OTN days

[Bryan]

We kicked this idea around a little bit earlier this year... A national group ride. Could be a couple days, up to a week. Location? Time?

[jobottDMB]

Colorado the week before nationals in Snow Mass? I just say that because I'm planning to be there anyways.

[RT Wolf]

Great idea.

[va_tick]

That's pretty cool, or we could have a U.S based bike trial manufacture throw it and it could be called......................BRISA DAY'S 06....:barf:........no

but for real that would be cool to get something going like a koxx days

events....get some Hans, Jeff.L, maybe some leech, Lance.T, etc,etc.

[MikeTheBike]

Hans, Jeff.L, maybe some leech, Lance.T = monies

I don't mean to trod all over your idea but you've got to be realistic. KoxxDays gets the big attendence for two reasons:

1. Top World riders
2. Europe

We can't get more than 30 riders to come to a competition. Do you really think you can get riders from all over the US (or NA) to pay the big bucks for a flight to CO or wherever just for the hell of it? Find a big reason for people to meet and you might have something.

[trauma100]

Find a big reason for people to meet and you might have something.flag day or maybe passover :dunno:

[Bryan]

We can't get more than 30 riders to come to a competition. Do you really think you can get riders from all over the US (or NA) to pay the big bucks for a flight to CO or wherever just for the hell of it? Find a big reason for people to meet and you might have something.

This isn't meant to be an imitation of Koxx days, it's meant to be an imitation of Nopogo days. The major difference between them is that there is no competition.
A group ride has major advantages over a competition.
A lot of riders in the US don't ride to compete, they ride to have fun and to get better. In my limited experience, one learns a lot more and has a lot more fun at group rides than at competitions. There is greater opportunity for more experienced riders to teach, none of the stress of a competition, no entry fee, no license fee, no registration to deal with... you just show up and ride.

If thirty people from around the country came, that would be a great turnout!

[TTownJon]

I've said it before and I will say it again.

Buffalo creek campground. Its a sweet spot south west of Denver. Unlimited natural riding, good free camping not too hot, beautiful area. Could ride CU campus or any number of other areas around there as well.

I think this is a great idea. but we need to firm up a date soon to make it happen.

[redworm]

I've said it before and I will say it again.

Buffalo creek campground. Its a sweet spot south west of Denver. Unlimited natural riding, good free camping not too hot, beautiful area. Could ride CU campus or any number of other areas around there as well.

I think this is a great idea. but we need to firm up a date soon to make it happen.

Yes buffalo creek is perfect for something like this.

[jbinion]

Haven't been to buffalo creek in years. July would be .....less hot than tx

[va_tick]

I got ya.......massive group ride would be great for the sport....even possibly having some from over sea's come....Vincent came to Colorado once...correct......was this for money or competition? Also, if we need something special for these "big name" riders to take time out to show up.....I'll submerge myself for seven day's under water and than on the seventh day I'll try to hold by breath for 9min while jerking off!!!!!! That aside I dont see why this idea is un-reasonable provided its pre-planned properly dates,etc........

[Matt]

I'd possibly be interested. I'd really like to head out to CO this summer anyhow and could easily throw in some trials for a day or two ;). I definitely need LOTS of advanced notice though, as it takes a lot of prep work for me to be able to leave work during the busy season.

Anyhow, keep us updated ;)

[mistri@l]

This isn't meant to be an imitation of Koxx days, it's meant to be an imitation of Nopogo days. The major difference between them is that there is no competition.
A group ride has major advantages over a competition.
A lot of riders in the US don't ride to compete, they ride to have fun and to get better. In my limited experience, one learns a lot more and has a lot more fun at group rides than at competitions. There is greater opportunity for more experienced riders to teach, none of the stress of a competition, no entry fee, no license fee, no registration to deal with... you just show up and ride.

If thirty people from around the country came, that would be a great turnout!

:werd:

[KoxxLevelRider]

im already planning on going out to CO this summer for prob a week, so this idea sounds awesome especially if its gonna be in CO, but im with matt, i need notice also. and im sure, depending on what exactly its going to be, that webcyclery/trialsin/other bike companies would sponsor something.

[rush]

I would like to go. :wtc:

[Trialsaddict]

Got my vote. CO and I'm there.

[MIKE1968]

Colorado seems too far.












:o

[Patrick]

shit I've already got alot of crap going on this summer, but a Buffalo Creek ride with lots of camping and drinking, and of course riding, would be awesome.

[[BMF]Andy]

We could also hold rally races at Buffalo Creek and Kevin would be sure to win.........

[Bryan]

What dates would be good for you guys? Would June 10th be too early? I need tons of advance notice for work too...

[RyanMcVicker]

do it do it do it... do it when vincent comes so everyone learns from the pro

[Bryan]

vincent isn't coming this year I'm told

[MIKE1968]

Andy']We could also hold rally races at Buffalo Creek and Kevin would be sure to win.........

:rofl:





kenny said he is too busy...vincent...well I haven't bothered with him.

[TTownJon]

June 10th might be too soon - just a month away. maybe late june? Gotta do it away from the main holidays though... weekend of the 17th? the 24th is kinda pushing into july 4th teritory.

[steven]

I just looked for coming from france, it could cost 550€ (near 600dollars i think) for a week... but it's hard to organize this trip from here... and i don't have so much free time until the end of august this year.
Maybe for the next OTN COncentration Days :) and maybe with some friends...

[rush]

:rofl:





kenny said he is too busy...vincent...well I haven't bothered with him.

Cliffs?

[MIKE1968]

french people? :dunno: ;)

[rush]

Fair call.

[big nd]

french people? :dunno: ;)

thats sad. i really wanted to ride with vince.
maybe craig lee or tunni wants to come to us?

[Patrick]

Andrew, get Benito over here, or Keita

[Wilhelm]

what would be the attraction for the euros? They need some sort of cash dollars sidecar'd with promotional opportunity. I know Vince was coming out in the past because that was on the table but now with no money and only promotional opps, I don't think he would bother.....unless any of you have a smokin' sister you could hook him up with.....F that, take him to LG. It'd be like dead fish in a barrel.

[Patrick]

Andrews videos might be incentive enough. At Koxxdays, they played a bunch of his vids over and over on all the TV screens.

[va_tick]

They can come look at the bigest dong this side of the rockies!!!!!!!!!

[Bryan]

What about July 15 or 22nd?

[MikeTheBike]

Alright, well, more power to you. I didn't mean to discourage anyone, only to encourage realistic thinking and planning. I hope it is a success.

As for top riders, you might consider that one of the best BIU riders from Japan is living in CA right now: Masashi. I'd bet more than a few riders from all around the US could learn a thing or two from him. Contact Zak Maeda to reach Masashi.

[TTownJon]

the 15th seems like good time for it - dunno what the other comp schedules look like, but whistler crankworx is at the end of that month.

Jonathan

[Bryan]

It's the weekend after the TTC, is that too close?

[MIKE1968]

Andrew, get Benito over here, or Keita

Benito is a simple farm boy ;)


keita is hard to talk to, at least for me...all the japanese are hard to talk to online :/




Andrews videos might be incentive enough. At Koxxdays, they played a bunch of his vids over and over on all the TV screens.

:rofl: then i went up to serge (on the computer) and said you had to turn it off unless I get some royalties . I don't think he understood what I said.

[aki]

Great idea but...probably not this summer for me...maybe late fall? I can make plans then.

[redworm]

theres a fire ban right now, camping without a fire sucks. If someone plans it I will come.

[AndyT]

Who in colorado would be willing to help...I need a list.

[Hannigan]

Andy, i'm willing to help out. count me in.

[TTownJon]

more than willing. I should have a lot of free time this summer...

Jonathan

[mikeschiavone]

June is too early- lets get it 2 months out if possible. July 4th anyone?

[jobottDMB]

Don't do it then :wtc: :wtc: :wtc: . Ill be in TN and NC visiting friends and at the TTC comp. Whats wrong with early August?

[redworm]

I'll help

[big nd]

AndyT
Although im not in colorado, im ready to help.. really want them here.. :yum:

[AndyT]

...........what?

[hophopsnap]

I think he wants to sex someone.

Sucks for me I'm poor and in summer school, failing algebra for the 3rd time never felt so good.

[va_tick]

I think he is under the impressioin the pro's listed sre going to def come?

[illcore]

ill go, but not a week after ttc.

[MIKE1968]

hmm...

problems with buffalo creek-

no fires, no food to be cooked?
no hotels nearby (for people who need that)
not reasonably close to the airport...?

[Bryan]

We need to nail down dates too... I'm thinking if we did it as three or four days over a weekend (fri-sun, fri-mon), more people could come.

[jobottDMB]

I'll say it once and I'll say it again. Early August would be the best time. Summer school is out. Regular school hasn't started yet, but then again if Early August doesn't work for CO people then this whole thing probably wouldn't work. I will try to make it whatever days you guys choose but early August works the best for me.

[TTownJon]

How about augsust 11-14? That seems like the option that would work for most people and gives a bigger window of time for those who need to make work arrangements.

[Bryan]

How about augsust 11-14?

works for me

[jobottDMB]

August 12-13, 2006Snowmass, Colorado, USANORBA National Championship
More info: Zak Maeda (Zaktrials@yahoo.com)
I don't think Zak would appreciate it much but how about the weekend before that and some people can probably stay and do this comp after OTN days.

[Hannigan]

11-14 works for me...

and for buffalo creek: we cant have open fires, but propane stoves should still be ok.

[Elan]

we can have otn days at my house, everyone come here, byob.

[va_tick]

How about augsust 11-14? That seems like the option that would work for most people and gives a bigger window of time for those who need to make work arrangements.

Nice!!!!!!!

[Bryan]

August 12-13, 2006Snowmass, Colorado, USANORBA National Championship
More info: Zak Maeda (Zaktrials@yahoo.com)

darf. weekend before or after?

[TTownJon]

before would be best I think. It will be the week after Crankworx, but that should be okay I guess.

[jobottDMB]

Before FTW. Just so everyone can check that would be 4th - 7th. If its the week after Ill be in training for my new job and I would be sad :wtc:

[TTownJon]

yeah, I think if its after too many people will be gearing up for a new semester /the fall work schedule. Also, I think there is a gunnison comp around then....

As far as place.... Fires are gonna be prohibited all up and down the front range so that seems kinda like a moot point. The distance from the airport is not a huge deal unless there are a ton of people(kets be realistic...) coming since we could easily have a carpool from denver (I would gladly drive my parents van which can haul at least 5 bikes and people). So it seems to me the biggest issue here is lack of hotels.


Anyone have any other ideas for spots? Maybe somewhere in Co.Springs?
Jonathan

[Hannigan]

The gunnison comp is the 19 and 20th of august...so its a little late to group together

[MIKE1968]

I' don't even think people in denver/ftc would make it to a co springs event :momaru:

[Elan]

I' don't even think people in denver/ftc would make it to a co springs event :momaru:

its sad, because its true:(

[redworm]

I agree, co springs has lotsa spots to ride but the worst cops, so no urban would be able to be ridden if there are like 50 people. Plus andrew has bad mouthed this place so much that everyone thinks its a shithole. Buff creek or horsetooth has the most riding I think, or boulder canyon+campus may be the best way to go.

[MIKE1968]

I've never had a bad day riding in the springs, the stuff there is amazing to ride on....my comments about that place have nothing to do with the riding ;)

[Peace]

I think Peace McCormack should be a priority invite, he's rad.

all expenses paid of course... its just how he rolls.

Poice

[eturt9]

If it miraculously ended up happening Aug 20, I'll be in CO already. Sounds fun. wish i could go.

[Matt Staples]

hmmm.


can i justify £1000 for a few days riding :dunno:

[Elan]

the best comp ive ever been to was in pancho's yard :dunno:

stat- no, but yo ucan justify it for spending killer time in america with some jews

[KoxxLevelRider]

OTN at andrews new place in Denver?



seems like there are no set dates yet. someone who wants to take some authority needs to just set a date and place. then start a condensed thread. its hard to read through all this thread and get 15 different dates with 3 different places

[MIKE1968]

If it miraculously ended up happening Aug 20, I'll be in CO already. Sounds fun. wish i could go.

:bowrofl: I just saw that episode in your av! hilarious!



My house...people can stay here....lots of people...but at that point in august I really don't know what will be happening- in all honestly this next year will be a huge questionmark for me...

Matt if you come, we can do more than just a few days of riding...

[KoxxLevelRider]

:yum:

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I dont think there is a trials at Mt Snow this year but the Norba National championships will be held at Aspen Snowmass the 2nd weekend in August

[trialsin usa]

so why not OTN Days same weekend as Snowmass.....at (or right next to) Snowmass? Huge jam and a competition........

[Yoda]

CO would work for me

[MIKE1968]

:werd: tim that is what I'm thinking? Snowmass is...wait...snowmass..yeah uh...I know where that is, its deep in the mountains- deeper than buffalo creek.

[trialsin usa]

:werd: tim that is what I'm thinking? Snowmass is...wait...snowmass..yeah uh...I know where that is, its deep in the mountains- deeper than buffalo creek.

I looked on a map, yes it does seem further into the wilderness of CO than Buffalo Creek. However, I am assuming there are hotels and other modern conveniences. Has anyone from this list ever been there?....is there plenty of stuff to ride on the grounds???...or next to? The national and all the other ameneties/factors might out weigh the distance from metropolis airport.

