about brisa

[vulkun]

I was wondering about sidehoping with Brisa...it seems to me that the too low bb is a problem if you want to go high.anyone got any experience?

[trauma100]

the flood gates are now open

[jamesb]

With the lower bb, you will need to use more arm/upper body strength than with high bb bikes...They are like pogo sticks.

Using your arms is not a bad thing though, I have seen people go huge on low bb bikes.

[kobrakai]

...it seems to me that the too low bb is a problem if you want to go high.

That's right. sidehopping is a very new invention. before a couple of years ago when high bb bikes came on the market, there was no such thing as a 'sidehop'. it sure has revolutionized trials riding.

[tybikes]

Yeah, sidehopping is new...

Anybody remember the slingshot mod from way back in the day? It had some sort of springy cable for a down tube and a pivot, much like inactive dual suspension bikes. The whole idea was that when you compress to sidehop, the cable stretches, and then springs back when you hop, theoretically improving bunnyhops and sidehops...

That was back in like the early 90's, wasnt it?

Edit: So to answer your question, you can sidehop just fine on a bike with a lower BB, such as a Brisa. Search around for videos of Nelson Reis, a former Brisa rider. He did huge sidehops on Brisa mods...

[Peace]

you can sidehop big, tap big.... basically you can ride like a pro IF YOU ARE A FUCKING PRO.... you will get used to whatever bike you buy.

Oh and Brisa's are just generally peices of SHIT.

Peace

there should be no more posts in this thread.

[jpsnodab]

Ah, what would we do without the new school know it alls. Uh, bunnyhopping is easier with a low bb, kids and harder with the high bb's. Of course the brisa bunnyhops fine. The bunnyhop first showed up in So Cal in 1973. Thats when I learned it and I'm pretty sure none of you were born so you'll have to take my word. Hey, new guys, be very careful taking advice from "experts" with 3 years riding experience. The brisa is way better to learn on than a '86 Monty or '92 Megamo or even a '98 Crescent. These guys wouldn't know a piece of shit if it were shoved up their arse. Ride whatever you have and have fun and ignore the paris' of our sport.

Steve Arrowood

The one,the original, and still the only licensed US Trials Coach...but not for long!

[TheObieOne3226]

Ah, what would we do without the new school know it alls. Uh, bunnyhopping is easier with a low bb, kids and harder with the high bb's.


Thread was about sidehops I thought?

[va_tick]

I've seen Cristian Santos(spelling?)....brisa's pro rider at motorama a few years ago do crazy sidehops and up on those bikes....its got nothing to do with a bike, however for some reason it seems to be an easy out for the reason our skills are lacking in certain areas...I'm looking at new shit every day that I want to get b/c hopefully I will ride better with it. NOT TRUE!!!!

[toyota200x]

Ah, what would we do without the new school know it alls. Uh, bunnyhopping is easier with a low bb, kids and harder with the high bb's. Of course the brisa bunnyhops fine. The bunnyhop first showed up in So Cal in 1973. Thats when I learned it and I'm pretty sure none of you were born so you'll have to take my word. Hey, new guys, be very careful taking advice from "experts" with 3 years riding experience. The brisa is way better to learn on than a '86 Monty or '92 Megamo or even a '98 Crescent. These guys wouldn't know a piece of shit if it were shoved up their arse. Ride whatever you have and have fun and ignore the paris' of our sport.

Steve Arrowood

The one,the original, and still the only licensed US Trials Coach...but not for long!

Right on. :D

[trauma100]

Ah, what would we do without the new school know it alls. These guys wouldn't know a piece of shit if it were shoved up their arse. Ride whatever you have and have fun and ignore the paris' of our sport. Not sure what hole you pulled this from... obviously your speaking from years of whatever experience.... a "expert" with three years of experience is only going to comment on what he knows.. chances are he's made one or two frame changes in the time span that hes been riding... I would take the advice of an expert with 4 years of riding under his belt over someone thats been riding trials since the 80's... geo changes in frames started happening how long ago????..... not that long.
I'm sure anyone with a 9th grade education can do the math on the age/years of riding exp. X commenting on a frame that came out when said person was still seeking moms tit for nourishment

[eXtreme_one]

trauma is right .. that's why we evolved because young (and not only) people come up with new and better ideas and make a new thing or improve the old one...
sometimes old people don't have the power to adapt and they remain to their old school stuff and think new school totaly sucks ..
if it's easy with lower bb why doesn't everybody rides it ?? cause it's BAD !!
and it's logical that higher bb .. easier side-hop .. you are higher with your body and you have to pull the bike less (only need to have a bit of imagination)
of course you can side-hop on everything .. but easier or harder .. it need more practise or less..
now go ride that brisa and see how high u can side-hop:bigthumb:

