View Full Version : The Hetsink pads...
Den_from_Kiev
03-04-2006, 02:53 PM
http://www.smotri.te.ua/images/items.1141504525.b.jpg
http://www.smotri.te.ua/images/items.1141504483.b.jpg
http://www.smotri.te.ua/images/items.1141504565.b.jpg
What can you say about this?
Posting pictures on the internet is always the best way to get a good response from a manufacturer. /sarcasm
Why dont you just speak to them instead of making a thread on a forum?
trauma100
03-04-2006, 03:09 PM
Posting pictures on the internet is always the best way to get a good response from a manufacturertalk to Steve at heatsink... that backing problem has been fixed
so? thats why they make the metal backings.
by showing a broken plastic backing you are essentially promoting heatsink products.
Den_from_Kiev
03-04-2006, 03:24 PM
This pads very well they impede,But I do not understand why they broke!!!
WhiteRavenKS
03-04-2006, 04:43 PM
i do not understand why you posted this. people need to stop having their first reaction to broken goods being a thread on the internet. sort your shit out with the company first before you go tattle on the product to everyone. so basically, what rush said.
alain_yong@hotmail.com
03-06-2006, 10:38 AM
i do not understand why you posted this. people need to stop having their first reaction to broken goods being a thread on the internet. sort your shit out with the company first before you go tattle on the product to everyone. so basically, what rush said.
I think his reaction is perfectly valid. I mean, it might be one off, but at least now i can mental note that the backings break.
Sometimes, consumers need to stand up in whatever way they can. Trials manufacturers are charging us premium prices, such as $100+ rigid forks, and using us as guinea pigs. Don't get me started on the trials cranks... I remember being a kid and having to save up money to buy nice shit for my bike. If you pay $200 for a pair of cranks, they'd better be tough!
This will remind manufacturers and trials companies to do their R&D first. It's too easy to blame Chinese manufacturing/quality when it's the companies that contract them out that skip on the R&D. I wonder how many iterations a company goes through before putting a product out on the market.
Dare to challenge the company to make a better product!
raimund-aut
03-06-2006, 10:46 AM
This problem occured only on the very first pads. The backings broke because of a too aggressive degreasing method. Heatsink has improved the degreasing and glueing of the pads and now the backings will not break anymore.
By the way, I just built up my bike with the CNC backings and the brandnew red compound. I have never had a better and stiffer brake response :yum: :yum: :yum:
This problem occured only on the very first pads. The backings broke because of a too aggressive degreasing method. Heatsink has improved the degreasing and glueing of the pads and now the backings will not break anymore.
By the way, I just built up my bike with the CNC backings and the brandnew red compound. I have never had a better and stiffer brake response :yum: :yum: :yum:
What rim do you use? And do you grind it?
raimund-aut
03-06-2006, 11:32 AM
Echo 06 with only little grind
I don't think they're edible.
I think his reaction is perfectly valid. I mean, it might be one off, but at least now i can mental note that the backings break.
Sometimes, consumers need to stand up in whatever way they can. Trials manufacturers are charging us premium prices, such as $100+ rigid forks, and using us as guinea pigs. Don't get me started on the trials cranks... I remember being a kid and having to save up money to buy nice shit for my bike. If you pay $200 for a pair of cranks, they'd better be tough!
This will remind manufacturers and trials companies to do their R&D first. It's too easy to blame Chinese manufacturing/quality when it's the companies that contract them out that skip on the R&D. I wonder how many iterations a company goes through before putting a product out on the market.
Dare to challenge the company to make a better product!
I totally agree, what I dont agree with is posting shit in a forum to try and get yourself heard. That should be a last ditch response. All well and good to do it after you have spoken to the company, until then, shut the fuck up and stop whining (not directed at you, just generally).
Anon.
03-06-2006, 06:46 PM
This problem occured only on the very first pads. The backings broke because of a too aggressive degreasing method. Heatsink has improved the degreasing and glueing of the pads and now the backings will not break anymore.
By the way, I just built up my bike with the CNC backings and the brandnew red compound. I have never had a better and stiffer brake response :yum: :yum: :yum:
Just make sure you carry a pair of replacement blocks of pad material and some glue with you when you go on a ride, yeah?
Y'know. Not that I'm saying that they wear quickly, from the pads I saw from a certain rider who ragged through about half the material in one ride.
No doubt someone will post after me with "Problem solved"? If so, the only legit. way the problem's been solved is by selling Coust material...
dkoppric
03-06-2006, 10:20 PM
Just make sure you carry a pair of replacement blocks of pad material and some glue with you when you go on a ride, yeah?
that is really rediculous. you shouldnt have to carry glue and pad material because your pads cant stay together for a ride. from the people i have known for a long time, not through the internet, it seems a general consensus that heat sinks arent worth the hype.
