair

[Anon.]

I think I'm debating between Tensiles and the TryAll.
Tensile Urban Legends. All your crank problems solved :)

[lucky13]

I've seen broken Tensiles and Tryalls.

I've never seen broken CNC Echos.

:shrug:

[Anon.]

I've seen broken Tensiles and Tryalls.

I've never seen broken CNC Echos.

:shrug:

Hence me suggesting the newer, stronger Tensile Urban Legends?

The movement is seen when spinning the cranks. Its the result of a poorly made crank arm that isn't perfectly square. The freewheel is not bad, its how the cranks are made.
The only time I've ever had that problem, it's been caused by the freewheel driveshell not being made perfectly circular. For example, on cheap, shit freewheels you get a shitload more bobbing than you do with something of higher quality, such as an Eno. Because the Eno's got a sealed bearing system for it to spin on, they also tend to spin in a better circle.

[thetart20]

I've seen broken Tensiles and Tryalls.

I've never seen broken CNC Echos.

:shrug:
The Echos are approx 10-15% heavier though... which accounts for the extra strength and stiffness.

[RomanC]

I've seen broken Tensiles and Tryalls.

I've never seen broken CNC Echos.

:shrug:
I've seen CNC Echos with stripped pedal threads.

[lucky13]

Ah.

Word.

Hence me suggesting the newer, stronger Tensile Urban Legends?


The only time I've ever had that problem, it's been caused by the freewheel driveshell not being made perfectly circular. For example, on cheap, shit freewheels you get a shitload more bobbing than you do with something of higher quality, such as an Eno. Because the Eno's got a sealed bearing system for it to spin on, they also tend to spin in a better circle.

[mcdub]

Apperently my cranks are bent.Pfuf.

[xtreme_jeremy]

I had a set of tryall cranks that I rode for a year and they had movement in the freewheel side to side because they were not machined right so the threads were not straight… however it did not affect performance at all .
Jeremy VanSchoonhoven

[boogeyman]

So a few months have passed and was wondering how Trailsaddict or anyone else is liking the Echo CNC cranks? I'm considering them as I ponder a bike & would love some more input, especially if anyone has broken one.

[DangerousDave]

i've heard of tensiles stripping...
my echo cnc's are doing fine after more than a year and i've changed the freewheel a few times.

[Trialsaddict]

So a few months have passed and was wondering how Trailsaddict or anyone else is liking the Echo CNC cranks? I'm considering them as I ponder a bike & would love some more input, especially if anyone has broken one.

Still going strong. I would highly recommend. :bigthumb:

If you treat them right (not overtightening), there shouldn't be a problem.

[boogeyman]

Good to hear some reviews from actual riders after some time on the bikes. I had some concerns they might snap off at the pedal threads at the worst moments.:eek3:

Apologies to Trialsaddict for misspelling your u.n...stoopid noob here...

[FoxRacer]

my adamant cranks also doing well and they are fucking stiff

[beedlo]

I built one of the '06 Echo rims for netto. The inner walls caved in because it could not take the high spoke tension. Thats partially my fault for thinking that the rim is pretty strong....:dunno:

[bushlawyer]

why are bonz/burns so much better, (and backed by warrenty)

are they forged?, are all the deng/munty rubbish/try-all forged?