the fakie manual

[AndyT]

who here has done them :hsd: Something about the pedaling fucks me up every time.

[mcdub]

I dont bother with that lamesause stuff,I leave that to quebec city.

Funny thing I was riding skatepark on a xtp last night going up quarters...

[AndyT]

I dont bother with that lamesause stuff,I leave that to quebec city.

Funny thing I was riding skatepark on a xtp last night going up quarters...

:ugh:

[mcdub]

:run:

[Giant1118]

you just have to keep steady tension in the chain as u backpedal. That being said I cant do them for shit.

[chronic]

I can get half a pedal stroke and then when my feet are level and I just fuck up and drop the front.
I cannot do them...

[Matt Staples]

:naughty:

only thing i can say is lean back with confidence.

[AgrAde]

i found them way easier when i concentrated on keeping my arse back and low, it made my legs more bent. with your legs more bent you can keep yourself more steady and keep the pedal pressure more constant.

keep in mind i'm useless at them too.

[BrettM]

I don't know if Akrigg does them in a trials gear all the time or not, but it is easier to learn in a harder "street" type gear. Something you wouldn't pedal kick in. In a trials gear it is easy to put too much force on the pedals that will instantly ruin it.

The whole key to it I found was training your bad foot forward leg to rotate backwards with simialar force to your good foot. I always fucked them up with my bad leg. Its kind of like learning to ride with either foot forward. It just takes some time.

I'm no Akrigg by any stretch, but I can do a couple things using this technique. Its not for the impatient. I think being British helps things somehow.

[AgrAde]

The whole key to it I found was training your bad foot forward leg to rotate backwards with simialar force to your good foot. I always fucked them up with my bad leg. Its kind of like learning to ride with either foot forward. It just takes some time.

did you just practice the fakie manual like hell to get your bad foot behaving?

[madbiker66]

I think being British helps things somehow.

I'm afraid not :(

[trialsn]

lol i dont even know what a fakie manual is...

[trauma100]

lol i dont even know what a fakie manual is...like your own3rs manual........... only different

[mikeschiavone]

I'm not that good at them (at all) but it's easier for ME if do them off of a curb- I guess it helps with the whole weight transition thing?

[digby]

the name FAKIE manual implies there is no pedaling. Ive seen chad degroot do this over a few few tennis courts in lenght. But he has a freecoaster hub, the trick there is to keep all your weight on the back pedal so the hub doesnt engage. I'm guessing the mtn bikers that do this shift over onto a few cassette washers in which case youcan keep your weight on both pedals.

[AndyT]

nah they pedal digby- mike wtf do you meanoff a curb...you are going backwards towards a curb then pull your front wheel up and go off it? :hsugh:

I guess nomenclature its more of a fakie wheelie? Something.

[rush]

Seriously, I have never seen a fakie manual. How the fuck? Im so out of the loop :wtc:

[trialsn]

Seriously, I have never seen a fakie manual. How the fuck? Im so out of the loop :wtc:

me too :wtc:

[Peace]

you just dont know you HAVE seen em. You must have seen those akrigg clips where he is manualling backward but pedalling with it to keep chaintension and help keep your front wheel off the ground.

They are fuck off hard, ive done maybe 3-4 pedal strokes (backwards of course) i find it easier learning them on a slope.... i get what mike means by having his front wheel on a curb so its easier to get the front wheel up... but im not sure if that will teach you bad habits or not.

Anyway its one of those fucking hard moves that look cool but definitely dont help you get up things...

Who can do switch pedal ups onto decent sized objects (more than a gutter or a couple of pallets)

Peace

[hydroboy]

mike wtf do you meanoff a curb...you are going backwards towards a curb then pull your front wheel up and go off it? :hsugh:

im pretty sure he means abubica / blunt / fufanu / rear wheel stall to fakie off the curb, i cant do them for shit, but it kind of automaticly happens when you do it like that, atleast for like a half pedal rotation.

[Peace]

ha didnt think about that... im with alex on what mike means... not my tard idea.

[BrettM]

the name FAKIE manual implies there is no pedaling.

Haha. The word fakie implies that you are going backwards. The words no pedaling would imply no pedaling.

[Boo_Berry]

uhhh yea, i can barely manual as it is... but the whole idea of going fakie anything is pretty impossible for me. landing fakie on skis while in the park scares the shit out of me (even with twintips). but wasn't there a vid with a guy doing it, while pedals backwards i think? i've done it like once unintentionally, but for maybe a foot, then i fell... hard :(

[MIKE1968]

well its 11 pm and i already rode today, but i'm going to go out again and try to learn it. I have to put pants on its sooooooo cold :wavey:

[CoppellStereo]

the way i practice them is to bring the front tire up to something about 1.5 ft and push off it to go backwards, and keeping tension on the chain is key, if not, your pedals will spin around and most likely you will fall off backwards

[guumer]

well its 11 pm i'm going to go out again and try to learn it. I have to put pants on its sooooooo cold :wavey: i rode today at like 11 also but u hade on snow pants a snow had and evru thing els and still got cold . i hate you all in the warm right now

[MIKE1968]

the way i practice them is to bring the front tire up to something about 1.5 ft and push off it to go backwards, and keeping tension on the chain is key, if not, your pedals will spin around and most likely you will fall off backwards

erm...if I keep tension on the pedals i just start doing a wheelie. I'm suprized you can do them?

[digby]

Haha. The word fakie implies that you are going backwards. The words no pedaling would imply no pedaling.

DAMNT, I meant manual. I'm seriously retarted.

[CoppellStereo]

erm...if I keep tension on the pedals i just start doing a wheelie. I'm suprized you can do them?

well i cant do them that well, but ive practised them enough to give a few pointers of what ive learned.

well when pushing off something, it is easier to keep the tension without going forwards, and like someone else said, stay low, and knees bent, when doing all those i had better success than when not doing those things. everytime i didnt have tension on the pedals, my pedals would spin too fast backwards

[Peace]

i just put the slightest amount of tension on the chain when i can feel my front wheel start to drop... other than that you just try to be infront of the rotation speed only marginally...

[MIKE1968]

Dang I must be the last one here to learn it; you guys can all do it for 10-20 yards easy?...not just 4-5 feet like every one can.

[modtire]

Speed. I know this might not be what you are looking for since you want to use this in a trialsy sense because it is the most useful move ever, but I learned 180ing into them at speed on a BMX bike and it just sorta happens. The big gear doesn't hurt either. Momentum will keep the pedals where they need to be. Once you get the feel you can slow it down, theoretically.

[Matt Staples]

mikes right. its best to try them on landing a blunt/abubica. just try to be really forceful and harsh on the landing, so even though you have alot of tension/weight on your lead foot the momentum drives your foot to rotate.

you need to fall off 5-10 times, to have any idea how far you can push it.:p

[MIKE1968]

I can do it for a little bit out of an abubuca but nothing like I want to (say you are on the rear wheel facing up a hill- you just let go of your brakes and start going backwards)...

[BrettM]

Dang I must be the last one here to learn it; you guys can all do it for 10-20 yards easy?...not just 4-5 feet like every one can.

I've already explained what a fakie is. I don't want to have to explain how long 10 yards is and that no one is doing them that long.

[big nd]

:greddy:

[Jamis]

Rargh! I'm back from the wilderness of maine and I'm in CO now!! (though my bike is still in maine)...:wtc:

Could we get a video of this somehow? I'm trying to think of how you'd ever manage to balance a bike on the back with yer feet on the pedals and I just can't imagine it being a sane thing to do... I'm guessing you all mean something like this... only on the pedals.... and not scuffing but just rolling... (I took the following from www.bmxtrix.com):

http://nemosites.com/backwards_wheelie.mov

but damn, I've never even been in that position before because I usually just bail before the freewheel catches and I smash my coccyx...

err i guess it would be easier with a higher gear ratio though since you don't have to back pedal quite as fast for a given speed.