[KoxxLevelRider]

Ah, what would we do without the new school know it alls. Uh, bunnyhopping is easier with a low bb, kids and harder with the high bb's. Of course the brisa bunnyhops fine. The bunnyhop first showed up in So Cal in 1973. Thats when I learned it and I'm pretty sure none of you were born so you'll have to take my word. Hey, new guys, be very careful taking advice from "experts" with 3 years riding experience. The brisa is way better to learn on than a '86 Monty or '92 Megamo or even a '98 Crescent. These guys wouldn't know a piece of shit if it were shoved up their arse. Ride whatever you have and have fun and ignore the paris' of our sport.

Steve Arrowood

The one,the original, and still the only licensed US Trials Coach...but not for long!

how much do you charge for lessons?

[tomacropod]

uh oh, the internet vs the trials coach.

- Joel

[trialscoach]

Just wrote a really cool reply, didn't post and now my girlfriend called....later,suckers!

[rush]

Ah, what would we do without the new school know it alls. Uh, bunnyhopping is easier with a low bb, kids and harder with the high bb's. Of course the brisa bunnyhops fine. The bunnyhop first showed up in So Cal in 1973. Thats when I learned it and I'm pretty sure none of you were born so you'll have to take my word. Hey, new guys, be very careful taking advice from "experts" with 3 years riding experience. The brisa is way better to learn on than a '86 Monty or '92 Megamo or even a '98 Crescent. These guys wouldn't know a piece of shit if it were shoved up their arse. Ride whatever you have and have fun and ignore the paris' of our sport.

Steve Arrowood

The one,the original, and still the only licensed US Trials Coach...but not for long!

:rofl: and :hsugh:

[Peace]

Ah, what would we do without the new school know it alls. Uh, bunnyhopping is easier with a low bb, kids and harder with the high bb's. Of course the brisa bunnyhops fine. The bunnyhop first showed up in So Cal in 1973. Thats when I learned it and I'm pretty sure none of you were born so you'll have to take my word. Hey, new guys, be very careful taking advice from "experts" with 3 years riding experience. The brisa is way better to learn on than a '86 Monty or '92 Megamo or even a '98 Crescent. These guys wouldn't know a piece of shit if it were shoved up their arse. Ride whatever you have and have fun and ignore the paris' of our sport.

Steve Arrowood

The one,the original, and still the only licensed US Trials Coach...but not for long!

:ugh:

Im quite glad your the one and only, if there were more of you i would fucking quit trials.

Oh and BRISA'S ARE PIECES OF SHIT!!!! I couldn't count on one hand how many I have seen broken, let alone the two pairs of forks of theirs i have snapped... still waiting on the warranty :hsugh:

All im saying is no matter what frame you ride, you are only going to be able to ride it to your own capabilities.... The new frames DO make some moves easier yet makes some others harder.

Still, I bet ANY of the euros would be able out bunnyhop your ass.

Get off your soap box :)

Peace

[reine]

To me it seems like some peope are thinkin too much about which bike is which and believe some frames would make them world champs and some make them riding like grandma. It's bad to seek excuses for certain things because of your bike instead of riding and learning. Bullshit walks, riding talks! :bigthumb:

[vulkun]

i've been riding for about 5 years,now i'm twenty and my favourite trick is sidehop.But till now i only do a meter(too hard) So I love my double butted handmade TREK from super-duper alu,wich has quite the same specs like brisa(chainstay is 20mm longer) but i feel that i just cannot do higher than that ...anyway,not only the sidehop makes the ride

[KyleT]

Speaking of Brisa chainstays, they crack when you screw up a sidehop for the first time

[dkoppric]

Ah, what would we do without the new school know it alls. Uh, bunnyhopping is easier with a low bb, kids and harder with the high bb's. Of course the brisa bunnyhops fine. The bunnyhop first showed up in So Cal in 1973. Thats when I learned it and I'm pretty sure none of you were born so you'll have to take my word. Hey, new guys, be very careful taking advice from "experts" with 3 years riding experience. The brisa is way better to learn on than a '86 Monty or '92 Megamo or even a '98 Crescent. These guys wouldn't know a piece of shit if it were shoved up their arse. Ride whatever you have and have fun and ignore the paris' of our sport.