"clean your rims. rough up the pads. grind your rim every two weeks. "
these arent normal procedures to keeping a brake set working. pads should be put on a bike. cleaned every once in a while, and they should work fine.
you will have to grind your rim every once in a while no matter what pad you use though.
tomacropod
03-07-2006, 01:35 AM
that is really rediculous. you shouldnt have to carry glue and pad material because your pads cant stay together for a ride. from the people i have known for a long time, not through the internet, it seems a general consensus that heat sinks arent worth the hype.
"clean your rims. rough up the pads. grind your rim every two weeks. "
these arent normal procedures to keeping a brake set working. pads should be put on a bike. cleaned every once in a while, and they should work fine.
you will have to grind your rim every once in a while no matter what pad you use though.
Anon was being sarcastic for one thing.
for another thing, taking the glaze off a new set of pads is standard practice. Clean(ish) rims are standard practice. Grinding the rear rim with a regularity proportional to the use of the rear brake is standard practice. This might be every 2 days or every 2 months.
- Joel
netto
03-07-2006, 01:46 AM
Anon was being sarcastic for one thing.
for another thing, taking the glaze off a new set of pads is standard practice. Clean(ish) rims are standard practice. Grinding the rear rim with a regularity proportional to the use of the rear brake is standard practice. This might be every 2 days or every 2 months.
- Joel
:werd:
i have heard bad things about the blue heatsink compounds, that is why they went back to the white(now red) compound for the vee brake pads.
my heatsink coust pads are amazing all condition!
if your brakes dont lock 100%, learn to ride your bike better
dkoppric
03-07-2006, 03:09 AM
:werd:
if your brakes dont lock 100%, learn to ride your bike better
anyone who has ridden my bikes knows that i like a lil slip to my brakes..
tomacropod
03-07-2006, 04:36 AM
I can ride with a little slip to my brakes and that's fine - but I prefer to ride as if I had shitty brakes, but actually have perfect lockup. I don't rely on it, but it feels really nice and gives confidence. Like my wig.
- Joel
reine
03-07-2006, 06:26 AM
[quote=dkoppric]
"clean your rims. rough up the pads. grind your rim every two weeks. "
quote]
Do you grind your rims every other week? If so, how often do you change your rim?
I think the big con with grinding is that you wear down your rim and need to change it too often.
My clear heatsink v-pads are horrible. No lockup with a fresh grind and perfectly square pads, XTR lever+SD7 calipers. Going back to bloxx and HS-33 as soon as the tempurature is above freezing. Might try a different compound for the v's nexxt winter. The CNC backings are very nice though.
trauma100
03-07-2006, 10:19 AM
Ummm... different temps will effect your pads breaking performance ...especially temps below freezing.
:edit:
please slaughter this thread before it turns into another "pads/better breaking" debate
and I think you should have a manditory 30 days in the KK for posting a pic of a broke/defective product without explaining that you contacted the Manufacturer and they said they are not going to do shit for me and told me to go piss up a tree, and trials is gay ...and real men ride roadbikes and look at kiddie porn... THEN POST A PIC! and vent and internetz rape.
As stated above... most trials components have not been tested for years and then put out... we are the guinea pigs so to speak... but if you buy a new product.... it breaks...you call the manufacturer and say hey ... *sniff* my shit broke :wtc: and they have fixed the problem and have new shit for you in the mail that day ..no questions.. props to them..... ride-enjoy .. untill then .... keep your bunched up pantys to yourself :Wavey:
Cryo-Cube
03-07-2006, 10:27 AM
My clear heatsink v-pads are horrible. No lockup with a fresh grind and perfectly square pads, XTR lever+SD7 calipers. Going back to bloxx and HS-33 as soon as the tempurature is above freezing. Might try a different compound for the v's nexxt winter. The CNC backings are very nice though.
All soft pads i´ve tried worked better with a worn out brind anyway. A fresh grind seems to be not that good for soft pads, they dont grip.
yeah, i think harder pads work better with fresh grinds (bloxx for example)
dkoppric
03-07-2006, 11:47 AM
As stated above... most trials components have not been tested for years and then put out... we are the guinea pigs so to speak... but if you buy a new product.... it breaks...you call the manufacturer and say hey ...ys to yourself :Wavey:
good point. however guinea pigs shouldnt pay $40 something per wheel to test their products for them.
Gunner
03-07-2006, 01:04 PM
^^^^^they should if when it breaks the company completely backs up there product and send a newer improved version :rant:
"clean your rims. rough up the pads. grind your rim every two weeks. "
Do you grind your rims every other week? If so, how often do you change your rim?
I think the big con with grinding is that you wear down your rim and need to change it too often.
Ive had a DX32 for at least 2 years now, maybe three. Ive ground it probably 40 or 50 times at least. If you learn how to grind properly it takes hardly any surface off the rim at all. Pm me if you want more info.
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