[MIKE1968]

I've already explained what a fakie is. I don't want to have to explain how long 10 yards is and that no one is doing them that long.

Yeah no one can do them....except for the only people I've seen doing them in the videos...more like 5-6 yards but they run out of room in the moves so I assume they can go for longer...(akkers, the other kid sponsored by tarty who does the front flips...)


bmxers can do it longer, I have seen it...but its not like we do them- coaster hub style.

[BrettM]

Well its great of you to assume they can easily do them twice as far as what they put in a video. I always thought most people put their best shit in a video. How wrong I am I guess.

I'm well aware what the bmx crowd is up to and it isn't this in this particular style.

[oicdn]

http://www.eengoedidee.nl/videoz/bike-trials/dannyclip2.mpg
Danny Macaskil


"non-BMX" Fakie manual

[Stikman]

Easy Brett, he did say "assume".

The longer ones I've seen in vids (akkers ones in Europa) have all been slightly downhill. I reckon this would be the best way to learn.

My probelm is touching the rear brake when the nose drops, to bring it up again. It does bring the front wheel up, but it messes with my pedal rotation, and I bail.
Guess I gotta take my brake off to learn properly.

[BrettM]

I'm not going from that post, but from one above where 10-20 yards easily was what was said.

[MIKE1968]

Brett you love to start pointless shit :)


In every video of anyone I've seen doing it, they run out of room. No one is going to put a video of them just going backwards in a video. Its always 3-4 moves linked together...they never look like they are going to lose control or anything, but they run out of room or are at the spot that they need to do the next move.

[BrettM]

I've never seen anyone that runs out of room in such a great state that they could do a whole lot more tho. I guess if you want to count hills thats cool, but I personally don't for my own reason. If you want to count a hill than 10 yards is easily attainable for these guys I'm sure. I guess one or both of us should have been clearer.

[MIKE1968]

yeah, sorry everything I've seen has been on a hill...pretty sure you would run out of speed on a flat run.


I've almost given up on them, impossible for me :wtc: Watching graham tap something 60+ inches tonight made me want a long bike again.

[guumer]

your bike is long

[fizzmahon]

Isnt andy's zhi short?

[guumer]

no I think it is long

[Giant1118]

60+ inches??? videozzzz???

[AndyT]

My bicycle is short. I will try to make a video before koxx days to see if my video camera still works, but fuck if i know...last time I used it it wouldn't film, then i got it to work, then it wouldn't work on my computer :/

probably wouldn't be a good thing to show up a koxx days with a non working video camera.

[fizzmahon]

You would get raped, not that you wont anyways.

[AndyT]

:ugh:

[Giant1118]

My bicycle is short. I will try to make a video before koxx days to see if my video camera still works, but fuck if i know...last time I used it it wouldn't film, then i got it to work, then it wouldn't work on my computer :/

probably wouldn't be a good thing to show up a koxx days with a non working video camera.

might be a good idea, i can think of a few people looking forward to a new video...koxx.fr for one

[rush]

:momaru:

[AndyT]

if any fags in FTC wanted to ride today I would make a movie. But its only 70 degrees outside, and tomorrow it will be snowing all day. yeah bad time to ride. :greddy:

[fizzmahon]

70 degree's and no one wants to ride! c'mon! its like 36 degrees over here (Toronto)

[guumer]

it was nice here today and lasterday dan and me rode in t shirt and a sweter today. it was like -1 or -2

[rush]

New word!!! "Lasterday" A cross between yesterday and last week. :eek3:

[trauma100]

"last lasterday my Nanna made me a dope Sweter..... it waz ballz ...so I kissed her with Tongue"

[guumer]

its sweet eh?

[Giant1118]

Donny makes up words...u get used to it

[guumer]

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