Steve Arrowood

The one,the original, and still the only licensed US Trials Coach...but not for long!

Steve, I think you mean well for the sport of biketrials, but you should let people who have ridden all types of trials bikes give advice about bike choices. Yes, chris santos and nelson reis make riding look effortless on brisas. no, it is not easier to bunnyhop on a low bottom bracket bike. it is easier to bunnyhop a bike with a shorter wheelbase. if bikes have equal wheelbases, the higher bb one is easier to bunnyhop.

Second off, a brisa comes no where near in quality of a crescent. who here has broken a crescent? who here has had a brisa deteriorate from hanging on a bike hook in their garage? I progressed more on a crescent than on any other bike I have ridden. For the time it was the perfect geometry. Im surprised they arent still in demand actually...

Not to be rude, but I've ridden all types of bikes over the past 7 years, and your advice on this one was completely wrong.

[Elan]

brisas are decent bikes to ride, they just break all the time and thye have absoultely no manufacturer support behind their products, thats why everyone shits on them on hte internet. im sure a lot of riders on this forum either ride them or have ridden them in hte past.

[reine]

Second off, a brisa comes no where near in quality of a crescent. who here has broken a crescent?

FYI almost everyone in Sweden who has had a Crescent broke one. All cracked at the headtube like every trialsbike, and I even got a crack on the middle of the top tube on one!! (the 2001 model with swayed toptube)

They might be quite good in quality but it's just another taiwan frame and will brake. The good thing was crescent was stupid enough to have 10 years frame warranty for trials frames too! =)

[trialsin usa]

FYI almost everyone in Sweden who has had a Crescent broke one. All cracked at the headtube like every trialsbike, and I even got a crack on the middle of the top tube on one!! (the 2001 model with swayed toptube)

They might be quite good in quality but it's just another taiwan frame and will brake. The good thing was crescent was stupid enough to have 10 years frame warranty for trials frames too! =)

Interesting, as I saw no less than three Crescents at Motoram last month.... they were all 5+ years old! Maybe you refer to the later model with zero stack headset?...aside from the Cane Creek headset problems I am pretty sure we all would have heard a viseral tirade stretch for months of Adrew had broken his <smirk>. Trevor Bodogh is out there somewhere...what ever happened to yours?? The original (at least first ones to North America) square downtube ones (think this is the one Duncan is referring to) have lasted years....... only weakness being the rear disc tab, once we figured out to tell people not to put on rear disc, there litterally were no warranty issues with Crescent.

PS Steve...... Megamo did not exist in '92

[DaleM]

As for Brisa bashing, I am not going to get into it. Being from Brisa country I know of 8 riders over the years who have ridden brisa's and not one has broken. One of the riders was a big guy in the 280lb area and would drop 4-5 feet all the time - not a ton of height but it was under a huge guy. He was ruthless on his bick and never had a problem.

I think the frame geometry stuff is like flatland bmx, every few years a trend comes along that seemingly pushes the sport to new levels yet, the really good riders can still do all the new tricks on thier old bikes with zero problems.

Riders need to concern themselves more with learning to ride than changing thier bikes once or twice a year.

With all of that said, Cris Santos would like to get on a bike with a BB about 10-20mm higher than the Brisa. So, if anybody would like to give him a bike please let me know.

[reine]

Interesting, as I saw no less than three Crescents at Motoram last month.... they were all 5+ years old! Maybe you refer to the later model with zero stack headset?...aside from the Cane Creek headset problems I am pretty sure we all would have heard a viseral tirade stretch for months of Adrew had broken his <smirk>. Trevor Bodogh is out there somewhere...what ever happened to yours?? The original (at least first ones to North America) square downtube ones (think this is the one Duncan is referring to) have lasted years....... only weakness being the rear disc tab, once we figured out to tell people not to put on rear disc, there litterally were no warranty issues with Crescent.

PS Steve...... Megamo did not exist in '92

That is really strange I think! Here people cracked both the old and the new model. My friend cracked an old one, along with many people. But my 01 cracking on toptube mustve been factory faliure with bending process or something...

It's great hearing that they've lasted so long over there cause here you almost never see one nowadays, people either killed them or think they're out of date! Some bianchis (same frame) are still around but thats probalby cause they were sold later on.

[toyota200x]

Yeah sometimes I am like I need a better bike with top of the line stuff, then I realize the bike only plays a small role in how good a person is.

