View Full Version : TYPES OF BODY BUILD OF BIKE TRIAL COMPETITORS
http://www.biketrial.pl/?page_id=23
eturt9
03-09-2006, 11:07 AM
interesting. A little difficult to understand some of it. I got out that stock riders are usually taller than mod riders. haha
LanceT
03-09-2006, 02:24 PM
Looked to me like they said mod riders are more muscular based on the fact that the bike allows for a greater range of body motion.
Anyone else.
Patrick
03-09-2006, 03:20 PM
looks like you can pull whatever you want from the data. rav has his theory
jamesb
03-09-2006, 03:58 PM
Stock riders are skinnier, taller, and less muscular. Look at Vincent Hermance compared to Benito Ross...it is very easy to see.
MegamoMidwest
03-09-2006, 04:28 PM
Stock riders are skinnier, taller, and less muscular.
thats me!
Cryo-Cube
03-09-2006, 04:44 PM
probably a good read (heavent read it yet)
but i think 3 things in trials fuck up statistics that deal with body-type and what bike they ride.
1. social peer pressure:
If most people in your surrounding area ride stock for instance, people who get into the sport will probably stick to what the others ride->stock, thus throwing the statistics off.
Benito for instance, he aint small, but like 80% of the riders in Spain ride mod. So thats probably the main reason why he rides stock in the first place, his enviroment.
2.
A lot of people start on a mod because they are told or think that its easyer to learn on it -> once you start with a mod, chances are pretty high that you keep stay with it even though it has nothing to do with your bodytype.
3. smaller people (can) gain muscle mass like bigger people.
Since their bodys are smaller, gaining for instance 1kg of muscle will result in them looking way more exercised and packed then a bigger guy. They will have a higher body weight/ muscle ratio too.
For instance, a 2m big guy will need to gain lets say 20kg of muscle mass to have the same bodyweight/muscle ratio and look of a 1,7m big guy that only gained 10kg.
Conclusion of this is. A smaller person doing a sport will look more muscular/packed then a longer bigger dude doing the same sports. (one of the reasons why almost all body builder champs are quite small. 30kg pure muscle mass looks bigger on a 170cm big guy then on a 195cm big dude)
MIKE1968
03-09-2006, 06:33 PM
Stock riders are skinnier, taller, and less muscular. Look at Vincent Hermance compared to Benito Ross...it is very easy to see.
:hsugh:
ben@slctrials.com
03-09-2006, 06:41 PM
TRA----Big ,Muscular-----Stock
Jeremy V.-------skinny---Stock
so i really don't think it matters. just ride whatever you think its fun
AndyT
03-09-2006, 07:16 PM
TRA is big and muscular now? He was pretty normal sized last time I was around him.
Vincent is a giant compared to benito, and no he isn't tall and skinny.
I thought TRA was pretty skinny personally.
Trials riders = little skinny geeky bitches studying engineering.
jamesb
03-09-2006, 08:03 PM
3. smaller people (can) gain muscle mass like bigger people.
Since their body's are smaller, gaining for instance 1kg of muscle will result in them looking way more exercised and packed then a bigger guy. They will have a higher body weight/ muscle ratio too.
For instance, a 2m big guy will need to gain lets say 20kg of muscle mass to have the same bodyweight/muscle ratio and look of a 1,7m big guy that only gained 10kg.
Conclusion of this is. A smaller person doing a sport will look more muscular/packed then a longer bigger dude doing the same sports. (one of the reasons why almost all body builder champs are quite small. 30kg pure muscle mass looks bigger on a 170cm big guy then on a 195cm big dude)
Very good point, I didn't think about that. Vince probably has just as much muscle as Benito, but because he is taller it doesn't stick out as much. Is that right? I guess it is spring that matters anyways, not bulk.
I have only seen them in videos so that is what I am basing this on.
I am 5'7" so I am one of the shorter stock riders.
Acolyte
03-09-2006, 08:04 PM
CLS anyone? Tall and thin, and on a mod.
Looks tall and thin, anyway.
ben@slctrials.com
03-09-2006, 08:10 PM
TRA is big and muscular now? He was pretty normal sized last time I was around him.
