I really love echos quality. REALLY love it. I mean honestly, its so great. awesome.

[MIKE1968]

Finally got my ZHI built up- everything is basically brand new.


Ride it, shoulders feeling good (been doing rehab for it alot).


1 hour later, my crank is completely stripped. Brand new crank, brand new track cog.





no riding again.

ECHO FTL

[netto]

its only because you have horse legs

[Elan]

didnt see that coming, they looked like good cranks. hopefully they are jsut the lemons and not all are so gay.

[MIKE1968]

its only because you have horse legs

I know, I'm blaming it on squats and deadlifts :wtc:


I guess a 110 pound azn quality doesn't stand up to 180 lbs of american beef :wtc:






just kind of wanted to ride the bicycle :/

[Peace]

turn them into knifes and send em back to deng with a "nice" note :)

[trauma100]

Dude....... that blows ..... get some beeteeez!!!

[MIKE1968]

Anyways for the hour or so that I got to ride, the ZHI felt great. A little short, but it is the 1060- its longer than the pitbull 1060 I had prior to this frame. Very stiff, had no problems...


was just getting used to it and doing a big gap, every time my cranks would turn and nothing would happen...I figured it was still setting in, I keep trying the gap and blamo. Turned a fixed track cog into a moving useless piece of metal on worthless cranks.

[chronic]

That sucks dude.

A buddy of mine is ordering all new echo components for his rig. Hopefully they're not all awful cranks.

[ronan_zj]

what ?? ur crank is broken?
my Zoo! is ok, me, a 200lb AZN guy.

[toyota200x]

Lets see some pics of the broken cranks. Can you get your money back. Was there a warrenty?

[jaimer]

if it just happens to be a messed up crank it seems like they have alot of messed up parts cuz there have been other complaints of things breaking really easy before, gets me wondering??

[guumer]

ok jaime thay sell alot of stuff and almost evry one is happy and some arnt go buy 1,ooo$ frames insted of 500 ones if you want quality

[jaimer]

screw that, im jsut saying it seems like they have alot of defected ones, you dont have to get all pissy.

[guumer]

i was not all pissy

[Mr_Penut]

pwned

[Mr_Penut]

:Owned:

[Mr_Penut]

:hsugh:

[mcdub]

WTF.

You need some middleburns andy,they support my 170 pound canadian lardass.

[Elan]

middleburns ar where its at..and try-alls that fit on the bb.

[ronan_zj]

get BONZ~~ or ECHO new CRANK made in 7075 alu

[Mr_Penut]

burnz

race face lasted 2 years?

[Anon.]

Someone in the UK raped the ISIS interface on the new cranks too.

So, that's the Echo cranks that don't appear to be all that great, the hub they released that they took off the market... Just gotta wait for more people to chance their luck with the other parts I guess ;)

[ronan_zj]

.......... poor products now?

[Anon.]

Their frame and fork history hasn't exactly been shit-hot, and their old cranks used to strip pretty much anything that looked like a thread within 2 miles. Just not so keen on them, really. Some of their stuff this year looked really good, but it's just not really lived up to the amount of hype generated, "IMO".

[MIKE1968]

burnz

race face lasted 2 years?

race face lasted indefinitely. Greatest cranks ever, I had them for what 4 years?? No sign of fatigue, with 4 years of that being ground down to poo. Should've kept them...I'm sure the gentleman who bought them is happy.


1000000000x stronger than the echos, lord knows 1/3rd the weight and stiffer. Suprizing what happens when you actually put a few engineers behind a product as opposed to 20 ping pongs with computers and pictures of what a cool crank might look like.

[dkoppric]

Their frame and fork history hasn't exactly been shit-hot, and their old cranks used to strip pretty much anything that looked like a thread within 2 miles. Just not so keen on them, really. Some of their stuff this year looked really good, but it's just not really lived up to the amount of hype generated, "IMO".
I am not necessarily defending the echo name, but has anyone on here broken a Pure or Control or Team?

btw, i have been riding the first set of the Zoo isis cranks to come to america and they are still going strong after quite a long time. i have no clue how the new echo crank quality is though...

[Cole]

I know, I'm blaming it on squats and deadlifts :wtc:


I guess a 110 pound azn quality doesn't stand up to 155 lbs of american beef :wtc:






just kind of wanted to ride the bicycle :/

FIXED :)

[watrialz.hopto.org_neil]

Suprizing what happens when you actually put a few engineers behind a product as opposed to 20 ping pongs with computers
and you bought a zhi frame? :dunno:

At least you got to ride yours. :mad:
7075 or 6061?

[toyota200x]

AndyT you need to go on ebay and get yourself another set of race face cranks.:)

[Hannigan]

damn...sorry to hear...warranty?

[MIKE1968]

and you bought a zhi frame? :dunno:

At least you got to ride yours. :mad:
7075 or 6061?

I bought a ZHI frame?

[MIKE1968]

FIXED :)


:werd:


in 1999 :ugh:

[mcdub]

I bought a ZHI frame?

Oh snap!

[dudu]

pics or something
!!!!:wuteva:

[MIKE1968]

pics or something
!!!!:wuteva:


http://www.observedtrials.net/otn3/echoFTL.jpg

[fizzmahon]

that sucks. get it warranteed

[toyota200x]

Man that is to bad that happened Andy. You should go middle school and get some Race Face DH cranks.:hsugh: :D

[birdman]

ping pongs!

:bowrofl:

[JK]

Was this a surly track cog you used?

[tomacropod]

I'm thinking that the new plazmatic cog is the nuts - made by white industries. The early generation surly sprockets had poor chroming which would come off the threads, creating a gap and eventually stripping it out.

- Joel

[ronan_zj]

new plazmatic cog hsa ggooood quality

[MIKE1968]

No it wasn't a surly. This stripped out in literally ~1 hour of total riding.

[rush]

:wtc:

[tomacropod]

it was an echo cog?

- Joel

[Hooha]

What gear ratio did that happen with?

[mcdub]

All in all,its a piece and is finito.

No warrenty im guessing since he got the stuff free.But who knows.

[MIKE1968]

What gear ratio did that happen with?

18-15, joel it wasn't an echo cog. I'll take a picture in a second.


I didn't get the stuff for free. This is echo, i has nothing to do with ZHI...however ZHI is making ISIS cranks :naughty:




BT contacted me and said they sell the metal insert for the crank, might have to go with that in the meantime :dunno:

[Noel]

guess what???
the same just happened to my cranks.
first night out with them and bye bye, no more treads on cranks.

[AgrAde]

fark, what pieces of crap. starting to sound like the old echo fixed hubs.

[tomacropod]

it's starting to sound like the mechanical inevitability of using long front freewheel cranks.

- Joel

[lucky13]

race face lasted indefinitely. Greatest cranks ever, I had them for what 4 years?? No sign of fatigue, with 4 years of that being ground down to poo. Should've kept them...I'm sure the gentleman who bought them is happy.


1000000000x stronger than the echos, lord knows 1/3rd the weight and stiffer. Suprizing what happens when you actually put a few engineers behind a product as opposed to 20 ping pongs with computers and pictures of what a cool crank might look like.

:werd:

[rush]

Reeoww!

[lucky13]

Reeoww!

Raht's rhat?

What was this BT steel insert you were speaking of Andy?

What about the Tensiles?

I'm running new echo cnc's,..as are most of the seattle riders... so far so good.

Otherwise I'd recomend the Bonz. They have the same manufacturing process and tollorances of Raceface.

Also Ask NETTO about his burly North Shore Billets. If those go into production soon,.. mmm mmm good.

[Anon.]

I am not necessarily defending the echo name, but has anyone on here broken a Pure or Control or Team?

btw, i have been riding the first set of the Zoo isis cranks to come to america and they are still going strong after quite a long time. i have no clue how the new echo crank quality is though...

I've heard of Teams and Pures dying. What about the ES frames? Urban? etc. The older Echo Team (now called hte Lites or whatever) died too. Stock forks did too? That's what I was getting at...

[RomanC]

This can be caused by poor machine tolerances. If the crank thread is smaller than the thread on the cog/freewheel by even a tenth of a mm, this can happen.

[RomanC]

I've heard of Teams and Pures dying. What about the ES frames? Urban? etc. The older Echo Team (now called hte Lites or whatever) died too. Stock forks did too? That's what I was getting at...

The older Echo do not really count as pretty anything from that era went bust. After 5lb frames were inroduced by KOXX and then others doing the same the failure rate has dropped dramatically.

[mistri@l]

<---->

[mistri@l]

race face lasted indefinitely. Greatest cranks ever, I had them for what 4 years?? No sign of fatigue, with 4 years of that being ground down to poo. Should've kept them...I'm sure the gentleman who bought them is happy.


1000000000x stronger than the echos, lord knows 1/3rd the weight and stiffer. Suprizing what happens when you actually put a few engineers behind a product as opposed to 20 ping pongs with computers and pictures of what a cool crank might look like.

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:
ahahah so very tru
my eccho cranks just stripped out the other day, same thing happend to me
:wuteva:

[Noel]

this has caused me to go back to me RaceFace. i wanted to get new cranks so my bike could look different.

[trialsn]

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:
ahahah so very tru
my eccho cranks just stripped out the other day, same thing happend to me
:wuteva:

no nic its just the bike cancer lol

[MIKE1968]

I'm currently riding a scavenged set of truvativ Fire X cranks :ugh: :rofl:

BT is sending me the insert for free!! Great guys!! I've never even owned any BT product and they still send me this for free just to get some working cranks...might have to support them more in the future... here is the part:


http://www.observedtrials.net/otn3/ring.jpg

[Mr_Penut]

noice

my raceface cranks were awsome untill they snapped in half. Good luck with the inserts.

[mistri@l]

I'm currently riding a scavenged set of truvativ Fire X cranks :ugh: :rofl:

BT is sending me the insert for free!! Great guys!! I've never even owned any BT product and they still send me this for free just to get some working cranks...might have to support them more in the future... here is the part:


http://www.observedtrials.net/otn3/ring.jpg


how do those work?
if ur crank is stripped out
i dont get it
:?

[mistri@l]

fark, what pieces of crap. starting to sound like the old echo fixed hubs.

you say fark too?

haha i thought i just made that up like 2 days ago.

[mistri@l]

<-->

[ronan_zj]

how does it work??

[mcdub]

Sort of tap/helicoil.Threads into poo threads,then freewheels threads on from top threads.

And voila,amazing wat we can creat with tools.

[ronan_zj]

I am really wanna to see the pic that he put this on his crank.

[AgrAde]

you say fark too?

haha i thought i just made that up like 2 days ago.

you didn't make it up. here is evidence:
http://www.fark.com/

[toyota200x]

I love BT. Lets see your bike ANDY t with those truvativ cranks on it. Please.

[ACR]

I am not necessarily defending the echo name, but has anyone on here broken a Pure or Control or Team?

btw, i have been riding the first set of the Zoo isis cranks to come to america and they are still going strong after quite a long time. i have no clue how the new echo crank quality is though...
yeah, my team cracked 3x

[afrobot]

my zoo isis cranks have been fab! My tryalls crapped out in 3 minutes. Poor quality control. Middleburns are great aside fron those tiny schprokets.
TIME TO DANCE VIT ZEE MONKEY!!

[bash]

at first you need to make a new thread on the crank. Its diameter is less than the original and it fits the internal thread of that nice inserts. the external thread of the insert fits standart frewheel\cog