[TTownJon]

I guess another question is what kind of riding do we want to be doing (urban/natty)? The nice thing about bufalo creek is that we KNOW there is good natural there as well as good urban in denver and boulder (both about an hour and a half from the campsite. We could also do a night in denver (rent a couple of rooms/camp out at andys place) one of the days and then carpool down to buffalo creek. Would have to have some definite interest for that though.... I would be willing to front money for hotel rooms in denver if others pay me back etc....

its also not like its that far from buffalo creek to towns big enough to have motels. I seem to remember a pretty decent sized motel no more than 20 miles from the riding spot.

[MIKE1968]

I've been to snowmass a bit...It is sooooooooooo farrrrrrrrrrr :wtc:


Some hotels I believe....expensive hotels?

[mikeschiavone]

I think it should be weekend of snow mass. How far is Snowmass from denver? Is it worthwhile? Could you imagine over 40 riders showing up at a norba event? That would be pretty damn funny...

What's the closest city to Snowmass and how far away is it? We could have urban riding on Friday and Saturday, and then head up to Snowmass for the event on Sunday. Or, if the competition is on Saturday, then we could ride Urban on Sunday and Monday.

[lucky13]

french people? :dunno: ;):werd:

I'm down,.. But you guys need to be solid about the date soon.

AND NO PUCKERING! Pony up and be there. Talk is talk. DangerousDave knows what I'm talking about.

[MIKE1968]

snomass = 3? 4 hours?

I've never ridden much in terms of aspen/snowmass/keystone/ski resort urban...a little in keystone though, many years ago- kevin would be better at accessing the situation?

[TTownJon]

Snow mass is easily 4 hours. which day is the competition? saturday seems likely - we could hit up the front range on sunday and monday or something? seems like a bit too much traveling and too little riding to me. The distances between buff creek and snowmass make it kindof difficult to arrange both... its really one or the other...

The way I see it there are two viable options:

1. The weekend before snowmass (August 4-6) at buffalo creek/golden/boulder/denver

2. The weekend of snowmass (August 11-13) @ aspen/snowmass. There is doubtless good natural to be found there, but we don't really know where it is... as far as urban... who knows?

[lucky13]

Isn't that the same difference as when we go to Canada?

3-4hrs is acceptable in comparison to a whole week in Colorado.

If we are going to gather everyone, it really should be combined and non conflicting.

I'm thinking that flying in and renting a van is the ticket...

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[Matt Staples]

maybe this wouldn't be too expensive for me:dunno:.

i dunno guys, i'd want to come for like 10 days, maybe a little less (8 hours flights:run: ). whats the competition? and am i able to compete?

Andy- what does your week leading up to it look like? or anyone else driving distance (with allot of free time) able to put me up for a week or so?

don't noes.

[MIKE1968]

Matt- I can always make time for people...no problems...can put you up for however long you want.

[Elan]

youre welcome here too matt. but andrew is probably more fun to stay with. i live an hour away from andrew.

[MIKE1968]

In a small towns...I live in the big citys now...


still miss fort collins though...

[jobottDMB]

i dunno guys, i'd want to come for like 10 days, maybe a little less (8 hours flights:run: ). whats the competition? and am i able to compete?



Oh no not this again... Im pretty sure these are the national championships for the US. Last year Christiano came to the nationals and because Jeremy hurt himself he technically won but since he isn't an American citizen he couldn't be our national champion and they wouldn't let him on the podium. So yes, Norba will take your money and let you ride the sections, BUT you can't win. Other than that, Paul and I are probably going to be in CO for a couple weeks before snowmass/OTN days and wont have anything to do. And I like to ride a lot, everyday if other people are up to it.

[jbinion]

Can old people come?

[lucky13]

Can old people come?

NO.
























:greddy2:

[illcore]

did anyone decide on a date yet?

[jbinion]

Have we got a date and place yet?

[THEDEMOLITIONMAN]

Been trying to get out there for a while, I hear CO is killer..








I'm in..

THEDMAN

[TTownJon]

do we know which day the trials comp in snowmass is yet?

[TTownJon]

Okay, since NORBA isn't posting the actual date of the trials comp on its website (or whether there will even be a trials comp) I would suggest that we have it the weekend before (August 4-6) at Buffalo Creek campgrond on the front range. If this is acceptable to every one I am willing to step in and do all the planning for this date.

If anyone (Zach Maeda perhaps?) has more info regarding the snowmass national they should let me know and we can change this thing accordingly.

Jonathan

[[BMF]Andy]

Perhaps a yes or no poll type thing, yes if you are pretty sure you are planning to come at the moment for August 4-6, no if you cant come that date but would come if it was at a better date for you and dont vote if you woudnt come no matter what

[TTownJon]

Andy']Perhaps a yes or no poll type thing, yes if you are pretty sure you are planning to come at the moment for August 4-6, no if you cant come that date but would come if it was at a better date for you and dont vote if you woudnt come no matter what

done

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