[morley]

There is a local rider in victoria named mike bentham, some of the olders riders may remember him. He used to ride for brisa awhile ago (is brisa still in business?) Anyhow, I still can't get over the countless number of brisa frames, forks, stems, bars that he broke. He even broke a king headset from the forks breaking so many times. I've never seen anyone break so many parts, and mike is not a hackish rider. I had two brisa's both broke withen a week, and both could have their headsets installed with your hands and no grease or tools. Although there is a lot of brisa bashing going on today, it doesn't seem they've existed for awhile. It wasn't that long ago that they were the latest and greatest with the netweb world.

[MikeTheBike]

As for Brisa bashing, I am not going to get into it. Being from Brisa country I know of 8 riders over the years who have ridden brisa's and not one has broken. One of the riders was a big guy in the 280lb area and would drop 4-5 feet all the time - not a ton of height but it was under a huge guy. He was ruthless on his bick and never had a problem.

I think the frame geometry stuff is like flatland bmx, every few years a trend comes along that seemingly pushes the sport to new levels yet, the really good riders can still do all the new tricks on thier old bikes with zero problems.

Riders need to concern themselves more with learning to ride than changing thier bikes once or twice a year.

With all of that said, Cris Santos would like to get on a bike with a BB about 10-20mm higher than the Brisa. So, if anybody would like to give him a bike please let me know.

I'd suggest you or Cris contact Simtra. I'd think they would love to get hold of someone as good as him. Plus, with Cris being mostly focused on demos, he could get their name out well. See the other thread where they just picked up JamesB.

***Hoping to see Cris make a big comeback in US trials***

[toyota200x]

I'd suggest you or Cris contact Simtra. I'd think they would love to get hold of someone as good as him. Plus, with Cris being mostly focused on demos, he could get their name out well. See the other thread where they just picked up JamesB.

***Hoping to see Cris make a big comeback in US trials***

Yeah that sounds like a super good idea. DaleM let Cris know about simtra.

[trialsin usa]

All,

Alot of Brisas were sold. For a short period of time, probably more than any other model (at least here in USA). So, one has to consider the number broken vrs the number sold. I don't know how many were sold, but I am not sure the percentage of breaking was alot higher than anything else. Also, judging accuracy of breakages by this (or any other) forum has got to be the worst indicator possible. Heck, there are still quite a number out there that I have seen.

Per Crescent. That is so weird that they all broke quickly in Sweden/europe but not here. Pete Wilks just broke after 5 years....... alot of riding....granted he is not harsh on things....but 5 years of riding! I had to warranty only one (of approx 70 sold), and as I said, that was JJs and he broke the disc tab.

Finally, intentional warranty damage. I have seen (on more than one occasion) frames that have intentionally had the crap hammered out of them just before the warranty ran out....so they could get a new one. Reason number one Planet X got out of the trials biz. I am not going to claim everyone does this........ no........but enough to have companies leave trials or severly limit warranty definitions.

Heh......learn something new everyday.

[toyota200x]

All,

Alot of Brisas were sold. For a short period of time, probably more than any other model (at least here in USA). So, one has to consider the number broken vrs the number sold. I don't know how many were sold, but I am not sure the percentage of breaking was alot higher than anything else. Also, judging accuracy of breakages by this (or any other) forum has got to be the worst indicator possible. Heck, there are still quite a number out there that I have seen.

Per Crescent. That is so weird that they all broke quickly in Sweden/europe but not here. Pete Wilks just broke after 5 years....... alot of riding....granted he is not harsh on things....but 5 years of riding! I had to warranty only one (of approx 70 sold), and as I said, that was JJs and he broke the disc tab.

Finally, intentional warranty damage. I have seen (on more than one occasion) frames that have intentionally had the crap hammered out of them just before the warranty ran out....so they could get a new one. Reason number one Planet X got out of the trials biz. I am not going to claim everyone does this........ no........but enough to have companies leave trials or severly limit warranty definitions.

Heh......learn something new everyday.

Woah I didn't know that.

[va_tick]

Steve, I think you mean well for the sport of biketrials, but you should let people who have ridden all types of trials bikes give advice about bike choices. Yes, chris santos and nelson reis make riding look effortless on brisas. no, it is not easier to bunnyhop on a low bottom bracket bike. it is easier to bunnyhop a bike with a shorter wheelbase. if bikes have equal wheelbases, the higher bb one is easier to bunnyhop.

Second off, a brisa comes no where near in quality of a crescent. who here has broken a crescent? who here has had a brisa deteriorate from hanging on a bike hook in their garage? I progressed more on a crescent than on any other bike I have ridden. For the time it was the perfect geometry. Im surprised they arent still in demand actually...