Vincent is a giant compared to benito, and no he isn't tall and skinny.
humm...TRA not big and burly? i've always thought he looks pretty big in his vids, but it might just be his moves:dunno:
and no matter how skinny and geeky Trials riders get, rodies will always have us beat..
AndyT
03-09-2006, 08:16 PM
TRA is like 5'11 180-5... People on the internet seem to thing he is 6'3 240. He also talks like a female british computer.
Vince is like twice as big as benito. I love it...people attempting to state facts then saying "of course i've only seen videos". Benito is teeeeeeeeeeenie but compact, where are you guys getting these ideas of him being huge? Vince is just like 6' and isn't skinny what so ever.
jamesb
03-09-2006, 08:58 PM
Maybe seeing Benito on that tiny mod bike makes him look huge. I always thought Vince was super skinny like CLS. Again, it could be the big bike making him look small. I would have to see them side-by-side to really tell.
AndyT, you are lucky to have ridden with them...I can only imagine.
free_rideman
03-09-2006, 09:08 PM
I don't agree with that study. It is not like one thinks of his body that much before one buys a bike. Maybe you think if you really are fat and heavy, because then you need stronger parts, ie: cranks, rims, etc. But when you are buying a bike you choose something that you think feels better, or something that you know you like. Especially since there are so many parts out there, that either a stock or mod bike, could be set up to fit any types of riders.
I think.
AndyT
03-09-2006, 09:15 PM
Maybe seeing Benito on that tiny mod bike makes him look huge. I always thought Vince was super skinny like CLS. Again, it could be the big bike making him look small. I would have to see them side-by-side to really tell.
AndyT, you are lucky to have ridden with them...I can only imagine.
Nothing to do with luck, you could ride with anyone if you wanted to. You are still young, don't put anyone up on a pedastal they are just like you...nothing godly about anyone.
Indeed, apart from Lance Armstrong.
:hsugh:
jamesb
03-09-2006, 10:23 PM
Indeed, apart from Lance Armstrong.
:hsugh:
He is insane! Amazing story he has. Very inspiring.
I have never seen professional riding in person. I do not think of them as above everyone else, it is just that actually seeing them ride would be such an inspiration to me...so much better than in vids.
sicterallowishus
03-09-2006, 10:45 PM
I thought TRA was pretty skinny personally.
Trials riders = little skinny geeky bitches studying engineering.
:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: so true it kills
AndyT
03-09-2006, 10:49 PM
He is insane! Amazing story he has. Very inspiring.
I have never seen professional riding in person. I do not think of them as above everyone else, it is just that actually seeing them ride would be such an inspiration to me...so much better than in vids.
:ugh: fuck lance armstrong.
:ugh: fuck lance armstrong.
Thats why hsugh was hiding in the bottom corner. ;)
mcdub
03-09-2006, 11:36 PM
Who ever thinks Benito is a viking.Think again.
DangerousDave
03-10-2006, 11:10 AM
Cesar, short but pretty built=mod
Dani, massive=mod
Caisso, 5'4??=stock
Rafal Kumoroski from videos seem to be very tall and lanky..
AndyT
03-10-2006, 12:44 PM
Thats why hsugh was hiding in the bottom corner. ;)
I knows, i was talking about james b :)
"oh noes i shot roids into my balls now i have cancer, every be sad for me :wtc: :wtc: oh livestrong :wtc: :wtc: hey i'm going to be a huge asshole and divorce my wife who stayed wtih me through everything because i'm a roadie dick :wtc: "
Giant1118
03-10-2006, 01:30 PM
I knows, i was talking about james b :)
"oh noes i shot roids into my balls now i have cancer, every be sad for me :wtc: :wtc: oh livestrong :wtc: :wtc: hey i'm going to be a huge asshole and divorce my wife who stayed wtih me through everything because i'm a roadie dick :wtc: "
pretty much sums it up
I agree 100%, I think one of my first posts on OTN was "Lance Armstrong is a big bag of douche" or something along those lines.
Ra964
03-10-2006, 03:13 PM
sorry for the off topic, but this crossed my mind: when vince or benito watches vids of other riders it goes like hmm that i can do, yeah that`s easy, so on and so forth, but when we look at vids with them it goes like wow, i can`t do that, hmm i`l try hard to do-it today
Cesar, short but pretty built=mod
Dani, massive=mod
Caisso, 5'4??=stock
Rafal Kumoroski from videos seem to be very tall and lanky..
Apart from Kumorowski I agree...
I think that Lance T dimensions would completely fuck up this theory but in fact he's only one who ride 5 days a week ;-D.
Milton Burl
03-10-2006, 08:27 PM
:bowrofl: He also talks like a female british computer.
Not sure why thats so funny....any audio by chance.
slctrials.com
03-10-2006, 10:08 PM
Shape is relative....
For instance, compared to me you are all probably weak looking and considerably ugly, and still many of you ride stock just as I do???:nuts:
free_rideman
03-10-2006, 10:21 PM
The weirdest thing happend today. My friend has an alibongo (I posted pics of it a while back). Well I have ridden it for a while, but today I road my old bmx bike that I "converted" to trials. Guess what? The bmx bike actually felt better than the Alibongo.
The ironic thing is that my friend is tall, and he likes stock, but I am small and bigger and I like mod bike feel. This kind of ties in with the article.
so now I am thinking of either getting a 24" trial bike, or a mod!!
So now I think size has to do with what one feels better on.
my friend is tall, and he likes stock, but I am small and bigger.
:eek3:
free_rideman
03-10-2006, 10:56 PM
:rofl: Sorry! I meant that he is tall and skinny while, I am short and fat. :wiggle:
Tanner
03-11-2006, 12:33 AM
Dani Comas on mod.
LanceT
03-11-2006, 02:50 PM
I think a body type study is very difficult to do for trials because, for many people, trials is just a hobby or an activity. It isn't really viewed as a competitive sport by the majority of riders, (in the US for sure) because it just isn't big enough. It's more of an intellectual exercise with some physical activity added in that seems to get attention from the odd passer-by.
What I am trying to say is that if trials was somehow really lucrative and successful, I think you would see a very specific range of athletic builds at the highest levels, just like in many other sports. But it is too solitary and too difficult to attract a large population of athletes. You ride the bike by yourself, you look at the ground, and you move very slowly. It definitely isn't going to suit the core American mentaltiy of speed and aggression.
Anyway, if the gymnasts that I work with rode trials, it would be a whole new ballgame, so to speak. We just did some physical testing in the show and several of the guys did a pretty casual (not 100 percent) standing long jump that measured 120-130 cm. Give it a try if you like. It is rediculous what these guys can do. If they knew how to ride a bike it would be incredible.
But I'm not sweating it because I had the strongest grip out of all 80 artists. I thought the trapeze would kill everyone, but apparently not. I guess grip is good for trials...maybe if you're crashing?
Anyway, since it was mentioned, I am 6 ft. 195lbs. and have been riding stock for 12 years. I rode a mod for about a week when trialsin Tim gave me a Megamo a while back. But Jeff told me I would never really get sponsored if I didn't ride stock. He was right. But I actually liked it better, if I recall correctly. At least more than my Schwinn xc frame.
Good night and good luck.
AndyT
03-11-2006, 03:39 PM
Shape is relative....
For instance, compared to me you are all probably weak looking and considerably ugly, and still many of you ride stock just as I do???:nuts:
coming from an asian :rofl:
:)
AndyT
03-11-2006, 03:40 PM
I think a body type study is very difficult to do for trials because, for many people, trials is just a hobby or an activity. It isn't really viewed as a competitive sport by the majority of riders, (in the US for sure) because it just isn't big enough. It's more of an intellectual exercise with some physical activity added in that seems to get attention from the odd passer-by.
What I am trying to say is that if trials was somehow really lucrative and successful, I think you would see a very specific range of athletic builds at the highest levels, just like in many other sports. But it is too solitary and too difficult to attract a large population of athletes. You ride the bike by yourself, you look at the ground, and you move very slowly. It definitely isn't going to suit the core American mentaltiy of speed and aggression.
Anyway, if the gymnasts that I work with rode trials, it would be a whole new ballgame, so to speak. We just did some physical testing in the show and several of the guys did a pretty casual (not 100 percent) standing long jump that measured 120-130 cm. Give it a try if you like. It is rediculous what these guys can do. If they knew how to ride a bike it would be incredible.
But I'm not sweating it because I had the strongest grip out of all 80 artists. I thought the trapeze would kill everyone, but apparently not. I guess grip is good for trials...maybe if you're crashing?
Anyway, since it was mentioned, I am 6 ft. 195lbs. and have been riding stock for 12 years. I rode a mod for about a week when trialsin Tim gave me a Megamo a while back. But Jeff told me I would never really get sponsored if I didn't ride stock. He was right. But I actually liked it better, if I recall correctly. At least more than my Schwinn xc frame.
Good night and good luck.
I think the level of training that goes into the trials athletes , even at the worlds top levels, is still under 50% of what gymnasts and other elite athletes have.
Bryan
03-11-2006, 04:56 PM
standing long jump 120 cm? typo? do you mean vertical jump?
Specialeded
03-11-2006, 05:03 PM
For some reason Im short and fat and ride a stock frame
Point of the story who cares.
I would rather put bicycle skills to use and put you to shame being 15lbs heavier.
HAHA
mikeschiavone
03-12-2006, 06:12 PM
Yeah Lance (armstrong, not trappe) sucks, he gets paid millions to ride his bike. Who gives a shit what his personal life is about? I don't. Don't hate the rider, hate the talent.
I think this topic also corelates to the discussions about off the bike training. If weight lifting, and subsequently physique, had a profound effect on one's riding ability then most of the elite riders would probably all have the same amount of body fat, muscle composition, etc. Sure, I think there exists an 'ideal' or 'perfect' body build for trials, but I think that won't mean much if you don't reach a certain threshold of skill capability. All in all, based on the physiques of last years eight Elite riders from the World Championships, you don't have to be built any special way to be one of the best...
AndyT
03-12-2006, 08:02 PM
Yeah Lance (armstrong, not trappe) sucks, he gets paid millions to ride his bike. Who gives a shit what his personal life is about? I don't. Don't hate the rider, hate the talent.
I think this topic also corelates to the discussions about off the bike training. If weight lifting, and subsequently physique, had a profound effect on one's riding ability then most of the elite riders would probably all have the same amount of body fat, muscle composition, etc. Sure, I think there exists an 'ideal' or 'perfect' body build for trials, but I think that won't mean much if you don't reach a certain threshold of skill capability. All in all, based on the physiques of last years eight Elite riders from the World Championships, you don't have to be built any special way to be one of the best...
:werd: he totally sucks.
LanceT
03-12-2006, 08:52 PM
Sorry, I meant 120-130 inches standing long jump.
I don't mean to be negative but, if you could make millions of dollars riding trials i think you would see a whole new level.
AndyT
03-12-2006, 08:53 PM
Sorry, I meant 120-130 inches standing long jump.
I don't mean to be negative but, if you could make millions of dollars riding trials i think you would see a whole new level.
:werd:
maybe someday :hsugh:
jaimer
03-12-2006, 08:59 PM
lance armstrong = douche bag
cancer hasn't hindered my riding ability or anything else i do, hes a phony a big fat phony
Bryan
03-12-2006, 09:11 PM
Werd. Money would help, and I think as long as you aren't really fat somatotype is not going to slow you down too much. I have a 125 inch standing long jump and I suck at trials. Technique and balance are everything. Ultimately the only factors that are going to have any effect on how you ride are- your bike, who you ride with, your practice methods, and most importantly, how much you practice.
lance armstrong = douche bag
cancer hasn't hindered my riding ability or anything else i do, hes a phony a big fat phony
You alluded to having cancer a little while back, you really have it? If so what type? I would be keen to hear about it, if you dont want to post here thats cool.
Did I just sound like I was asking about a bike?
jaimer
03-13-2006, 03:01 PM
yes i really had it , over it completely now it was luekemia (not sure how to spell it)
Good to hear man. Cheers.
trialsn
03-13-2006, 09:29 PM
....who cares what size you are?
it was kind of interesting to read...but i really could care less if people who ride stock are skinnier then people who ride mod. i can prove that theory wrong right now. 2 years ago when i went to OTS in bethany there was this HUGE rider who rode stock. looked like he could crush my skull with his eyebrow.
meh
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