Not to be rude, but I've ridden all types of bikes over the past 7 years, and your advice on this one was completely wrong.

Anyone know where you can find one[ CRESCENT FRAME]!!!!!!!!!!! I alway loved the geo of those bikes classic trials frame!!!!!

[tomacropod]

just get a Bianchi whateveritis. Same frames essentially.

- Joel

[reine]

just get a Bianchi whateveritis. Same frames essentially.

- Joel

Or a Kleivard... The designer of Ilions, Martin Kleivard's, own brand with the same frame. Think they're avalible for anyone as I've seen a few here.

www.kleivard.com (http://www.kleivard.com) go to the Kontakt page and send a request.

[trialsin usa]

.... the one that was the most popular and liked was the square downtube model, the current one sold under the Kleivard/Bianchi labels is not the same machine.

Interesting geometry for a frame so well liked. To tube was long, though the wheel base not 14miles long........acheived by using close to a 74 degree headtube angle. How far we have come........maybe....

[va_tick]

Tim, you would'nt remeber what the wheel base was for those bikes would you?

[trialsin usa]

I don't remember what the wheelbase was....funny, way back then <smirk> no one cared too much about wheel base. However, I do still have one of those frames kicking around.... I can through a fork in it and measure it...... back in a few.......

[trialsin usa]

well, quick measure (no head set installed and random fork grabbed.... and just eyeballed)....you ready?.... 1020. Now remember, with a 74 degree (or so) headtube angle, the wheelbase will be short but the top tube reletively long. You engineer people can figure out what the wheelbase would be if the headtube angle was 71 degrees... I am actually pretty curious.

[RomanC]

At one point in time (2002 time frame) I was pretty excited about Brisas as that was one of the first affordable trials bikes in US (megamo and monty were much more expensive). To some extent I am baffeled why they never changed the frame geo to keep with the current trend and basically ran aground.

[Trialsking]

I was wondering about sidehoping with Brisa...it seems to me that the too low bb is a problem if you want to go high.anyone got any experience?
Back to the point of the thread. Judge by this picture if you can sidehop on a brisa, back from the 2000 Sea Otter, Nelson Reis:
http://www.biketrials.com/comp/SeaOtter-2000/Practice-Nelson.jpg

[vulkun]

I wonder how he made it in the sand but...great:)

[toyota200x]

At one point in time (2002 time frame) I was pretty excited about Brisas as that was one of the first affordable trials bikes in US (megamo and monty were much more expensive). To some extent I am baffeled why they never changed the frame geo to keep with the current trend and basically ran aground.

:) It makes me happy to know brisa's were once in demand. I wish the company would eather close or make some new stuff and get their act together.

[reine]

.... the one that was the most popular and liked was the square downtube model, the current one sold under the Kleivard/Bianchi labels is not the same machine.

Interesting geometry for a frame so well liked. To tube was long, though the wheel base not 14miles long........acheived by using close to a 74 degree headtube angle. How far we have come........maybe....

Now that you mention it I remember the headtube angle was very steep compared to others! I kinda liked it. Funny that it seems the old Ilions frame is more appreciated in the US than on home ground, at least that's what it sounds like from you =) You should sneak the geo specs and have someone build a frame just like it, except for the paintjob. As you might know Crescent is an old manufacturer of "regular" bikes and that orange color is highly associated with "old lady bikes" or what you should call it, and doesn't feel too hip on a trialsbike.. =)

[lucky13]

There is a local rider in victoria named mike bentham, some of the olders riders may remember him. He used to ride for brisa awhile ago (is brisa still in business?) Anyhow, I still can't get over the countless number of brisa frames, forks, stems, bars that he broke. He even broke a king headset from the forks breaking so many times. I've never seen anyone break so many parts, and mike is not a hackish rider. I had two brisa's both broke withen a week, and both could have their headsets installed with your hands and no grease or tools. Although there is a lot of brisa bashing going on today, it doesn't seem they've existed for awhile. It wasn't that long ago that they were the latest and greatest with the netweb world.

:werd:

Long ago, in a trials world far far away,..






Brazil?

[Sondre]

I know a guy in Norway who has a Crescent Illions bike.. Hasnt tried it but seen pictures of it : ) Looks good for sure..

Actually, he is selling it now...

[Matt Staples]

you can ride anything. brisas are shit for other reasons than geo.

in answer to the question though, brisas strong points fo sure don't include sidehoping. but for some things, like gaps, it rapes short c/s bikes.:ugh: